Sleeping Pill? NOT Melatonin or Magnesium

I want to try to not take a benzo or wine to get to sleep. Does anyone take something like Ambien and it works long term without you having to take more and more? Also suggestions that you didn't have a spike in tinnitus.

I think I get little spikes the day after I take my Xanax.

 

Not sure which country you live, but here in Canada I can buy these balms made out of cannabis and essential oils. You don't smoke it, you rub some on your forehead, shoulder line, and wrists. Helps me sleep a straight ten hours through the night.

 

can you give me the detailed names of them? Thank you

 

Hi Marie. I've taken both Ambien and Lunesta. I've found them to be effective. They also have a sustained release form of Ambien, which I have not tried. While they are not intended to be taken every night, I have been on Ambien for weeks at a time and didn't notice any pronounced withdrawal symptoms or rebound insomnia. I think it's best to use them on an as-needed basis, though. I've felt benzodiazepine withdrawals and they are not pleasant. I view these medications as a much better alternative.

 

@Marie79

Other possibilities include Trazadone Remeron, diphenhydramine, and hydroxyzine. The former are antidepressants that can be used continuously or PRN. The latter two are sedating antihistamines.

 

Get your doctor to prescribe amitriptyline to you. I took it during the first month after the onset of my T. Amitriptyline is non-addictive. One 10mg pill, or 0.75 of a pill did not cause me to feel drowsy the next day.

 

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I use the "Sleep Well"

 

I've heard good things about DreamWater;
https://drinkdreamwater.com/

But I've never tried it. A few beers is my dream water!

 

Thank you! It doesn't make your T worse? That is obviously my worst fear

 

I take benzo's to get me through the day and to sleep on. I have been taking a certain dose for several weeks now and have not felt that i need more....it still works.

The benzo does nothing to my T, good or bad....but it makes me more calm and a bit more indifferent to it.

 

I second the amitriptyline. Good stuff, works well and keeps you asleep.

 

If you want to try the Tricyclic AD for sleeping, ask your doctor for Nortriptyline, it is the newer version of amitriptyline with less side effects. Mirtazapine is very popular here as an AD that will help you sleep; seems to have very few antadotical accounts of it flaring up peoples T as well.

Otherwise there is other more natural meds you could try:
5HTP (Recommend myself)
Pharmagaba
Valerian root
Passion flower.

Can I ask, why not just take Ambien? There is an extended release version out now too

Again with all this: Check with your doctor!!

 

The problem with benzo's is that, when you stop using them, you have to pay the piper - with interest. They should only be used occasionally, imo. The withdrawals are NOT fun.

 

If you do a very slow taper you are not supposed to get withdrawal symptoms.

 

That's the MD party line. It's not always as easy as it sounds.

 

It is one of those drugs that both has T as a side effect AND has been used to Treat T.

Another name for this drug is elavil
http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/elavil/tinnitus/
Note, above they report a fraction of all who had T - this is a fraction of everyone who reports having a side effect, it is NOT a fraction of everyone who took that drug.

http://www.ehealthme.com/ds/amitriptyline-hydrochloride/tinnitus/
is for the same drug (you can verify that it is for the same drug on
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amitriptyline )

There is a lot of research on the use of this drug to Treat T
https://scholar.google.ca/scholar?hl=en&q=Amitriptyline+tinnitus&btnG=&as_sdt=1,5&as_sdtp=

