Pycnogenol May Relieve Some Types of Tinnitus

Hmmm... nice find @erik!

 

hey guys,

I wanted to know if anyone actually tried taking this supplement??

 

Sure. I have used it for years - as an antioxidant, and to help my eczema. Pycnogenol is one of the most potent antioxidants available. However, since my various therapies, I no longer have eczema. And as it happens, I stopped taking Pycnogenol shortly after developing tinnitus - for other reasons. I still have piles of it at home (from PharmaNord). I can give it another go, if you want. But, it is unlikely to be of help in chronic tinnitus. I can see how it might be of help in people with vascular diseases/conditions - and perhaps preventing tinnitus from occuring in the first place. Instead, I will be discussing vitamin B12 injections in the week ahead with the doctors overseeing my treatment plan.

 

Thanks for all that info, Erik. I fully believe that every possible lead is worth looking into. Taking Pycnogenol, if for no other reason, would be beneficial as it is a potent antioxidant.

I'm glad that there are some positive reports about supplementation, as I think supplements often get a bad wrap. I think part of the problem is that people are naturally more skeptical to supplements than they are to conventional medicine. And in my opinion, a better case can be presented for natural methods (diet, exercise, nutrition, and supplements) than they can be made for conventional medicines in a lot of areas of health. And when supplements do appear to work, they often aren't given credit, and usually the person says, "I don't know for sure, but I think x supplement helped my condition"... I understand the skepticism, but then again, if I take Tylenol for a headache, and if that headache goes away, I can't necessarily prove that the Tylenol got rid of the headache rather than it is just coincidental. Furthermore, there have been times when I've had a headache when it seemed like doubling the dose of Tylenol didn't do squat... but I didn't suddenly come to the conclusion that Tylenol is no different than a placebo.

Also, I have found that sometimes there are simply poor studies done with supplements. The most common one I see is with vitamin E. The big scare study I saw with vitamin E being linked to cancer was using dl-alpha tocopherol, which is a synthetic form of vitamin E, and even the most hardcore naturopathic researchers have said for years that there are problems with the synthetic vitamin E. Naturally, vitamin E exists in 8 different forms (4 tocopherols and 4 tocotrienols), the most common in food being d-alpha tocopherol ("dl" is synthetic and vitamin E only exists as "d" in nature).

Another point we must remember that when one eats whole foods rich with certain types of vitamins like vitamin E, for example, they aren't just eating vitamin E alone. But naturally, there are supportive antioxidants involved, such as selenium. This stuff works as a "team", i.e. there is a difference between eating an orange with its vitamin C content and its naturally occurring bioflavonoids versus taking a straight vitamin C pill with no supporting bioflavonoids or other antioxidants. In other words, vitamins and minerals do not work independently like medication does. To do so would be like sending a quarter back out by himself to play against the opposing team without his other team members--it's not that the quarter back's position doesn't "work", but his position isn't designed to make up for the rest of his team.

lol, well, that's my little rant. I realize some will disagree with what I'm saying, but think about this: to say that vitamins don't work, is to say that all foods are equally nutritious. The reason why some foods are considered better than others largely have to do with their vitamin and mineral content. Why would you want to eat carrots which are high in vitamin A (mainly as beta-carotene) versus eating a Twinkie? It makes no sense to say vitamins and minerals have no worth; that's basically saying all foods are created equal and there is no point in choosing healthy options.

Ok, rant over... this seriously started off as a post more relevant to Pycnogenol, but then I have seen supplements slammed on this site so much, that I just finally had to say something, lol... oh, and just because supplements may not help with tinnitus, also doesn't mean supplements "don't work". That's like saying all the over the counter medication at Wal-Greens don't work because none of them, (acetominophen, ibuprofen, claritin, Afrin, cough drops, etc) work for tinnitus.

 

Hi,
did someone try this medication?
http://www.pycnogenol.com/applications/more-applications/tinnitus/

and here a new study:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/study-finds-pycnogenol-effective-improving-151100036.html

Greets Tom

 

I'm going to give this a try. A recent trial of Cialis had reduced my T a significant amount so this could be a solution for me.

 

Hello! Has anyone tried pycnogenol?

 

Hi Barbara.....Yes, for years, and up to 100 mg a day. I take it because it is supposed to be a powerful antioxidant. However, it never had any beneficial effect on my tinnitus.

 

Where can this be bought cheapest? So expensive everywhere...

 

If you're going to give it a try, it's worth noting that in the OP, one group was put on 100mg and the other 150mg per day. The third group received no Pycnogenol. After my first post in this thread I gave it another go by increasing my dosage from 100mg/day to 200mg/day and experienced no change in my tinnitus.

