Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

So your tinnitus is reactive?

 

They did report it lasting for over a year with people. We don’t know how many it did or didn’t last for.

 

So I might have to use it every day for an hour a day for the rest of the foreseeable future? Damn, tinnitus it is I guess.

 

Maybe after seeing positive results these people were less careful about protecting their ears which caused their tinnitus to return to its normal level? Just a thought.

 

If I remember correctly, the CEO of Neuromod said you have to have some hearing in order to use the device. I don't think he specified how much hearing. So even if your hearing loss is larger than mild, as long as you can hear the sounds from the device you should be good. That's what I'm getting from his answer at least.

 

If I recall Dr. Ross O'Neill mentioned in the interview that in the TENT-A1 trial there was an arm that was Asynchronous Low Frequency and the difference between that and the Sync/High Frequency was that the results didn't seem to persist as well with the former.

Could be that I guess?

 

Congratulations and good luck!

I guess it was a bit too overwhelming with first consultation to even remember but did you maybe ask about low frequency drone?

 

I wouldn't say I have the classic depression but I am highly desperate. Should I hide this from Neuromod?

In addition I take several medications for anxiety and sleep - I don't know if I could withdraw from them. So I assume I shouldn't mention that to Neuromod?

Is it an exclusion criteria?

 

I think it’s a question you should ask yourself; Am I prepared to put the effort, money and hope into it and accept the fact that it may possibly do nothing?

If the answer is no, I wouldn’t get the treatment for your own sanity.

If you are prepared that it may not work and still have hope for the ‘future of tinnitus treatments’ and will be content you at least tried it then go for it.

Best of luck.

P.S. You probably know, but don’t just withdraw from your meds at least without consulting your doctor. A side effect of quick withdrawal of ADs, benzos can be tinnitus!

 

I believe that if you are suicidal/overly desperate Neumorod would be concerned if the results of using the device were lower than expected you might harm yourself. Also for many when you first get tinnitus it is the hardest stage to deal with, I had anxiety and panic attacks which I no longer have. You also have a higher chance of the tinnitus going without intervention. This may be why you are excluded before your tinnitus has lasted 3 months.

 

Would it be fair to say that by allowing lots of people to take the product from Dublin, before it's introduced elsewhere (no known success/failure rate in the public arena), is a quick way for Neuromod to achieve some financial return before the truth (effectiveness) hits the marketplace.

I can fully understand why they would want to do that.

 

Hi guys. I'm following this thread all the time, can't wait to read about some results.

I've registered about 2 weeks ago and hope to get an appointment next year.

My tinnitus is very somatic (jaw), high pitched in my head. I had no acoustic trauma, might be from stress. Can't find any big hearing loss.

I hope my case works well for Lenire or for Shore's device (better if your tinnitus is very somatic?)

In the meantime I will live off illness benefits as I lost my job because of tinnitus.

I hope this hell is going to end soon for most of us.

Anyway, keep us updated, fingers crossed!

 

Not really no, you’re talking about a few hundred devices max. This is a drop in the ocean and if they were wanting to do that they would have charged much more.

I think it’s much more likely that they want to iron out the process and finish collecting data from TENT-A2 before rolling this out worldwide.

 

Considering there is a similar treatment based in London that starts at £4,500 and should be worn for 4-6 hours a day - I'd say Lenire / Neuromod have priced this at an EXTREMELY competitive rate.

I guess it comes down to what kind of price a clinic wants to put on their time as opposed to the actual product itself.

https://www.thetinnitusclinic.co.uk/tinnitus-treatment/

 

I suffer from anxiety and take a very mild anti-anxiety medication which was all disclosed at my assessment. I was still accepted for the treatment. However my anxiety existed years before my tinnitus got worse and the tinnitus existed before the anxiety started.

I don't know the background around your depression / anxiety etc (whether it was brought on by the tinnitus or was there prior) but I'd never recommend hiding things like this from consultants. Especially when it's regarding an expensive treatment.

 

To Cojackb:

My sentiments exactly. Desyncra is still charging $5,612.40. As you know, I paid $5,629.00 for their 36 week "treatment" and it was utterly useless.

What is Lenire? About $2,200.00 - $2,400.00? So we have a far more potentially effective device for 40 - 45% of Desyncra's cost.

 

Besides being more expensive, it's not nearly as promising as Neuromod's Lenire. If the Tinnitus Clinic does not get Lenire they may be in trouble.

 

Curiosity, in many cases her desperate curiosity, is natural. So is not wanting to re-live every second of that first day/week etc. until any individual is mentally situated to do so. Let's all be gentle with each other.

 

If they are taking 6 or 7 people a day at Dublin for up to a year before introducing other clinics, that's a fair bit of investment back while feedback is releasing on the product's effectiveness.

I can't wait to see results for people with moderate or worse tinnitus, plus mild/moderate hearing loss.

 

Let's be realistic. There's a very fixed limit to how much money they can make from just one clinic no matter how hard they try to push people in and out. The money to be made is when this is being offered through hundreds of clinics throughout the world. So they have every motivation in the world to expand availability.

 

Highly unlikely we won’t be seeing more clinics until summer 2020.

Plus you’re forgetting that if there’s 4 appointments required then only 1 in 4 per day on average will be a first appointment / sale.

This is a company that has had tens of millions of investment and I still stick by my point that if they were looking to “achieve some financial return before the truth hits the marketplace” this wouldn’t be the way to do it.

 

I thought you didn’t allow any negativity about Lenire on this thread.

 

Yes. Some of the testimonials describe severe tinnitus and spikes.

 

Figure in operational costs and that first sale goes down a ton also...

 

Yes and yes. In fact I probably said I would defy anyone with severe constant tinnitus (and not the sort you only hear just before you sleep) to NOT be depressed/down hearted.

 

As expected they can't say anything yet regarding the launch of Lenire in Germany:

 

I got a little more detailed answer once I did an follow up with them explaining that it's better for me both time-wise and distance-wise to undergo the treatment in Germany, but they just don't care and they think that it's very "funny and appropriate" to fly 4 times back and forth, instead of giving at least something like "we estimate that it will be available in Germany in Q2/2020 at the earliest but cannot guarantee or promise anything!"

 

At least they’re in contact with several clinics in Germany, that gives me hope... Thank you for sharing their replies on here!

 

If they are in late discussions and with multiple centers it is likely very soon. Not giving a timeline is likely protocol.