For example,
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...n_tinnitus/links/54f637780cf27d8ed71d6c1b.pdf
"
The use of amitriptyline at 10 mg three times per day for
10 weeks (in a single blind study) was compared to biofeed-
back, sham biofeedback or placebo drug in 225 tinnitus
patients (Podoshin et al., 1995). Exclusion criteria were
Meinere’s disease, acoustic neuroma and otosclerosis.
The amitriptyline group reported greater improvement
than either control group, but the biofeedback group
reported greater improvement than the amitriptyline
group. The improvement was asked about at rest and with
activity and no tinnitus questionnaires were used. No
change occurred in tinnitus loudness based on tinnitus
matching. No average age was provided (range was 23–
72 years old), nor was average tinnitus duration provided.
Fifty-three percent of the patients were men. No psycho-
logical measures were used and no specified tinnitus sever-
ity was required to enter the trial. It is presently unknown
whether therapeutic dose of antidepressants would be the
same for the treatment of tinnitus as for the treatment of
depression or anxiety disorders but the dose provided in
this study was much lower than the standard dose given
for depression or anxiety disorders of 50 mg to 150 mg
total daily dose.
In another study using higher doses of amitriptyline,
more definitively positive results were obtained. In a single
blind randomized placebo controlled trial (37 tinnitus
patients) of amitriptyline 100 mg vs. placebo for five weeks,
a significant decrease in subjective complaints of tinnitus,
as assessed by a modified version of the Tinnitus Patient
Survey by the American Tinnitus Association was reported
(Bayar et al., 2001). Additionally, there was a significant
decrease in tinnitus dB in the amitriptyline group but not
in the placebo group; the right ear revealed a 17 dB
decrease from pre- to post-treatment and the left ear a
13 dB decrease compared to a 2 and 4 dB increase for the
placebo group. The average age in this study was 41 years
old and 50% of patients were male. No average duration of
tinnitus was given but the range was from 4 to 20 years.
There was no severity required to get into this study. It
was noted in the publication that none of the patients
had a history of depression but it was not stated how this
was assessed. No follow up double blind studies using ami-
triptyline were conducted to our knowledge."

It hasn't had any impact on my T...

 

not always....

 

What is wrong with melatonin?

 

For some, it is not strong enough.

 

I get that...

SSRI's affect people differently... for me, it took a few weeks, but once it kicked in, the burning went away and I was able to sleep.

 

@Pleasure_Paulie, have you taken Pharmagaba? I bought a bottle a few weeks ago but haven't tried it. Does it calm anxiety?

@TheDanishGirl yes a very slow taper and you should be okay. And when you decide to quit I would use the liquid titration which I think is so much better than shaving off pills.

 

This subject is something that I think about constantly. To help me sleep I usually have a beer or 2, and then later on just a 1 milligram dose of melatonin, under my tongue. The give and take here is, I'm sure sleeping pills work, it's just that I'd rather take something natural, I don't want to depend on a sleeping pill, but, with drinking a beer or 2 it just might make my tinnitus worse, from what I have read so far. The beers calm me at night, and, they taste pretty darn good too. Sometimes I might have some red wine, but there is something in the wine also that is supposed to make tinnitus worse. You can read different things, a good beer, or red wine is supposed to be good for you, and some say not.

 

Lunesta actually helps with lowering the T volume for me. I usually take half a 3mg tablet to sleep every night. But when I actually need the extra strength for a night or two, I'll take the whole tablet. The higher the dose means the lower the volume of the T.

If I take a full 0.5mg of Xanax, then several hours later take a 200mg dose of liquid gel Advil the next few hours to the next day the T & H gets almost eliminated. Then it slowly seeps back.

When this happens the T is much more manageable and I would even be okay with that as the permanent volume. I'm hoping that the brain adjusts itself and then that particular neuron firing pattern becomes normal.

 

Imovane/zopiclone has really been helping me when i have difficulties sleeping. It has never spiked my t up or anything like that, i wake up feeling normal. Sometimes it can leave a metalic taste but other than that only good experiences with it.

 

Quetiapine works for me, let's me sleep 8-9h undisturbed. Doctor says it's non addictive

 

ambien is very much like a benzo, works on the gaba, just as addictive

 

along the same lines, CBD (one of the active ingredients in pot besides THC) is legal everywhere the US and can be used as a sleep aid

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-ultimate-guide-to-cbd-and-sleep_us_59b013e9e4b0c50640cd63a0