Clonazepam Withdrawal

[TracyJS]

Hi, looking for some advice. I have talked about this before on the forum.

I took Clonazepam .5mg to 1mg 6-7 times over 3 weeks and then took it continuously either .5 or 1mg for one week.

I've been tapering now for about 5 weeks. I started the taper at .75 since it was in between dose.
I'm now down to .25 a day.

I'm not sure if I'm doing this right. I don't have help from my psychiatrist since he suggested a much more rapid taper.

I am noticing an increase in my anxiety and a high pitch to tinnitus and perhaps an increase in hyperacusis.

I'm also feeling much more depressed and having dark thoughts.

How much longer should I taper?
Should I be tapering longer than I took the med?

 

[Michael Leigh]

How much longer should I taper?
Should I be tapering longer than I took the med?

HI @Tracy,

If it is possible, I think you should have a word with your primary care doctor/GP about you feeling depressed and dark thought. The doctor should then be able to advise you, whether to come off the clonazepam a little sooner and perhaps, give advice on how to treat your low mood so you don't feel so depressed.

All the best
Michael

 

[TracyJS]

Thanks, Michael.
I don't think my primary doctor will be very helpful, unfortunately. Since she didn't prescribe the medication, she would refer me to the psychiatrist who did, whom I can't afford to see anymore.

I would have to see another psychiatrist.

 

[fishbone]

I was stuck(due to a mis-diagnosis) on 4mg of harsh benzos for 3+ months and then tapered for over a year to get off. The HELL i went through while on that stuff and tapering was beyond unreal.

Tapering slow is the key, but do understand that while on the drugs, while you taper and even off the drugs your body/mind can be affected. After you are off, it will take time for things to adjust.

My tinnitus got worst due to this mess and it is what it is. I am not saying, yours will be the same (your situation).

 

[TracyJS]

@fishbone
You were only on benzo's for 3 months and you tapered a year?

 

[fishbone]

@fishbone
You were only on benzo's for 3 months and you tapered a year?

4mg of benzos is no joke. You cannot rapid taper on that, it's dangerous or it can be....

I am not advising you on a taper plan, i share what i had to go through to get off that mess......

 

[Jiri]

Since she didn't prescribe the medication, she would refer me to the psychiatrist who did, whom I can't afford to see anymore.

I'd advise you to consult your situation with a clinical pharmacist (docs ask them frequently about drugs interactions, dosings etc. → the real pros when it comes to drugs) or another experienced pharmacist.

I'm in a clonazepam w/d myself - it's no joke, and this is what I did.

 

[TracyJS]

@Jiri
I don't even know where I would find a clinical pharmacist or an experienced pharmacist. I have no idea.

 

[emmalee]

@Jiri
I don't even know where I would find a clinical pharmacist or an experienced pharmacist. I have no idea.

Tracy...

Clinical pharmacists interact, coordinate, and work directly with physicians, other health professionals, and patients to ensure that the medications prescribed for patients contribute to the best possible health outcomes. Clinical pharmacists practice in many different health care environments: hospitals and their affiliated outpatient clinics, emergency departments, community pharmacies, physicians' offices, community-based clinics, nursing homes, and managed care organizations.

 

[Jiri]

@TracyJS
Clinical pharmacists where I live work in hospitals. Here they hold the title PharmDr. (Pharm.D). Pharmaciae Doctor

I don't know what's the situation like in the U.S. but if you're lucky you could run into one in a better pharmacy too.

 

[TracyJS]

@emmalee @Jiri
Still not sure how I could contact one.
I don't think I can just phone the hospital and ask for a clinical pharmacist.

 

[emmalee]

@emmalee @Jiri
Still not sure how I could contact one.
I don't think I can just phone the hospital and ask for a clinical pharmacist.

Where do you get your prescriptions filled, Tracy? Perhaps you could start there. Ask the pharmacist how to go about finding one. It is a starting point.

Edited to add...

I would call the hospital and ask, it is a very good question and I am sure they would be willing to help.

 

[Jiri]

I don't think I can just phone the hospital and ask for a clinical pharmacist.

That's exactly what I did. They usually have their own department in the hosp. I google searched one, phoned the lady explaining to her my situation and then made an appointment.

 

[TracyJS]

That's exactly what I did. They usually have their own department in the hosp. I google searched one, phoned the lady explaining to her my situation and then made an appointment.

You made an appointment? It probably costs money here to do that.

 

[TracyJS]

@Jiri
I know you are not an expert, but does the tapering I've been doing based on time taking the medication sound reasonable?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@TracyJS There is no rule for certain individuals on length of time for what may be an extended withdrawal period. Withdrawal charts don't include all with certain conditions. Dr. Nagler has said that those with tinnitus may need to double withdrawal charting time.

