Tinnitus, TMJ, Headaches, Neck Pain, Facial Pain, etc. — Possible Treatment

Thats a great tip! I think I will make my own belt as it seems quite easy..

Going to be interesting to see if it will have any effect..

 

Hi all as this thread is about general aches and pains associated with the T I want to ask anyone if they experience what I do and if someone might have found a way of helping themselves ?

My T is primarily on my right side and currently is a soft jangling of chains type of noise but at times I get a pain mainly around the temple area on that side and then progresses across my forehead, I cannot describe this as a headache just a dull pain almost as if something is sitting on my head which I feel I need to take off but of course nothing is there, I am trying my hardest not to think about the noise and carry on life as best I can as the ultimate aim is to habituate but I find with this distraction of numbness it is harder to take my mind of the T.

Anyone else experience this at all ?

Thanks

 

Yeah i can relate to that feeling too, when tp's are being needled i also feel weird things in my ears, and my T does weird things too. It's a good sign though, proves those muscles are involved.

i also have random pains around the eyes after treatment, i'm also not sure how it's connected, but it all is apparently.

I also had physio today and i noticed the tension in the SCM is finally decreasing, accompanying facial pains and headaches have also been gone for a while now that i think of it . I did notice my levator scapulae was very painful and tense on one side, and the masseter is still tense too, i still have weird jaw pains above the tooth more or less, and weird ear pains/sensations, but it seems like the SCM did account for the headaches and other pains at least, as they're both decreasing.

 

That ear, eye and trapezius connection is weird indeed.. Also thanks for pointing out the levator scapulae, as it seems like this muscle is causing some trouble for me as well.. Im not quite sure what muscle it is, but I think it could be the levator scapulae that feels like it has been wounded.. And if I stretch it, I get a tingling feeling around my nose.. At least theres something wrong going on in my neck and shoulders.. I did some shoulder exercises today, and my left shoulder pops frequently as well, @Sjtof pointed this out too..

After I got the needles in trapezius, I continued to get nasty electrical buzzes and pain at the exact location of where the needles were inserted.. It has gone away now, but at least its doing something..

Going to get more needles tomorrow, hopefully it will work

Great to hear that your aches are getting better.. Mine is too, but after the needle treatment it was pretty bad for a while..

I think it could be a good idea to retrain the muscles around the shoulder area as well.. Especially at the back of the shoulders as I think they are somehow connected to your spine too.. Could probably do this by inverted flies..

 

Hi Freddie

Yeah, Ive had that too.. I think this thread sums up about every single detail everyone of us has experienced

I believe in my case its caused by tension and/or pinched nerves in my neck and/or shoulders..

 

Hello Erik, I have tinnitus 10 weeks now, not sure how I got, I saw on this site, that someone uses Melatonin, can you give me some info on this , and how can it help, answer much appreciated..Take care!

 

Any one got any other ideas of potential drugs we might be able to take to ease any pain. The ENT consultant that I saw said take paracetomol which I have been doing but does not seem to be doing a great deal, I wonder if a lot of this is mainly just down to stress and tension, it really is a mind game ?

 

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Im just alerting a few people that I think might find this information useful, and im curious if anyone has experienced the same

Have any of you tried to stretch your levator scapulae?

I did this yesterday, and a lot of stuff started to happen within only a few stretches..

This is what happened:

1. I got a pulsating T in my left ear (as if the blood flow went up a lot), and I could feel that something started to work the way it should around my entire head. The pulsating T went away pretty quick, but it felt like blood flowing to my ears and nerves..
2. It felt like something was literally dripping out of my ear and the fullness and pain went away for a little time (it actually felt like the fullness was dripping out of my ear).
3. My feet and arms started to tingle pretty bad.
4. My T went crazy, and sometimes it went away for a little while.
5. I got very weird pain around my face for a while
6. My entire head got very warm.
7. It felt like someone was slapping my ear from time to time, and the T fluctuated a lot when this happened.
8. My current T suddenly got pulsatile for a while as well
9. My heartbeats got a little arythmic for a while

This is what I did (one active stretch and one static stretch):

Levator Scapulae Static Stretch

Levator Scapulae Active Stretch

 

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Another interesting story I found.
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( Source: http://semj.sums.ac.ir/vol8/oct2007/headache.htm )

