Lidocaine. Did It Myself. Twice. Lowered Tinnitus from 7 to 1.

Discussion in 'Success Stories' started by tinnitube, Mar 14, 2016.

    1. AlexSongitus

      AlexSongitus Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      Well in my case steroids did have an effect on it, but just temporary also.

      Sorry to hear the last time wasn't as effective, but it seems pretty much expected as most people, and the docs at the AM-101 trial said about it. It's temporary relief. Still good when it's unbearable though if you have access to it.
       
    2. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      Isnt xylocaine the name that you give to lidocaine ?? . like one is the name that the lab uses for sell and the other is juat the chemical compound (lidocaine generic) .
       
    3. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      i think tinnitus has to do also with the brain . I have en electronic lab at home and try to measure my tinnitus tones etc . but applying signal sound (sound theory ) to tinnitus its impossible because tinnitus is not real like measuring one sound wave with the scope , tinnitus is some chemical or electrical activity that our mind see it as sound . So impossible to treat it with sound theory . But in the Lab in the univeristy one proffessor told me that cells grow or change with sound waves , maybe thats the theory behing neuromodulation . but just theory . Any way it seems that when I was in the worst crisis T got away and levae me in relative peace until now .
       
    4. AlexSongitus

      AlexSongitus Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      Yeah it seems we have a lot of theories when it comes to T, but no definitive understanding of it. It's good that there is a lot of active research in the area though, so hopefully it won't be too much longer before we get a better understanding of it. Interesting about being able to grow or change cells with sound waves. Glad your spike has dissipated. Hope it stays down for you.
       
    5. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      my good road has been this ;

      1. lidocaine (for crisis)
      2. xanax (long time release) (for anxiety that produces T)
      3. support therapy (to let go some bad feelings)
      4- changing life style . like not living my life at 250km/h any more .
      5- shower sound music from you tube when sleeping .

      I can tell you that with those 5 simple things I got good results . any thing else I tried , and God knows what many , many things I tried didnt help . I will update any thing that help really .
       
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    6. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      one thing good about my history . Now I see patients that consult about T . and Im not that stupid Md that says "just live with it nothing can be done" :)
       
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    7. Aaron123

      Aaron123 Member

      The specific MOA is unknown. From http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/disorders/hearing/tinnitus/anesthetics.html
      The Trellakis et al paper looks like it might be an interesting read:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17956794
       
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    8. AlexSongitus

      AlexSongitus Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      That's interesting if it effects so many areas. It's even more strange, now learning it can target so many different areas, that I seem to be the only person recently that actually had a decrease down to silence during the AM-101 injections after they used Lidocaine on me as the numbing agent, but it seems everybody else are reporting spikes. You would figure more people should report temporary relief.
       
    9. Ecip

      Ecip Member

      Location:
      Edmonton, AB
      Tinnitus Since:
      4.11.2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Still unknown... possibly noise exposure?
      And let me tell you that you could help more people with T than an ENT ever could.

      Also, see this:
      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/03/160330102848.htm
       
    10. Beste
      Disappointed

      Beste Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/16/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Benzo/Clonazepam, Stress
      Then why do not scientist work on this thing like extend its effect and lessen its side effects? Maybe we would have T like diabetics if this came true. God, why have they led us alone in this field? Do not they see some us at the edge of suicide?
       
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    11. Ecip

      Ecip Member

      Location:
      Edmonton, AB
      Tinnitus Since:
      4.11.2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Still unknown... possibly noise exposure?
      @tinnitube any update on your condition? Going to see my family doctor today, I'm going to mention lidocaine IV to him.
       
    12. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      hello to all ,

      Ecip , I had apply it twice more , but only in the real crisis , because it has no long term effect . So I would recommend it only in a real crisis , like 8 / 10 . The effect last a couple of days or less . (for me)

      Ive been trying some other things , recently talked to a professor of psychiatry of Univerisad de Chile . He recommended me Etifoxine , its a gaba agonist , but without the potential of causing tolerance or supression syndrome . In recent sudies it shows axonal grow properties (you can google it) so ive been on etifoxine 10 days and it lowers the T and lowers the emotional reaction very much . I cannot use benzo because I try them and end up feeling tired and build up tolerance , although I wolud recommend them in crisis for some short perdiod and then switch to etifoxine . Please try etifoxine or comment to your doctor , that is better choice for long term use . Same for you beste . I also try lidocaine patches , one patient I have has many , many and gave me a couple . They have no effect on the T , because the lido of the patch only absorbs very superficial ... Etifoxine is a nice choice guys , ill recommend it better than benzos . i do not know if in us is available it seems that is was designed in europe -.
       
