Internal Head Tinnitus: Is It Likely Going to Be Permanent?

Discussion in 'Support' started by akirakurosawa, Jun 13, 2020.

    1. akirakurosawa

      akirakurosawa Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      tympanogram
      The tinnitus I have is internal. I still occasionally have fleeting tinnitus in both ears, but I've had that for as long as I can remember (I'm 43 years old).

      My tinnitus was caused by a tympanogram, so I consider it noise/pressure induced tinnitus.

      My question to you all: If I am suffering from what seems to be a neuron (or internal) tinnitus, is this more than likely permanent?

      I am going on 7 weeks now, and just not sure what the usual prognosis on this is. It definitely is not happening in my actual ears.

      For what it's worth, it seems to be at about 13,500 Hz, and is at the 60-70 dB level. It sounds a LOT like the shower (my new favorite daily activity).
       
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    2. Samantha R

      Samantha R Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador

      Location:
      Geelong Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      Sorry to hear about this new tone you have.
      It’s hard to know if it’s permanent or not, it really is just a waiting game.
      I hear my tinnitus in my head (if that’s what you mean by internal tinnitus).
      This is still tinnitus and quite common to hear it in your head.
      I hope it settles down for you.
      I take Nicotinamide Riboside regularly. This is supposed be otoprotective, to help keep my ears from getting any worse.
      I feel like I’m at least being proactive in some way, otherwise I feel pretty helpless.
       
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      akirakurosawa

      akirakurosawa Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      tympanogram
      Hello good people of Tinnitus Talk!

      It has been 12 weeks (3 months) since my tinnitus started. It was definitely from a tympanogram at an ENT’s office. My tinnitus is also head tinnitus. There is no perceptible tinnitus in my ears themselves.

      Lately I have been noticing that I have a 4 day cycle of severity. On days 1-3 my tinnitus is at a level 5-7/10, and on day 4 its more like a 3/10. Does anyone else have this type of cycle? Stress certainly seems to influence how high a level I have on the first 3 days.

      And side question, do people recover from head tinnitus? Feeling a bit hopeless as of late.
       
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    4. racedy

      racedy Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection and possibly noise over time
      @akirakurosawa, I have head tinnitus too. Mine fluctuated but would go back to baseline -- which was pretty low and I could only hear it in quiet rooms and it never gave me problems sleeping, just sounded like crickets, some days I wouldn't even notice it at all. So yes I think it can go away like ear tinnitus. I'm not sure how the brain processes head tinnitus differently than ear tinnitus (I always associate my fleeting ear ringing with damage from noise, and head tinnitus from high stress/anxiety).

      How is yours? I hope it improved!
       
    5. MusicTeacher

      MusicTeacher Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Rehearsals/Meds
      I’ve had a couple bouts of head tinnitus. They both went away. It is possible.
       
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      akirakurosawa

      akirakurosawa Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      tympanogram
      @racedy, I'm heading into 1 year soon. I have had some good days, and some bad days. Currently in a bit of a spike so I find myself back here. I've gone months not letting it get to me and so I try and stay off this site. I mostly head to the Success Stories when I login for some modicum of hope. I hope you are doing well with managing your tinnitus!

      @MusicTeacher, how long did you have the head tinnitus? Mine is close to 1 year at this point. As I said above, with some highs and lows.
       
    7. MindOverMatter

      MindOverMatter Member

      Location:
      Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      2004
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown (possibly stress related, and later sound induced)
      I agree with @racedy.

      In my experience head tinnitus is typically related to sort of brain inflammation; high stress levels and anxiety.
       
    8. AliasM
      Depressed

      AliasM Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Botched lumbar puncture, CSF leak
      Tinnitus rotates through the lobes of my brain - usually 2-3 lobes at once. 3.5 months since it was 24/7 but was coming and going before that.

      Really hoping for some relief from the hissing, pulsing, ringing, chirping etc in my brain. It rattles my nerves.
      How long did you have it before it went away?
       
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    9. MusicTeacher

      MusicTeacher Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Rehearsals/Meds
      @AliasM @akirakurosawa, my head tinnitus lasted several months and then vanished. But... my tinnitus changes a lot. Most types that I’ve read about on this site, I’ve experienced, and then it changes again.
       
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    10. AliasM
      Depressed

      AliasM Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Botched lumbar puncture, CSF leak
      What was the cause of your tinnitus?

      This head stuff is loud and intrusive. I am sure when tinnitus first started, it was just my ears, but it is 85% my brain now that rings.

      Do you mean your tinnitus went away completely, or moved back to your ears?
       
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    11. MusicTeacher

      MusicTeacher Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/12/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Rehearsals/Meds
      @AliasM, I wish it went away. It never left my ears... the head tinnitus did go away though. And I feel your pain - I remember it being very intrusive. Hang in there.
       
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    12. FlatDarkEarth

      FlatDarkEarth Member

      Location:
      Tennessee
      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Concert (2017)
      I'm not understanding the difference when you guys talk about head tinnitus vs ear tinnitus - how does that work?
       
    13. AliasM
      Depressed

      AliasM Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Botched lumbar puncture, CSF leak
      I can't speak for others, but I get ringing, chirping, static, and hissing throughout the different lobes of my brain. Sometimes it migrates through my brain as the day goes on. Other times what I wake with is what I have for the day.

      My tinnitus is multi tonal so I generally have 6-8 sounds at once coming from the brain and ears.