Assistant Professor, Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, Isfahan University of Medical Sciences, Isfahan, Iran.
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A 22 years old female student of architecture was referred to clinic of physical medicine with compliant of chronic headache. She described it as a constant, dull headache on both sides of head that continued all the day for the last 6 months. It was accompanied with nausea but there was no vomiting or blurred vision. The pain did not radiate to cervical

area or upper limbs. There was no paresthesia and numbness in extremities. She explained that her pain and nausea were suddenly relieved when she took supine position and reappeared with sitting and upright positions. Tinnitus in her right ear had been added to patient symptoms from 4 months ago. The patient had been visited by a neurologist 5 months ago for the first time and brain CT was requested for her. Since her scan was normal and symptoms did not respond to NSAIDs, Brain MRI was requested for her that was also normal. She had been treated with sodium valproate 400mg and propranolole 40mg daily with impression of migraine headache, but symptoms did not relieved. After that tinnitus had been added to patient symptoms she had been referred to ENT specialist and tympanomtry and speech audiometry had been done for her that was also normal and she was advised to refer to clinic of physical medicine.


When the patient was seen, in initial visual exam she was a 165cm tall, weigh 54 kg with forewarded head and neck posture. Her pain was rated 7.5 according to visual analoge scale (4), and the pain was so impaired her activities of daily living (5) that she stated she wished a day awakening with no headache. Her neurological exam demonstrated normal reflexes, sensory and motor exams. Spurling test, Adson test and lhermittes sign were all negative (6). In musculoskeletal

exam, cervical range of motion was limited in left lateral bending and rotation and a typical trigger point with tenderness to palpation were found in right upper trapezius muscle that provoked patient headache with deep palpation. There was referred pain to right occipital area when trigger point was palpated. The treatment was started with diagnosis of myofascial headache and she was treated with vapocoolant spray applied on trigger point and in direction of pain radiation. Concomitant stretching of right trapezius and levator scapula muscles were done during spray application. The patient was instructed to refer 3 times for the first week to continue treatment and stretching exercises were learned to her to continue at home. One week after, on the third visit her visual analoge scale level decreased to 1 and the patient had significant pain relief. Her nausea and tinnitus were disappeared completely and she became almost symptom free. She was then progressed to isometric strengthening of cervical and shoulder muscles exercises. Proper ergonomic positions were taught to her for computer and desk positions as well as stretching exercises to do during her work. She returned to clinic twice monthly for follow up and during four months of follow her headache, nausea and tinnitus did not recur.

 

^ this treatment is quite similar to the Finnish doctor who treats T patients with similar cold treatment + massage + trigger point injections. Have a look. This is also discussed here in another threads. I have visited this doctor once. Her thesis about this is also online (link in the another thread).

Trigger point injection treatment for...

 

Thats interesting!

I put some ice on the back of my neck yesterday, and I can say that it did have an effect, so it could be something to it..

Ill see if I can find this thread

 

Ice might not be enough. There's a specific reason for ultra cold therapy + instant trigger point / muscle palpation. I recommend you read her thesis. I read it on the train when I went to see her. Very informative!

http://tampub.uta.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/67059/951-44-4972-X.pdf?sequence=1

 

Thanks a lot! I will read through it!

 

What kind of doctor and what country is that where they are doing those trigger points injections? I'm hesitant to do them and nobody has offered them to me.

What kind of doctor and what country is that where they are doing those trigger points injections? I'm hesitant to do them and nobody has offered them to me.

 

Finnish = Finland

 

Not sure about drugs.. I would imagine it had to be something that was able to block the nerve firings..

Im just curious.. Do you have a tender spot between your shoulder blades at the area of the C5/C6 disks as well (or had it before the onset of T)? Or do you have any pain at the C0/C1 disks in your upper neck when turning your head around and such? Or any pain at all in your neck area?

 

Interesting, i never did that stretch before but i did now and it is indeed a good stretch. I stretched my levator scapulae for about half an hour now, and i also experienced some weird things, during the stretch, my T changed pitch a little bit, but on top of that i got a whooshing pulsatile T, in sync with my heartbeat, it stopped after a few mins, while i was still stretching, and also my arms and especially hands started to tingle very weirdly, also some things cracked inside my ear, i believe it is what you call someone that's slapping your ear, it feels like a slap, but it originates in the ear, and it makes a cracking sound like somethings opening up.
What's funny though, is that all those symptoms, but not all together, i've been experiencing them with SCM stretches and trapezius stretches/massaging too, so i'm wondering what the link is between them. One of those muscles is tensing the others, and they all together cause the symptoms apparently.

