Computers & Tinnitus Part 2

Discussion in 'Support' started by Michael Leigh, Dec 16, 2015.

    1. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      Computers and Tinnitus

      I recently wrote a post titled: Computers and Tinnitus. For those that would like to read it please click on the link.

      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/computers-and-tinnitus.12059/.

      It is quite understandable that some people will have doubts as to whether tinnitus can be made worse by computer use. I hasten to add, not everyone with tinnitus will be affected by near-field computer use but I know I am. It is for this reason, I have placed my laptop in another room and use a wireless keyboard, mouse and monitor in another. I also have a desktop tower in another part of my home and this is placed in a cupboard, and use wireless mouse etc with that.

      Below is a message from a gentleman from another forum, which was written 4 years ago. He was having a lot of trouble with his tinnitus. I suggested that he move his computer into another room and use a wireless keyboard, mouse and monitor. He thought this a little drastic; so I suggested he reduce his computer use and see what happens. Approximately 3 weeks later he posted this message. He was in his 70s at the time. I have left his message intact so please excuse the typos.

      Around the same time, I found a website that listed scientific reports about the effects a computer can have on tinnitus. The website is no longer active but I have a copy of the report, please find it below.

      Big Improvement, by Paul Murphy.
      Thanks to a member on here! ..... but I can't remember who he is :(
      Someone on here said tinittus could be made worse by computer use ..... so I've reduced my time on computers and my tinnitus has almost gone.
      ..... so whoever you are ...... A big thankyou from me



      http://www.eurotinnitus.com/tinnitus.php?lang=en&id=9983.inc
      Scientific reports

      Tinnitus may be influenced by sensitivity to electromagnetic radiation (EMR).
      Most tinnitus comes from damage to the microscopic endings of the hearing nerve in the inner ear.

      If you are older, advancing age is generally accompanied by a certain amount of hearing nerve impairment and tinnitus. If you are younger, exposure to loud noise is probably the leading cause of tinnitus, and often damages hearing as well. There are many causes for "subjective tinnitus," the noise only you can hear. Some causes are not serious (a small plug of wax in the ear canal might cause temporary tinnitus). Tinnitus can also be a symptom of stiffening of the middle ear bones (otosclerosis).

      Tinnitus may also be caused by allergy, high or low blood pressure (blood circulation problems), a tumor, diabetes, thyroid problems, injury to the head or neck, and a variety of other causes including medications such as anti-inflammatories, antibiotics, sedatives, antidepressants, and aspirin. If you take aspirin and your ears ring, talk to your doctor about dosage in relation to your size. One measure worth considering is avoidance of electromagnetic radiation (EMR)

      All electrical devices generate EMR, including computer terminals, cellular phones and microwave ovens, which can be a primary cause of hearing problems including Tinnitus. A leading Swedish scientist, Professor Mild who is on the European Commission panel of experts investigating mobile phones, confirms frequent reports of similar conditions, as does Dr Bruce Hocking, former Chief Medical Officer for Telstra, the Australian

      Telecommunications Company. In May 1997, Dr Hocking reported that people complained of developing a burning dull feeling on the side of the head where they have been using their mobile phone. It tends to come on several minutes after they made their call and may last for hours. Associated with this they may get feelings of nausea, disturbances in their vision and at times other neurological symptoms." People who spent long periods in front of computer screens often also report these symptoms.

      Today we are exposed to 100 million times more electromagnetic radiation than people 70 years ago. EMR fields have a disruptive effect on the natural energy levels of your body and cause changes in the function of cells, tissues and organs. The reason for this is that all our cells are sensitive to EMR. Some EMR microwaves operate at a frequency that could interfere with the human body\'s own electrical chemical functions and disrupt them in the same way a TV or radio signal can be interfered with.

      The result is that the body malfunctions and becomes out of balance. Without balance, we have health problems. All cell functions, including immune defense, are blocked; but above all - and this is the most important thing - the repair capacity of the cell, the ability to restore order to genetic damage is blocked. In other words, our own electromagnetic frequencies essential to our health, the repair, reproduction and replication of DNA can be altered by oscillations from outside sources of energy such as electromagnetic and electrical radiation.