Yeah... it is indeed expensive. Here are some different brands sold on Amazon. You can do some additional price comparisons there if you haven't already:

https://www.amazon.com/Pycnogenol-Nutritional-Supplements/b?ie=UTF8&node=3774621

 

I take have taken Pycnogenol on and off for the last year and a half. Even though it says it takes a few weeks to have any results the first 3 days I took it my tinnitus almost went a way completely, then came back on the 4th day.

I took it for about 60 more days but only occasionally did it seem to be milder. I have tried it on and off again since with some results, but nothing like the first 3 days. Sometimes using other varieties of white pine bark supplements.

I am going to start again with a stronger dose of Pycnogenol.

The main thing it did was give me hope that my tinnitus is curable since I did experience 3 days of relief for the first time in years.

 

I have not tried this myself. However, I heard a positive report that I thought you might find interesting to know. I recently began seeing a therapist who has worked with some other tinnitus patients previously, to try to work on developing some better coping skills. He mentioned that two of his patients had independently discovered that they obtained some relief from pine bark extract. One of them apparently felt that their tinnitus went from a '10' to a '4'. It seems that it may take a while for the benefit to kick in, like a month or so.

I'm afraid I don't know any additional details beyond this. This was just something that came up in conversation when we were going over medicines I take and other similar kinds of general information. It was not a recommendation. I would be interested in knowing if anyone on the forum had any luck with this one. It seems like a pretty benign supplement to try.

 

Are you talking about this?

 

Yes. It seems doubtful that very many people have benefited or I suppose there would be a lot more written about it here. Nevertheless I felt it might be worth contributing what I had heard.

On reading more about it, it seems as though if it was going to provide any benefit, it would be something similar to ginkgo where it improves blood flow. A lot more people have tried ginkgo, and that only seems to help a small portion of people with tinnitus.

 

Anyone tried pycnogenol recently?

I'm going to give it a try as can't do any harm. Wondering if anyone else has any experience with it. My tinnitus is so bad that even a slight improvement would be welcome but I have never found anything to help yet and haven't tried anything for a while.

 

I've tried it. It's expensive and I'm not sure if it did anything. I'd be willing to try it again some time though.

 

5 days of 160mg and tinnitus is still terrible. Also have pressure feeling in ears. Maybe increased blood flow to ears is making me feel this pressure. Weird. Could pycnogenol do this?

 

I took pycnogenol for 2 months to help with my Meniere's, but I believe it made my symptoms worse.

 

This does nothing and quite expensive too.

 

Are you sure it's related?

 

I came across Pine Bark Extract a long time ago when I was into nutrition and network marketing. It is a safe tried and tested nutritional supplement with strong anti-oxidant properties. In the USA it is often sold under the brand name Pycnogenol.

I have ordered some and will try this next. Please refer to the link below.

https://www.clinicaleducation.org/news/tinnitus-treated-successfully-using-pine-bark-extract/

 

Hey all.
Wanted to share some research I came across from PubMed on the use of pine bark extract (under the trade name Pycnogenol) to treat mild to moderate tinnitus. The results looked promising. Besides the myriad anti-inflammatory and other amazing health benefits of this extract, researchers found it increases cochlear blood flow, and helped reduce tinnitus symptoms "in a short period of time." The extract can be purchased in bulk for relatively cheap.

You can read the study here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20657537

All the best to you guys.

 

Hey guys, I'm just wondering if anybody has tried pycnogenol religiously at a minimum dosage of 150mg for at least 3 months?.

I have found 3 academic articles in favour of pycnogenol to treat tinnitus.

87.3% of the 55 participants who took pycnogenol where completely asymptomatic after the 6 month period.


https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...ow+with+pycnogeno#d=gs_qabs&u=#p=anINa_h_tZkJ

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?...enol+tinnitus&oq=#d=gs_qabs&u=#p=698tu5De9JQJ

 

The papers are about Meniere’s and blood flow as main root causes. If you are here because of sensorineural hearing loss (as is the case for the immense majority), the likely outcome will be nothing.

 

I believe I'm here for blood flow because my tinnitus is not noise induced.

 

How do you know your tinnitus is not hearing loss related? In many cases, it does not matter the root cause that much if there is hearing loss. Get an audiogram to 16 kHz.

 

I had a full hearing test done and I have absolutely no hearing loss

 

If there is truly no hearing loss then you should get a very exhaustive blood work and health check to troubleshoot any possible problem that might have tinnitus as a symptom. If your diet is very rich in carbohydrates/sugar it might be a good time to review and go to a healthier one.
Most doctors will have very little interest to troubleshoot the tinnitus root cause, and you will have to be very proactive about the kind of tests you want.