Also the levator scapulae on my worst T side was noticably more tense, i could stretch it almost to the same extent as the other side, but with double pain and double stiffness. Also my T dropped in loudness for some minutes after doing this stretch, i've had this before with SCM and trapezius and masseter stretching, but relief is always temporary.

Also for the last few days, i've had some weird sensations after my physio did some very aggresive massaging on my platysma muscle. I don't say it's related but it happened since then. The whooshing pulsatile T has been appearing regularly, in sync with my heartbeat, but peculiarly only when my heart is beating real slow, that's what i don't get, i would've suspected it the other way around. The other pulsatile T i'm experiencing from time to ttime (the morse code one, double as fast as my heart rate) has disappeared though, although i'm suspecting it just morphed into that whooshing one.
I also have weird tingling sensations radiating from the platysma muscle to my jaw and behind my ear, and by pressing the platysma, somewhere at the end of the lower jawbone, where it meets the SCM. i'm able to make the auricularis superior and posterior tingle and pull towards the platysma. Very weird, i'm able to do this everytime i press there, also the platysma is still sore from that treatment, i didn't even have a needle there, so it is a very tensed muscle.

Last but not least i just now noticed that when i as pushing and massagging that certain spot between the platysma and SCM, i was able to reduce the volume of the high pitch somatic T by 75%, but it creates a soft pure tone at about 4000-6000khz, now a few minutes after doing that, the pure tone has disappeared again, the somatic T is still less loud, and my auricularis muscles itch and tingle a bit. So it is definitely a sweet spot in my case. Don't know if that spot is working on the platysma or the SCM muscle or but, but its somewhere between the where the platysma connects to the lower jaw bone, and the sternal head of the SCM, just beneath the ear.

One more thing i want to mention is that i've always had this cracking sound in my ears when doing certain neck, jaw or shoulder movements, now lately that cracking sound is being accompanied by a weird sudden feeling in the ears, what probably is what you call the slapping in the ears. It feels like a slap, but it originates in the ear. I don't know which muscle is responsible though.

One last thing, http://thewellnessdigest.com/sterno...es-sinus-ears-throat-pain-dizziness-whiplash/

I found this site, don't know how credible it is and they don't mention tinnitus, but for the rest the symptoms sum up nicely, i also found the image of the pain areas connected to the SCM spot on, those are the spots where i would experience pains when doing situps or other random things. I have to add the auricularis superior area, but for the rest the image is correct for me.
It is interesting that they mention the chronic sore throat and dry cough, i had this for months before onset, i walked around with the idea i had a bronchitis or a pneumonia or such, but i didn't, my lungs are healthy. I also had this globus feeling pretty bad for a while around onset. It dissapeared ompletely together with the sore throath and dry cough. But the timing fitted perefectly, started months before onset, and disappeared after but around onset.
Any of you guys experienced this too?

One last thing i'm curious about, when i feel my clavicular head of the SCM, just before the point where it "converges" with the sternal head. On the worst T side, i have this "lump" of hard muscle tissue, like my clavicular head is very inflammated and swollen at that point, or something is pushing it out of it's normal location, i feel the muscle making a 45degree turn outside my neck, and then 45degree turn back to its normal location, so it forms a rounded triangle sort of speak. Some days i can visibly see it, i know i've had this for a long time, i really don't know why i didn't relate or mention this before. Now what's interesting about it, is tht it's only on the worst T side, and when i softly push it, i get instantly nauseated, if i continue pushing it at that i point, i get dizzy and my heart gets arrhytmic for a brief while. I don't know how abnormal this is, as it is normal for certain positions in the neck to trigger certain feelings, but i found this weird, and it only happens on one side. Any of you guys experience this?
Is it possible that a wrongly positioned vertebra or such is pushing the clavicular head out of it's ordinary position? It's either that or the musle is swollen very badly.

 

What a great post (as usual)!!

Im kind of baffled though.. Because what you write matches 100% with what I have.. Also the lump on my clavicular head of the SCM.. I actually have two of them, one small and one pretty big.. You can _almost_ see it..
If I stand in front of a mirror and flexes my SCM, I can see that the clavicular head on the left side that got those lumps are slightly under developed as well, compared to my right one that is somehow bigger and more developed. And its the left ear thats been worst..
If I press the biggest lump my T changes pretty quick.. It also happens somewhat if I press the smaller one.
And it all started on the left side.

It could be that something is pushing the clavicular head in a wrong position indeed, and thats what makes it look smaller in my case.. I dont know.. I also have that spot you are talking about far back on my platysma.. That being said, I feel that I have spots everywhere.. Even around my temple bone.. I just dont know what to make of all this.. Its like all my muscles are failing at some degree.. Some being worse than others.. I do believe that theres something central playing a big part in all this, and that it kind of got a domino effect on the muscles..