      Exposure to low level electromagnetic fields has been associated with a reduction in the production of the hormone melatonin. A powerful antioxidant and part of the human immune system, melatonin is produced by the pineal gland (located in the brain) at night, explaining why it is so important to avoid exposure to EMF\'s while sleeping. At night the body cleans repairs and detoxifies itself. If it is exposed to electromagnetic stress at this time, in fact any stress, then our bodies produce water clustering which inhibits the cell\'s natural detoxifying and repairing actions and intra and extra cellular activity (e.g. electrolyte exchange).

      In 1994 cellphone interference with hearing aids was finally accepted as a fact in Australia, then in the UK and finally in the US in 1996. This is despite thousands of hearing aid wearers reporting over many years before then that GSM and US IS-54 cellphones were causing interference problems.

      Use of a proven EMR protection device such as a RayMaster is recommended as it restores the body to a balanced state within hours. This will help your body restore itself to good health and more effectively deal with problems like tinnitus.


      When I use my laptop in the conventional way something within it makes my tinnitus worse. Whether it’s EMF (electro magnetic field) that it emits or the noise from the internal hard drive spinning at 720rpm I’m not exactly sure. I have 2 laptops and they both make my tinnitus worse. Not immediately, but after about 30minutes my tinnitus starts to increase and the next day it gets louder. If I still use it by the third day my tinnitus is unbearable!

      I have a tablet computer but haven’t noticed it made my tinnitus worse. It could be that it uses a solid state internal hard drive and therefore doesn’t emit a noise which can irritate my ears. Each time that I use it It’s usually just for one hour.

      The above posts are just for information and left to the individual to make up their own mind. I won’t be answering any questions regarding scientific evidence or proof, because I have none.

      Michael
       
    2. Andersson
      Worried

      Andersson Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2012
      Never noticed anything regarding my T with electronics. Can sit 10+ hours without noticing anything.

      My computer is very quite however. Low rpm fans, no cool whine problems and sound dampened case.
      I also have speakers, hifi receiver etc on my desk.
      And I got 14 5400-7200 rpm HDD in my case :) Cannot hear them even when they are working though.

      Bad posture can make T worse when you sit at a desk or laptop etc though which most people have.
      My T got worse from just that. But got better with physical therapist and neck lower back exercises.

      I can understand it to some extent. I been at computera with coil whine or other high pitched noise. And that can make me tired and make t worse in return.

      But if you have good components and no coilwhine or other high pitched sounds from fans etc I cannot see it making it worse.
       
    3. Roger_S
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      Roger_S Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fell asleep with the headphones on.
    4. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      It could be the fan or the internal hard drive but I'm not sure. My laptop makes very little noise and if I use it for 30mins or longer my tinnitus increases or gets a lot louder the next day. I have my computer in another room now I don't go near them. However, I use a Tablet PC not all day and don't have any problem with it. I have thought about the fan or the sound of the hard drive but as I say I'm not sure.
      Michael
       
    5. Roger_S
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      Roger_S Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fell asleep with the headphones on.
      I have problems of my tinnitus getting louder at the pc I'm typing at right now. I have an almost silent PC, still do, but its bit louder because the power supply fan broke down and this one's louder. I'm thinking of using my other mini-PC that's completely silent but a lot less powerful. It's initial purpose is gone and buying a better silent PC is kind of useless? There's a new generation coming in a few months so I was waiting for that before going completely silent, but I'm not going to wait today. I want to know if it's the fan noise that causes my T to spike.
       
    6. Alvise

      Alvise Member

      Location:
      Mirano (VE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown. Stress +26 years old acustic trauma maybe.... ???!
    7. Roger_S
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      Roger_S Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fell asleep with the headphones on.
      Did away with the fan. I get the feeling even without the fan I get a spike, but not sure.

      @Michael Leigh

      What is a RayMaster?

      And if EMR spikes T, then does Aluminum foil protect us from T?
      I'm already wearing an alu-hat right now just in case. I'm not even kidding.
       
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    8. AUTHOR
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      Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      Hi Roger,

      Some people with tinnitus are affected by "near field" computer use as I am. Therefore, I now have my computer in another room and have no problems with it increasing my tinnitus. Please read the post below. I don't know what "RayMaster" is.