 

[TracyJS]

@TracyJS There is no rule for certain individuals on length of time for what may be an extended withdrawal period. Withdrawal charts don't include all with certain conditions. Dr. Nagler has said that those with tinnitus may need to double withdrawal charting time.

But what dose doubling look like?
My doctor would have had me taper in a few weeks.
I've been going down 10 percent roughly each week/week in a half.
I was only on the medication continually for one week and before that took it 6-7 times over three weeks. So no longer than a month and between either .5 or 1mg when taken.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@TracyJS within this link click on sample schedules.

http://www.benzosupport.org/the_schedules.htm

 

[TracyJS]

@TracyJS within this link click on sample schedules.

http://www.benzosupport.org/the_schedules.htm

Um, that looks too complicated for me. And I've been just cutting the pills down. I've already been tapering for about 5 weeks.
I'm not sure I could figure out how to do it.
And I don't have an unlimited supply of Clonazepam. I can't see the psychiatrist who prescribed it anymore.

 

[Jiri]

You made an appointment? It probably costs money here to do that.

Probably so. Tho, just like @emmalee said, go first to a normal pharmacy and try to get some more info. If they're not willing to help (which they should be, especially if you're in a w/d from a tranquilizer), then go to a different one.

It is a good starting point. You could also very well try finding one online, and then directly call the person.

Keep in mind, you want to talk to someone who's an experienced pharmacist (not a pharm. trainee e.g.).

I know you are not an expert, but does the tapering I've been doing based on time taking the medication sound reasonable?

I say I'm no expert because without a medical qualification I don't feel ok giving clinical advice. Therefore, I can only offer you my opinion.

You have been on the benzo for a short period of time and in the beginning you weren't even taking it continuously + then you started tapering. Now you're on 0.25 mg/a day you say. That's the lowest dose possible here.

You know what Prof. Ashton said? You can take benzos continuously for 2 - 4 weeks max., so you're ok. It looks reasonable to me. If you've been on 0.25 mg/a day for say 2 weeks now you could just stop and then see how you feel.

I started on 6 mg of Clonazepam a day the first month and am still w/ding bec my idiotic, unprofessional psych. didn't make me withdraw from the drug properly when the time was right.

Still, my advice to you is to consult this with a clinical pharmacist or another good pharmacist (Pharm.D).

 

[TracyJS]

Probably so. Tho, just like @emmalee said, go first to a normal pharmacy and try to get some more info. If they're not willing to help (which they should be, especially if you're in a w/d from a tranquilizer), then go to a different one.

It is a good starting point. You could also very well try finding one online, and then directly call the person.

Keep in mind, you want to talk to someone who's an experienced pharmacist (not a pharm. trainee e.g.).

I say I'm no expert because without a medical qualification I don't feel ok giving a clinical advice. Therefore, I can only offer you my opinion.

You have been on the benzo for a short period of time and in the beginning you weren't even taking it continuously + then you started tapering. Now you're on 0.25 mg/a day you say. That's the lowest dose possible here.

You know what Prof. Ashton said? You can take benzos continuously for 2 - 4 weeks max., so you're ok. It looks reasonable to me. If you've been on 0.25 mg/a day for say 2 weeks you could just stop and then see how you feel.

I started on 6 mg of Clonazepam a day the first month and am still w/ding bec my idiotic, unprofessional psych. didn't make me withdraw from the drug properly when the time was right.

Still, my advice to you is to consult this with a clinical pharmacist or another good pharmacist (Pharm.D).

I actually have only gotten down to .25 mg the last few days. Was going to stay on that a few more days and then reduce from there for a few more days or so.

 

[Jiri]

I actually have only gotten down to .25 mg the last few days. Was going to stay on that a few more days and then reduce from there for a few more days or so.

I think you'll be fine. Still, go and consult this with a medical pro. Better safe than sorry. In my country you cannot be on these drugs without a supervision. Can't find a M.D.? Pharmacist it is.

Also, check this out: http://www.benzobuddies.org/forum/index.php?topic=9522.0

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@TracyJS I agree with Jiri, but I had to taper down when I got to the 0.25 level for a few additional days. Everyone is different so even a Pharm.D. may not know how you will react. Do what your body and mind wants since you are having some anxiety with hyperacusis. That may mean a few extra days of tapering down from 0.25.

 

[grate_biff]

I started on 6 mg of Clonazepam a day the first month

Craziest thing I ever heard!

 

[Jiri]

Craziest thing I ever heard!