    13. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      I now have 3 patients with severe T . in my experience one must use benzo in the first stages and be very gentle using them) , use lido if its too much , and use etifoxine for long term management ? im on day 10 of Etifoxine i would keep you informed about this ... :) lets wait one month to see how I feel
       
    14. RaZaH
      Dancing

      RaZaH Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Reykjavík, Iceland
      Tinnitus Since:
      2012/04
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Benzo + loud noise
      @tinnitube I am very concerned about you advising people to use benzos for T .
      My t came about because of benzos ...a lot of people have that same experience.
       
    15. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      yes , thats why i said "you have to be very gentle" using them ...
       
    16. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

      Location:
      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
      the problem using benzos is in general the md doesnt tell you how to taper , or the patient just dont do it , or any other problem ending in stoping them in one day . im my practice I always advice how to taper , and always monitor every 10 days to see whats going on , i wouldnt use them in long term . but in crisis ill prefer to use them and monitor close . im very sorry your T come out because of benzos . of course it will depend on dosis and time using them . and I guess there will be a very , very little percentage that can get it on low dose . by the way etifoxine is not a benzo .
       
    17. Ecip

      Ecip Member

      Location:
      Edmonton, AB
      Tinnitus Since:
      4.11.2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Still unknown... possibly noise exposure?
      @tinnitube I think its great of you to be as active as you are on this forum in regards to this subject, seeing as you're a doctor. And I wish you were a doctor in Canada. Haha.

      I seen my family doctor today. He wouldn't administer lidocaine IV as he has no experience with this, and I understand.
      It would be interesting to try, just to see how my tinnitus would react.

      Also; "Etifoxine is not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration or the European Medicines Agency."
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etifoxine

      That probably means its not available in Canada either.
       
    18. tinnitube
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      tinnitube Member

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      Viña del Mar (CHILE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      damn virus
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    19. NotA2ndTime

      NotA2ndTime Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Xanax
      Below info from AudioNotch: http://www.audionotch.com/blog/tinnitus-research-2/lidocaine-tinnitus/

      In the United States, up to 35 percent of adults will experience an episode of tinnitus. Although most cases of tinnitus are temporary, chronic tinnitus can be incapacitating, making it difficult for you to function and hear the sounds that you want to hear. If you suffer from worsening volume of tinnitus, lidocaine tinnitus may be a solution for you.

      Who Qualifies for Lidocaine Tinnitus?
      Lidocaine is a way to treat chronic tinnitus that has been worsening over a period of 4 to 8 weeks or longer. Lidocaine would not be used to treat temporary tinnitus. About 8 percent of people have chronic tinnitus and would be under consideration for treatment with lidocaine. Your doctor may evaluate your symptoms and perform some tests such as an EKG to check for abnormal heart rhythms and a hearing exam to check for worsening hearing loss to make sure that you are healthy enough to receive lidocaine tinnitus.

      How Lidocaine for Tinnitus Works
      Lidocaine for tinnitus is administered intravenously. The medication is added to a saline solution in an intravenous solution bag and delivered to you through a vein. The medication takes 30 to 60 minutes to get into your body. Once the lidocaine is absorbed into your body, it works to numb the nerve endings in your auditory system. When the nerve endings are less stimulated, you will experience a lessening of the volume of your tinnitus. The lidocaine may also reduce hyperactivity of the nerves within your ears. Your normal sense of hearing will not be diminished due to the lidocaine. Some doctors will treat you with a single IV of lidocaine every couple of months to prevent your symptoms from worsening. Other doctors will give you IV lidocaine once per day for a few consecutive days to eliminate tinnitus symptoms.

      Benefits of Lidocaine for Tinnitus
      There are many benefits to using lidocaine for incapacitating tinnitus symptoms. Lidocaine is generally regarded as safe and has been widely used in dentistry and medicine to provide local anesthesia for minor procedures such as dental fillings or stitches. There is a minimal amount of pain when getting lidocaine for tinnitus. The only pain you are likely to experience is when the IV line is placed. The lidocaine treatment should last for several months, providing you with a long duration of relief from your tinnitus symptoms. Most people experience no side effects from lidocaine injections.
       