      I have a permanent swirling, churning static that is pulsatile that sits in my left parietal lobe. It is loud and intrusive (and I feel it even though I have been told that is impossible) yet, when I block my ears, I only hear it in the distance.

      I haven't had it for a while but I use to get loud aggressive chirping that came up from the base of my skull into the left and right occipital lobes. No where near my ears.

      Then I get the ringing, electricity running down a wire and other sounds that are purely in my ears.

      That is head tinnitus vs brain tinnitus for me.
       
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    14. Stanlex
      Wtf

      Stanlex Member

      Location:
      A world where everything sounds funny
      Tinnitus Since:
      2019 - mild, 03/2021 - the real shit
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Something that cannot be identified by 21st century tech
      In my opinion 'head tinnitus' is a myth. It is just like when you hear sound through headphones or earbuds. When one is broken, you hear the sound in your left/right ear. But when both sides work, then you hear the sound in your head rather than in both ears simultaneously. Same I think happens with tinnitus. If you have bilateral tinnitus that sounds equally in both ears, then it might feel like it originates from head, but that's just an effect of stereo. And the migration between lobes might be that tinnitus changes its volume in both ears independently, therefore you feel that shift.

      But that's just my personal opinion, I might not be right. I'm not expert. I wish you'll recover.
       
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    15. AliasM
      Depressed

      AliasM Member

      Location:
      Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2020
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Botched lumbar puncture, CSF leak
      Ahh, no.

      It might help to have it to understand it.
       
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    16. Jamia

      Jamia Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/23/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Tumor? Ototoxic Meds? ETD? Intracranial Pressure
      What was your head tinnitus like?
       
    17. KazM
      Conehead

      KazM Member

      Location:
      Invercargill, New Zealand
      Tinnitus Since:
      12th October 2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Head injury
      My simplified understanding is there are generally three areas to hearing, the outer ear with all the little bones, the auditory nerve pathway from the outer part of the ear (bones etc) to the brain, and then the auditory section of the brain itself. I have had the "brain tinnitus" 24/7 since 2012. I also get occasional outer ear tinnitus however it doesn't last very long. Too much coffee makes mine worse/louder.
       
    18. KazM
      Conehead

      KazM Member

      Location:
      Invercargill, New Zealand
      Tinnitus Since:
      12th October 2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Head injury
      Actually there is a verified form of tinnitus that intrudes in the brain, it has been imaged on functional MRI and is seen as visibly active areas that should actually be quiet. EEG can also be used to identify abnormal areas of brain activity.
      I tried to get a fMRI however was declined. My hearing test came back perfect for my age, the audiologist said"you have better hearing than me". I have had an MRI which does show the possibility of head trauma, unfortunately it was done 8 years after the accident. I also get the tinnitus in the inner ear although it doesn't last very long, minutes; my brain tinnitus is constant 24/7, just over 10,000 Hz, sounds a bit like crickets, varies in volume, can sometimes make me feel like my head is "fit to burst" it's so loud. Having a shower definitely masks it however I can't stay in the shower the rest of my life! Below is the title to a research paper, somewhat technical, however interesting.

      Functional magnetic resonance imaging of tinnitus
      Lanting, Cornelis Pieter
       
    19. KazM
      Conehead

      KazM Member

      Location:
      Invercargill, New Zealand
      Tinnitus Since:
      12th October 2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Head injury
      Everyone is unique in their tinnitus however the one common factor is an intrusive ringing in ear/s and or head. After having a hearing test, which was almost normal, hearing reduction at the pitch of my head tinnitus, the audiologist advised me that the more attention I paid to it the louder it would get, a bit like only paying attention to a noisy child when they get in your face (I have four children). I have found his advice to be true, the more I "listen" to the tinnitus the louder it gets as the brain reinforces the "noise." Very occasionally now I may get up in the morning and there is VERY brief silence until my brain switches on the noise generator. This is my experience, and it was apparent the second I regained consciousness after being knocked out for over ten minutes. I found it quite distressing in the early days, and while it can still bug the hell out of me, I try to keep my mind occupied on other things and I take Melatonin when I need a bit of extra sleep.
      The literature I have read has been helpful in understanding tinnitus, "knowledge is power," or in the case of tinnitus has helped me come to terms with it in a fashion.
      As I stated at the beginning, everyone is unique, and I believe it is important to find a supportive medical professional to give you advice on your particular tinnitus, even tho it seems we both have the same variety. :)
       
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    20. Mathew Gould

      Mathew Gould Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      6/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neck/Jaw misalignment
      My tinnitus goes in cycles too. It's almost like something builds up in the body, then releases every 4-5 days.
       
    21. Paul201
      Pacman

      Paul201 Member

      Location:
      Ireland
      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Subwoofer
      How annoying it must be to go to someone who is supposed to be helping you with your ears, but instead makes you worse with the tests they do.

      I went to an ENT once about my ears and he wanted to microsuction my ears. I ran out of the place as fast as I could and will not be going back to any one of them again.
       
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    22. Freerunner

      Freerunner Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2021
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Caloric test
    23. Ela Stefan

      Ela Stefan Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear Infection
      @KazM, hi! Could you describe a little bit more your tinnitus please? Are the crickets all over your head or just in the ears? Are they reactive to noise? Do you wear hearing protection?

      Thank you so much.
       
    24. DebInAustralia
      No Mood

      DebInAustralia Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      Geelong, Victoria
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2013
      @KazM, how long after your head injury did you start experiencing brain/head tinnitus?
       
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