Tell me about it. If only I knew back then what I know now... then followed the cuts: - 2.5 mg the next month to 3.5 mg/day for 2 & 1/2 months, and then again - 1.5 mg to 2 mg/day. Literally from one day to another, just like that.

I was spinning like a fidget spinner in my bed and the pain + tinnitus... oh well, still withdrawing. Now I'm down to 1.5 mg/day and tapering sensibly, finally.

The craziest part is that my (ex)psychiatrist made me withdraw from some other psych. drugs simultaneously. No taper plan, nothing. Trial and error. Think she got her medical degree at McDonald's..

 

[grate_biff]

Think she got her medical degree at McDonald's.

Seems like it.
But how on earth could you tolerate going straight at that dose? You must have felt pretty funny in your head, I would think? Since it have a pretty long half life as well, I guess you took it through out the day, not bc you needed to, but bc you was told to?
Either way, there are no experts when it comes to these drugs. Every health professional seems pretty clueless if you ask me. When withdrawal hits us, we are left alone and only have others in the same situation to hold on to. Experts? No such thing!!
I´m in my 6th year of withdrawal, but was on that shit for 20 years. (15-50 mg Oxazepam 2-3 times a week) Plus alcohol and Mirtazapine fucked it all up along the way!

 

[fishbone]

There is no exact science when it comes to tapering. Detox programs are a tad bit better than cold turkey. A slow taper is a good way to approach this mess. I was feeling every side effect known to mankind while on the benzos, tapering and off it. It takes some time for the body and mind to heal. Slow is always better, again there is no exact science on tapering. One of the biggest issues i faced while on, tapering and off the benzos was numbness in my limbs.

I recall when I beat my addiction and was on the road to recovery. I was driving on the highway one night doing 73 mph and i was in the middle lane. All of a sudden all my limbs went numb and i couldn't feel my hands and feet. I had cars on both sides of me. I was numb for 2-3 minutes and somehow i managed to not crash my car and get killed. I kept it cool and did not panic when my limbs went numb, this was SO CRUCIAL to me surviving...

Benzos will affect people in different ways. My stories might not be your stories, but if you truly want to be off these horrible pills, then do a slow taper. Even slow tapers are not 100% guaranteed with the post withdrawals, but its a much better chance than a rapid taper or detox

PS- I have been through so much hell in my life that I can come here and share my wisdom and help people possibly avoid my misfortunes

Bless all.....

 

[Luman]

I was stuck(due to a mis-diagnosis) on 4mg of harsh benzos for 3+ months and then tapered for over a year to get off. The HELL i went through while on that stuff and tapering was beyond unreal.

Tapering slow is the key, but do understand that while on the drugs, while you taper and even off the drugs your body/mind can be affected. After you are off, it will take time for things to adjust.

My tinnitus got worst due to this mess and it is what it is. I am not saying, yours will be the same (your situation).

If you don't mind, I'd like to ask which benzo you were on. I took a total of only 17 mg's of clonazepam, in .5 mg doses, over a relatively short time during the last couple of months of 2017. I did not believe that needed to taper, as I had only used the drug 32 times. My big mistake was when I went cold turkey in December, which I'm still suffering from today, five months later. My very difficult withdrawal was probably exacerbated due to my having taken Xanax a few times a week from 2004-2009.

 

[Jiri]

Yes, I heard about detox centres in the U.S. You could be on benzos for years and they'd make you come off them within a week. Suicide.

I'm sorry to hear about your near death experience and the torture you have gone through yourself. You are correct in that there are no strict guidelines or consesus on how to get off these drugs safely, since everybody is different.

That is why I decided to set up this thread: Psychopharmaceuticals to raise awareness of psych. drugs. Now, after my own bad experience I recommend to double-check with a clinical pharmacist (Pharm.D) that may well collaborate with your psychiatrist on your treatment. 'The Ashton Manual' explains benzos pretty well.

 

[TracyJS]

Yes, I heard about detox centres in the U.S. You could be on benzos for years and they'd make you come off them within a week. Suicide.

I'm sorry to hear about your near death experience and the torture you have gone through yourself. You are correct in that there are no strict guidelines or consesus on how to get off these drugs safely, since everybody is different.

That is why I decided to set up this thread: Psychopharmaceuticals to raise awareness of psych. drugs. Now, after my own bad experience I recommend to double-check with a clinical pharmacist (Pharm.D) that may well collaborate with your psychiatrist on your treatment. 'The Ashton Manual' explains benzos pretty well.

Are you doing a dry taper or a liquid taper?
Have you noticed any worsening of T and H?
Not sure I'm glad my to be able to consult with a clinical pharmacist.