      All the best
      Michael

      Computers and tinnitus

      This topic has caused much discussion on tinnitus forums whenever it is mentioned. Some people refuse to believe that using a computer can make tinnitus worse, while others are more open minded about the issue. Then there are those that agree with me that using a computer can make tinnitus worse for some people, due to the EMF (electro magnetic field) that all computers emit.

      I believe it would help if I explain the way near field computer use affects me, and the steps I’ve taken to reduce my exposure to computer EMF. IF anyone decides to try my suggestions their life might become a little easier.

      In 2008 my tinnitus became increasingly worse for reasons I’m not quite sure, as I’m usually careful about being around loud sounds. One evening I was listening to a favourite symphony on my HI-FI and enjoying quite a lot turned the volume up but didn’t notice any adverse effects. It wasn’t until the next day that I noticed my tinnitus begin to increase. This continued over the next two weeks and times it was excruciating. I needed help, as there were no signs of it reducing to its previous levels.

      After various tests at ENT I was referred to a Hearing Therapist and began TRT for the second time in eleven years. I didn’t know at the time that my tinnitus would change so dramatically and affect my life for nearly five years. For two years I was unable to read a book and using a computer was a definite no. Every time I tried within a few minutes my tinnitus increased to unbearable levels that would last for days.

      At the time I knew nothing about the effects of EMF from computers but was convinced it was causing my tinnitus to increase every time I used it. I spoke with two electronic engineers that also have tinnitus and told them about my problem. They mentioned some people with tinnitus are sensitive to EMF that a computer emits. I was advised to move my PC into another room and use a: wireless keyboard, mouse and external monitor. I was prepared to try anything so bought the relevant cables, wireless keyboard and used a TV as a monitor.

      The advice that I’d been given worked for I was able to use my computer without my tinnitus becoming louder. Six years on, the computer base unit is still in another room and I use a wireless keyboard, mouse and external monitor. I also have a laptop. On many occasions, I have tried using it in the conventional way to make sure my symptoms were not psychosomatic. Each time my tinnitus becomes worse within an hour or two. I have persisted and the tinnitus reaches such unbearably levels I have to switch it off. I have passed on my experience to others that were having difficulty with their tinnitus and also use a computer. Some people have noticed an improvement after trying my suggestion, or reducing the time they’re at the computer.

      When I saw my hearing therapist in clinic, I told her what I’d done with my PC, and explained the effects of computers and EMF. That it can make tinnitus worse for some people. I was informed no other patients had mentioned it. I didn’t pursue the matter any further and let it rest. Around four weeks later I returned to clinic as part of my TRT treatment. It was then explained to me that a few of her patients had talked about noticing an increase in their tinnitus whenever using the computer.

      Michael
       
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    9. Roger_S
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      Roger_S Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fell asleep with the headphones on.
      @Michael Leigh

      Can't you find out what a Raymaster is? It's in the Science report article you posted.

      I tested various things. Here are my results:

      It's not the fan that spikes my T but EMR.
      Aluminum does not protect.

      What triggers spikes for me:

      phone
      computer
      tv
      satellite computer in car that I cannot turn off.

      :(
       
    10. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996

      I am definitely sensitive to "near field" computer use and that's why my PC base unit is in another room. It sounds like you have hyperacusis? If you haven't had this treated, one of the best ways is wearing white noise generators. You would have to be under the care of an Audiologist or Hearing Therapist and also to be having counselling. However, you could try a few things to help yourself. Please click on the link below and read my post.

      All the best
      Michael

      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/hyperacusis-as-i-see-it.19174/
       
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    11. Roger_S
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      Roger_S Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fell asleep with the headphones on.
      My appointment with my ENT is in Octobre. No idea why they think it's necessary to wait that long.

      Hyperacusis from tv, phone, computer, alarm clock?
      Are my ears even equipped to detect such frequencies?
      It's not that they make loud noises. All I have to do is turn it on and voila, the spije increases.

      I've been afraid of sounds the first few days, but that was only because I thought my ears needed rest and thus no sound.

      There was maybe some hyperacusis. At the very least I noticed hearing loss last week but that seems to be mostly gone.
       
    12. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      @Roger_S

      Please click on my "started threads" and read my article: Tinnitus, A Personal View. It explains about tinnitus, causes and treatment that you might find helpful.
      I suggest that you use a sound machine at night. More about this is explained in my article.
      Michael
       

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