God Is a Healer!

Discussion in 'Success Stories' started by brooke ptak, Mar 19, 2019.

    1. Jack Straw
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      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

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      No need to rain on someone’s parade. Everyone has different beliefs.
       
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    2. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Not very fair though - is it @CrystalB
      I mean - who gets the miracles, and who doesn’t?
       
    3. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Can I just ask you @Jack Straw this question.
      Tinnitus Talk is a forum for discussing all elements of this condition, including treatments, therapies and potential cures.

      Regarding the claim quoted above; do you really regard even debating this issue to be ‘raining on somebody else’s parade?’

      Of course we all hold different beliefs.
      We are all grown ups.

      I have always promoted this website on every opportunity I have had - all over Facebook, on YouTube, my awareness video, etc....because I was really proud of the fact that the climate on here encouraged debate, freedom of speech, freedom of thought.

      I sincerely hope this openness to debate continues.
      It will be a huge loss to this site if it is curtailed.
      Respect- yes.
      Debate - yes.
       
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    4. dayma
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      It always amazes me how people choose to try tear down someone's support system. If you ever been to group therapy of any kind you have to respect and encourage each other. Everyone comes from a different place and trying to tear down someone's belief systems does nothing but make YOU personally feel better at the expense of others.
       
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    5. Tanni
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      There is zero proof of a God, and that's the point - it's called 'faith' for a reason. Pointing to God's 'good work' is not proof, as you can just as easily point to his 'bad work'. The fact that there is no proof is testament (see what I did there) to how strong and powerful your faith is.

      It's also why there's no point in trying to argue for or against the existence of God.

      Where the universe seems random, people apply meaning. We used to believe that Helios pulled the sun across the sky in his chariot every morning because we couldn't explain how else the sun came up. I'm sure a lot of us with Tinnitus can relate to that.

      For me, I've never properly understood why people find God comforting. If there's an afterlife, then we basically live forever, and no matter how great your life is I can't think of a worse curse. Life's special precisely because it ends.
       
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    6. Tanni
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      Exactly. Whatever brings everyone comfort.
       
    7. Markku
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      Hey Dave,

      A lot of forums (on any subject matter) out there strictly forbid discussions around religion and politics - for reasons that these types of threads tend to get totally out of control, nasty, full of vitriol and even hate speech. So moderators just don't want to bother with it and forbid it altogether.

      We will allow these discussions, and debate, but I guess it's obvious that everyone has the right to their faith, or lack thereof, and should not be scared of being attacked or made a mockery of.

      Unfortunately civility and topics around religion and politics very rarely go hand in hand, but as fellow human beings, let's try to keep it civil (this is a general statement - not directed at you).
       
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    8. Jazzer

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      My point is really this.
      Without the opportunity to debate this, along with every other topic, people of the book will be allowed to have their say, whereas agnostics must keep silent.
      That strikes me as being a bit ‘odd.’
       
    9. Jazzer

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      Agreed - thank you Markku.
       
    10. Markku
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      This isn't the case on many forums that forbid discussions on religion. It goes both ways - they don't allow religious folk talk about religion either. So it's not like they cultivate those discussions while silencing those with opposing views.

      But personally I think we should allow these - indeed as long as nobody is told they are a moron for believing, or not believing... And for what it's worth, I've seen some despicable comments by believers as well. The rudeness and insensitivity can definitely go both ways.

      Anyway. I'll step aside... hopefully I didn't hurt anyone's feelings.

      And thanks Dave for spreading the good word on Tinnitus Talk :love:
       
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    11. dayma
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      I am not sure why people feel the need to "debate" anything when someone brings up a belief. It's OK not to feel like you need to interject your commentary or feel like you need to have a counter point. If someone posts something looking for a debate that's one thing but it's another to start a debate when the other did not ask for it.
       
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    12. IAmCalifornia
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      *prays to God*

      Nothing.

      Guess I’m not doing it right.
       
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    13. dayma
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      I think this is the kind of post that is not helpful or needed. It's mocking really.
       
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    14. Lane

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      Hi @dayma -- I hear what you're saying, but quite honestly, I didn't really know what to make of the original post on this thread (below). -- It's interesting he hasn't posted since.
      I think a case that could be made that this new poster may have come here to start a debate, and perhaps even a controversy. I say controversy because it almost comes across to me as a little bit mocking. But that just me. Perhaps he didn't mean it that way at all. But I have to say, I don't mind seeing a little bit of pushback (which I think for the most part has been quite civil).

      One reason I like seeing the pushback is that perhaps the original poster will learn it's not a particularly good idea to proselytize about God on a website where people are hurting, often to the point of questioning every belief they've ever had about God and life. And they would like to go through their internal processing in their own way and their own time. They don't need indelicate exclamation points and ALL CAPs (comes across as shouting) to be coming at them trying to force the issue.
       