Also the chronic dry cough and sore throat you are talking about, I also had that for probably a year before all this started.. Together with a chronic stuffy nose, especially when I went to bed.. So I had to use nasal spray quite ofen.. But I also found that chronic dry cough to be pretty annoying as well.. And my family suspected it was allergy, even though all tests came back negative. Both blood tests and skin tests..

When I developed this cough, I was in a very good shape as well.. I was working out 5 - 6 days a week (had been doing this for about 10+ years), and symptoms started to appear.. I also had some slight nausea during that time.. So it could very well be related as we both have had it.. I also heard a guy here complaining about tinnitus for no apparent reason, and he had suffered from a chronic stuffy nose for very long before the onset..

I think that if the SCM is tight and tense, it will make a pull on the Auricularis posterior, and that in turn will make a direct pull on the auricularis superior, and probably the anterior as well, and probably more muscles will follow that pattern.. But I cant see how my SCM can cause this much damage alone.. I did a lot of xrays of my back and neck, and they are all fine.. No worn or torn disks as they could see..

Its also very interesting that you got the pulsatile T doing those stretches, as I got them as well.. And the slap feeling is inndeed a muscle inside the middle ear that starts to do something. Also I made myself a belt and strapped it around my shoulders and behind my back preventing me from pulling my shoulders forward.. Ive been using it all day, and earlier today I experienced something funny.. My E-tube on the right side opened permanently.. It was open all the time.. If I held for my nose and blew, there was no resistance, air was flowing freely and my hearing was somewhat dulled at that ear, but it closed up again after a while..

For me it seems like all the muscles in my face are tensed.. And it suddenly became very bad after I made a sudden neck movement (turning my head to the left very sudden). That set off the fullness in my ears too, but I had pain around my auricularis superior long before that.. It literally feels like the muscles in my middle ear are tensed as well.. Like very bad..
And I suspect that its the muscles inside the middle ear that is producing the T and all other weird symptoms regarding the ear. I just dont see how muscles are able to tense up so badly and not releasing the tension.. Its like there are nerves firing motoric impulses and telling them to tense up.. Also the nerves are sending random pain signals..

I have read that the arm and leg tingling is very common in whiplash, and a friend of mind got a minor whiplash and told the same story, but it all went away in a day or two.. He did have a whiplash some years before from a front to front car accident, and he told me that his neck hurt really bad for like a year or so..

But for us, it seems like something has been building up, and a sudden movement/strain made it all reach a boiling point..

Im just not sure if the SCM is able to cause all this.. But I did strain my SCM with that sudden neck movement, and the fullness came along a few hours or a day later..

But what should we do? Im considering a MRI of my neck, maybe contrast.

Also, what boggles me, when the chiro adjusted my neck, first time I got a very warm feeling in my left clavicular head of the SCM (bad side). Second time I got a cool feeling, and throbbing headaches.. When I think about it, it was actually the entire clavicular head that had some kind of a reaction.. Maybe there are some vital nerves located around that area? Like a part of the trigeminal nerve or facial nerve.. I havent looked it up, but I think at least that the trigeminal nerve has a small branch slightly down the neck..

I will put some anti-inflammatoric gel on my SCM. But something is absolutely not right in that area..

I also remember that I got this T in my left ear in the past.. Only very temporarily, and I only got it when I was walking or working outside during winter and cold weather.. And it always went away when I came inside.. So I didnt pay much attention to it..

But yeah.. Our stories are pretty much identical.. I believe its been going on for a very long time.. I also experience somewhat of minor muscle spasms in my neck from time to time.. Its like my body is trying to snap a muscle or a nerve into place.. Kinda hard to describe.. Maybe the muscle is lacking blood supply.. But theres something going on there..

It tingles in my nose now and then as well.. And it almost makes me sneeze.. This cant be good ^^

I have to admit that I didnt care much about pain and such in the past, but after I had this sudden neck movement its been crazy..

 

@chronicburn

The spot you are talking about located next to the SCM under the ear, if I press it, it feels like the blood supply is shutting off or something.. And I can feel a lot of what I would call discomfort.. It also triggers some weird tooth ache in my upper jaw if I press it for a little while.. And my T changes from a more constant noise to something that could remind of an electrical buzz.. The moment I release, I get some kind of a vacum feeling there for a few secs.. Either caused by blood flow or nerves fire I would guess..