    20. GregCA
      Jaded

      GregCA Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      I'm not sure I believe the long lasting statement: the OP said the effects only lasted a couple of days for him. This study claims "Different routes of lidocaine administration have a good but short time effects on the tinnitus control. It can effectively reduce the time of tinnitus habituation as a complementary treatment. But its value still needs further evaluation."
      This study also posits the same.

      If there was a long lasting treatment for Tinnitus (several months?) the world would know about it, as it would be considered an effective treatment (no doctor has ever mentioned it to me as a viable long term treatment).

      It is very interesting that it does work, and we should pursue research down this path, but I'm not buying the "several months of relief". The good news is that the IV is a systemic delivery system: the lidocaine goes all over the body (not just the inner ear), so there may be a chance that other systemic types of delivery may work too: this person is taking oral lidocaine for other reasons.

      I haven't seen any trial (I've looked on clinicaltrials.gov) for oral lidocaine against tinnitus. Wonder why.

      Also we don't really know what the long term side effects is.
       
    21. Candy

      Candy Member Benefactor Team Awareness

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unidentified
      Also talks about peripheral t...does that theory still stand? We now know it is maintained by the brain. How would lidocaine help, don't understand the physiological mechanism...

      Anyhow, is this article manufactured?
       
    22. GregCA
      Jaded

      GregCA Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      Nope, we don't know that at all. We actually know that the opposite is true: it's not always in the brain (example: otosclerosis as cause - or other middle ear causes). That isn't to say that it isn't sometimes in the brain, just to disprove that it's always in the brain.

      It is traditionally used as a numbing agent, as an anesthetic.

      Which article?
       
    23. Quiet please
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      Quiet please Member

      Location:
      Westchester County, NY
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2008
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      I don't know
      My TMJ dental specialist gave me lidocaine injections for the T & pain. He injected all over my face; including jaw & temples. I had these shots over a one- year period. They never helped the T, but my TMJ pain was reduced.
       
    24. JasonP
      No Mood

      JasonP Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      6/2006
      Is the Etifoxine still working?
       
    25. Candy

      Candy Member Benefactor Team Awareness

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unidentified
      @Greg, according to the ENT at the BTA, the cochlea doesn't necessarily have to be involved for t to develop...? Also when it is generated in the brain how would lidocaine work as it's a local anesthetic?
      Was referring to the AudioNotch article...

      @Quiet please - did you suffer from TMJ before you developed t? I've had it for 20 years and t for 7 months. The flaring of the jaw is now only occasional and wasn't flared up when the t actually happened...
       
    26. Gareth Gravell

      Gareth Gravell Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2007
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      Problem is it won't work with noise induced Tinnitus.
       
    27. GregCA
      Jaded

      GregCA Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      That is true, but it's a very different statement from "We now know it is maintained by the brain.": in many cases it's not maintained by the brain (I've mentioned a few).
       
    28. Candy

      Candy Member Benefactor Team Awareness

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unidentified
      Ok...I get the medical underlying conditions that can cause t, but haven't heard of cases, other that ETD, TMJ when it resolves? Any info would be useful...Even my local ENT told me it was a neurological issue and not to persue other avenues like jaw issues.

      Hence my belief was that the latest research pointed to brain involvement always no matter the cause?
       
    29. GregCA
      Jaded

      GregCA Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Otosclerosis
      No. Like I said, that is not correct (you mention exceptions to this "rule" yourself).
      ETD, TMJ are the ones you mentioned.
      Middle ear issues is another set (otosclerosis being one of them, where surgery can get rid of T in roughly half of the cases - cochlear otosclerosis can also respond well to fluoride/bisphosphonates/ipriflavone, otitis media is another one).
      Then you have vascular issues, tension, stress, etc.

      T has many root causes, some of which can actually be fixed. I invite you to look at the diagnostic flowchart.

      What is indeed a strong hypothesis is that many root causes can trigger, in time, some kind of plasticity in the brain that can be a contributory factor to T (which is why we often see people say "it goes to the brain after a while"). That's because the brain is adaptive, and sometimes it does its plasticity changes in a pathological way. Sound therapies are generally focused on reversing that maladapted plasticity.
       
    30. Candy

      Candy Member Benefactor Team Awareness

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unidentified
      Thanks for the info...
       

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