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    15. Jazzer

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      Perhaps I’ve been a bit disingenuous here.

      The whole subject of religious belief or otherwise is hugely interesting to me.
      No subject should ever be put beyond the opportunity for ‘questioning.’
      My personal feeling is that it should be possible to debate it.
      My heroes are Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens.
      Their debates with people like Father Baron, and other prominent ‘believers’ were great exercises in academic thought and argument.
      One exceptional debate pitted Christopher Hitchens, well known atheist, against his brother Peter Hitchens, a committed Christian.
      A bit of family ‘agro’ ensured a lively discussion.
      (It is still up on YouTube, by the way.)

      But at the end of the day, I have to admit that we are probably all either ‘in the fold - or we are out.’
      I was involved in a lengthy Facebook discussion which ran over many weeks, involving thirty or so debaters.
      At the end of this exhaustive debate, the believers were all still in, and the non-believers were all still out.
      Nobody changed their affiliation.
      So it goes beyond mere logic.
      My feeling is that belief is not a decision that one can make.
      It runs deeper than that.
      It has to be a matter of conviction.
      We are individually convinced on a deep level, or we are not.

      So - is such a debate really just a waste of time.
      I think it probably is.
       
    16. Lane

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      Hey Dave, I have to say, I find this fairly humorous. :D Are you saying you recently were involved in a several week debate that you now feel was a waste of time? Does that mean you'll never do it again, or does that mean it's not a bad thing to waste your time? Enquiring mind would like to know. :D I suppose we could have a discussion on whether it's ever good to waste our time. -- I think it probably is.
       
    17. Jazzer

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      Wise words - very good.
      The original post was pretty much ‘Red rag to a bull!’
       
    18. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      I love debate - it seems to exercise what is left of my ‘grey matter’ after it was shafted by this vile curse.
      No - I’m always up for it.
      I never set out to hurt anybody, but I am aware of a tendency to get a bit ‘spikey’ if a fellow debater flatly refuses to accept that there is nothing wrong with others having a difference of opinion.

      There is no point in anybody insisting that they are right, simply to win an argument.
       
    19. Wojtek Kalka
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      Worst opinion and most useless statement ever ..
       
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    20. JohnAdams
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      "The honest doubter who approaches the study of this subject with a perfectly open mind will find not only enough to give him faith, but as he profoundly studies all these fulfilled predictions, even his newly acquired faith will develop into a certainty, and he will lift his hands in grateful adoration, crying out, " Oh my God, Thou hast planted my feet upon a rock which never can be moved."
      -Isaac Newton, Daniel and the Apocalypse, p. 49

      Are you an honest doubter? Do you have a perfectly open mind? Have you heard of Isaac Newton?

      Maybe you should read this book?
       
    21. JohnAdams
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      One example of evidence for the existence of God:

      When the Jews were captives in Babylon, a Jew named Daniel claimed to have received a message from an angel that predicted that Jerusalem would be rebuilt, and then destroyed in a 7 year war.

      Daniel ch 9 is where the prediction is.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_captivity

      The prediction was perfectly fulfilled.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish–Roman_War

      The prophecy was made in the 500's BC and was fulfilled in the 70's AD.

      That is only one example out of many.
       
    22. JohnAdams
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      Well then how else did information from the future reach the prophet Daniel? A good guess?
       
    23. TheDanishGirl
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      It was mere coincidence.
       
    24. JohnAdams
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      Oh, ok. He also said that the Persians would rise up against the Greeks and that the Greeks would destroy them with a mighty ruler and then after that his kingdom would be split into 4, which was also eventually happened with Alexander the Great. I guess that's also a mere coincidence.
       
    25. Strife_84
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      I don't believe In God. I believe in something but it's not God from Bible.
       
    26. billie48
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      Faith is a highly personal thing. I can list so many personal spiritual experiences that I simply can't explain with science alone and I was a pre-med student before I turned into IT which requires me to think in logical ways. But to those who have lived with faith, they know there is a loving Heavenly Father with perfect love for His children, and yet He never said if you believe in him, you will sail through this life and your earthly existence free of sufferings and trials. In fact from Job to the apostles and Christ's followers they suffered illnesses and persecutions much more than us mortals. So let's respect each other's choices and keep it that way here. Let peace and civility rule our beloved TT forum. Amen! :)
       
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    27. Yugal Rai
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      Did it actually completely fade away? How long did it take you and what caused your tinnitus? Do you know?

      I'm going tio start praying God as well then!!!
       
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    28. Jazzer

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      ....er.....I believe in ‘Pussycats’
      there......I’ve admitted it!
       
    29. Ecip

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      Which God are we talking about anyway? There are too damn many of those mythological inventions.
       
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