Hmm..

 

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I found some more information regarding the SCM.

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( Source: http://www.round-earth.com/SCM.html )

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Sternocleidomastoid

Gr. sternon, breastbone + kleid-, collarbone + mastoeidês, breast-shaped

Sternal Division (left): Head pain, "sinus" pain, visual disturbances, “sore throat,” difficulty swallowing, dry cough.

Clavicular Division (right): Autonomic and proprioceptive disturbances; frontal "sinus" headache, ear pain, nausea, dizziness and car-sickness; reversible tinnitus/deafness.

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What It Is and What It Does

Sternocleidomastoid (SCM) is the big ropey muscle that runs from the mastoid process (the rounded bump behind your ear) to the joint between collarbones and sternum at the base of your throat. This paired muscle pulls the head forward and down, and acts as a checkrein to prevent the head from falling backward. Both of these actions are involved in rolling where you must tuck the head for safety.

What Goes Wrong

When the SCM is strained or shortened the muscle itself rarely hurts, no matter how stiff or tight it may be. Problems are referred elsewhere, to head and neck, ears, eyes, nose and throat. The astonishing laundry-list of pain and dysfunction includes severe dizziness and other neurological symptoms. These may be mistakenly diagnosed as migraine, sinus headache, atypical facial neuralgia, trigeminal neuralgia, arthritis of the sternoclavicular joint, ataxia, multiple sclerosis (MS), brain lesions, tumors, and other frightening conditions. As always, these possibilities should be eliminated through differential diagnosis. However, because of its intimate relationship with the brain stem and several nerves including the vagus nerve, the SCM can produce many neurological disturbances all on its own. One is a condition known as “postural dizziness” —- just walking around feeling dizzy and disoriented -— perhaps with a frontal headache commonly interpreted as “sinus” pain.

A common complaint in beginning Aikido or Judo is dizziness and nausea while rolling. This may be due to disorienting unfamiliar movements. It may also be due to a tight SCM, possibly strained long before arriving at the dojo by poor posture, chest breathing, or car accidents.
At the dojo SCM is commonly strained by locks and pins and in rolling. SCM is critical for tucking the head which may be overdone by beginners. (Holding the head in the same position at the office will produce a nasty "word processor" headache.) More advanced students may suffer as well; when taking throws from beginners they often fling the head back then forward into a side-tucked position. This motion provides the energy and inertia needed for safety in the coming fall but it can also strain the SCM, a sort of self-induced whiplash injury. Avoid the fling, and learn to treat the injury.

Testing and Treating

The SCM is easily tested simply by grasping the body of the muscle. Be sure to grasp the muscle, not just the skin. In healthy athletic persons, this muscle will be much larger and deeper than you think. In some it will be rock hard, unbelievably tight and therefore easy for a novice to confuse with the more flexible overlying skin. A tense muscle subjected to a firm but gentle squeeze will be painful, and may produce the referred pain pattern. A relaxed SCM will perceive the squeeze as pressure, but will not be painful. To treat,
Look for a tender spot at the mastoid process, the bump behind the ear. Apply gentle pressure until perception of “pain” or “tenderness” decreases to “pressure” only.

Repeat down the muscle until you reach the point where you can actually grasp the muscle between thumb and index finger. Using thumb and the side of finger as shown, grasp muscle and squeeze gently.

Continue working downward to the sternum, feeling around the inside of the notch for tender points.

Note that the clavicular division of the muscle extends out to the medial third of the collarbone. Look for tender spots there as well.

Stretch gently to return muscle to its proper resting length. Use passive stretch, that is, move your head with your hand; don't try to stretch the muscle by tightening its partner on the other side. To stretch,
Sternal division: Turn the head fully to side of the muscle to be stretched, tipping chin downward towards the shoulder. (This may seem backwards, but it increases the distance between sternum and mastoid process.) Hold for just a few seconds and return to neutral position.
Clavicular division: Turn head to side opposite the muscle being treated and raise the chin.

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Details
Attachments: Sternal Division: Lateral surface of mastoid process / front of manubrium

Clavicular Division: Lateral surface of mastoid process / upper border of the front of clavicle.
Action: Flexes neck and head forward, bringing chin to chest. Flexes neck sideways, bringing ear to shoulder. Stabilizes head (as a “check-rein) when tilting chin upward, or during talking and chewing. Assists in swallowing.

As an accessory muscle of respiration, SCM lifts upper ribs in breathing when neck is erect or hyper-extended (not when head is bowed).
Entrapments: May entrap spinal accessory nerve (cranial nerve XI) en route to trapezius causing weakness in trapezius or torticollis of muscular origin. SCM motor fibers often originate as part of the vagus nerve.
Symptoms: Sternal Division. Pain referred upward to cheek and sinuses, occiput, eye (orbicularis), top of head; pain referred downward to sternum. Tearing of eye, visual disturbances when viewing parallel lines. Chronic “sore throat” when swallowing, possibly with a chronic dry cough.

Clavicular Division: Pain referred bilaterally across forehead; frontal sinus-like headache, ear ache, nausea, dizziness, car-sickness, faulty weight perception of held objects, and hearing loss (reversible).
Strained by: Whiplash injuries, structural faults (short leg or small hemi-pelvis), overhead painting, carpentry, wallpapering; horseback riding, front-row movie seats, coughing, chest breathing, working for long-periods with head turned to one side (“word-processor headache”). It is also irritated / compressed by tight collar or tie.

 

What boggles me though, is that it says: SCM motor fibers often originate as part of the vagus nerve.

I remember this Susan Shore (not sure what her name was) but she did a lot of research about somatic tinnitus, and her team found that individuals with somatic T, the timing of the vagus nerve was off. I think there is a patent pending for a VNS device thought to treat this kind of T. And from what I read, she said that it looked like the vagus nerve was responsible for cancelling out the ringing.

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This is not related to the above, but I also found a condition called Carotidynia, which is a vascular change in the carotid artery in the neck and produces very much the same symptoms. Just though I should mention it.

I dont think this is the case with me though, but it might be interesting for someone else, as I have never heard any doctor telling me about this. Also, it seems like Carotidynia usually is unilateral.

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Have not read entirely but maybe interesting, useful or something...
http://tampub.uta.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/67059/951-44-4972-X.pdf?sequence=1

 

I've been through all the reading on SCM and trigger points. There are some massage therapists who really know them, but a lot claim to and don't. I may do upper cervical or try another trigger point massage therapist. I am also trying another tmj expert amd getting more Lyme disease testing. I'm also planning to see another "Lyme disease doctor ", but may cancel that as I'm skeptical.

I finished unvisalign orthodontics around the time the neck tension started, but it could have been coincidence, a partial factor as part of something else.

There is no way I'm interested in some implanted device.

I suggest the c6 test for Lyme disease though, but lyme is confusing and I have studied it a lot.

 

Thanks Ive read through it as well

 

For those who experience multiple or other types of T, does anyone think the buzzing type sound is more stress and muscle tension related?

 

I think its possible that a solid tone and a buzz can originate in the middle ear due to dysfunction of the nerves that is innervating the muscles in the middle ear.. For example those controlling the acoustic reflex..

Also I think it can originate from the inner ear or brain as well. It could be something to the DCN theory too.

I believe the eardrum alone also is capable of producing T, if its inflamed, perforated etc..

At least thats what I think..

 

What kind of anti inflammatory meds have you guys tried? My jaw problem have flared up a bit after a lot of running on tarmac during the last weeks, not the smartest thing to do i guess

 

Yesterday I got pretty tired of this weird stuff going on, so I put on a lot of anti-inflammatoric gel on my neck and jaw bone and temple bone area.
It was a gel that contained 2.5% ketoprofen (not sure about the english name of it). That took a lot of that weird nerve pain away. So it could very well be due to inflammation as well. My T is still there though, just pretty low at the moment..

 

Thanks Cart! Always nice to have you scientist guys around. I have tried gel but i don´t think it´s enough to penetrate the muscles around the jaw. Have you tried diclofenac?

 

lol I havent tried any anti-inflammatoric remedies except this gel, and if this one works Im sure systemic treatment would be even more effective.

I stumbled upon a guy yesterday that claimed to have the exact same thing, and he got rid of it by using inti-inflammatoric enzymes (whatever that is) and 1Mhz ultrasound on his jaw and neck. (not sure how legit this information was, as it was found in a random forum).

I read a little about ultrasound yesterday (not much though), but it seems to be able to penetrate pretty deep into the tissue, a few cm actually. I also talked to a girl that said ultrasound always took care of her inflammations in the past, and this is a friend of mine, so I think what she says is legit.

Anyways, I ordered one of those 1Mhz ultrasound machines off from ebay for $20, and I will give it a try just for fun, with no expectations at all.

I also found an adjustable posture support for $2 that I ordered.

Ill let you know if it does something.