Using Bose QC35 Headphones with Noise-Induced Tinnitus?

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    1. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Does anyone use noise cancelling headphones like the Bose QC35??

      https://www.amazon.com/Bose-QuietComfort-Wireless-Headphones-Black/dp/B01E3SNO1G/

      Not being able to listen to music is killing me. Over speakers music just sounds like the speakers are broken :(

      With the Bose headphones I can at least listen to music a bit but I am concerned I could be doing more damage.

      I like the Bose as I can keep the volume low and still hear it :)

      Sometimes it seems to help the T, other times it seems to push it.

      Opinions??
       
    2. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      @Jason C I am an Audiophile and used to be an avid headphone listener until I got tinnitus and that twenty years ago. I haven't listened to audio through headphones since. Just giving you some advice: if you get tinnitus the right way and I hope that you don't, you will never want to listen to music through them again.
      I hope that's enough to make you think twice about using headphones.
       
    3. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Tinnitus the right way?? I already have T and mild hearing loss from a bloody alarm. music sounds like a broken speaker and all I want to do it listen to my music :(
       
    4. MikeP505
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      MikeP505 Member Benefactor

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      Ontario Canada
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      2011
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      Punishment for being so darn good looking!
      I believe that's the right way!!!
       
    5. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Well yes indeed. Tried and tested method.
       
    6. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
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      April /1996
      Indeed you do have tinnitus the right way. Just by your reaction I believe this to be true and wasn't being impolite or unsypathtic so please accept my sincere apologies. Therefore, I advise you to keep away from headphones as you risk making your tinnitus worse in my opinion.
      Michael
       
      Last edited: Oct 11, 2016
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    7. Nati
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      Nati Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      November 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      who knows...
      Really? I'm sure If the volume is low it's fine.. better to use over the ear type headphones, they are consider safer, again in low volume.
      Music is the only true masker for me.. hard to imagine living without it
       
    8. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      Many ent doctors have told their tinntus paients that's is fine to listen to audio through headphones only to find the tinnitus has become worse but not in all cases. It is risk and I would rather not take that risk
      Just remember if the tinnitus should get worse though headphone use the ENT dr won't be the one suffering.
       
    9. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      The problem for me is music now sounds like it's being played threw a broken speaker.

      If I listen at very low volume then it's just about ok. It's really killing me though not being able to enjoy music.
       
    10. Kazue

      Kazue Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/19/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      Ugh, I have the same problem. I recently just got T and I don't want to mess up the healing process. It's killing me not to listen to music so I just play it really low on a speaker for a short amount of time. Only when I'm doing homework though.
       
    11. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Does music sound broken too you??

      I find if I listen too music with my iPhone it's ok, obviously not the best sounding. But at least I can listen too some music.
       
    12. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      I advise you again Jason to learn to listen to music through speakers and not headphones no matter how the low the volume is set.
      Nati: If you are using headphones to mask your tinnitus (cover it up) it is the wrong thing to do and you will never habituate to your tinnitus in this way. I also advise you the same: leave headphones a lone as you are taking a risk of making your tinnitus worse even when played low. Please read the posts below.

      Should I mask my tinnitus?

      Tinnitus is a complex condition and if hyperacusis (sensitivity to sound) is present it is even more. Many newbies have difficulty coping with tinnitus and understandably, getting rid of this constant intruder, that has suddenly invaded their life becomes paramount on their mind. In an attempt to do this, they will usually try every means possible to distract themselves from the tinnitus which will include masking it completely with another sound so that it can’t be heard.

      However, tinnitus is quite resilient, any attempts to mask it completely are usually unsuccessful. As soon as the masking sound is removed or stopped temporarily, the brain will immediately focus back on it and often, it appears to be louder and more intrusive. This causes stress especially for someone new to tinnitus. For anyone that doesn’t know, the more stressed we are the tinnitus becomes more intrusive, and the louder the tinnitus is the more stressed we are. It can become a vicious circle.

      Anyone that is seasoned to tinnitus and has habituated, knows that trying to mask it completely so that it can’t be heard is not achievable. A much better way and preferred method that Hearing Therapists advise tinnitus patients, is to use sound enrichment. One can use music or nature sounds from a sound machine and set the volume slightly below the tinnitus. By doing this, the brain over time will learn to no longer see the tinnitus as a threat and gradually push the noise further into the background giving it less importance, which is called habituation.

      In-ear or BTE (behind the ear) white noise generators can also be used as part of TRT. They do a similar thing. By setting the volume slightly below the tinnitus, over time the brain habituates to the white noise and gradually pushes the tinnitus further into the background.

      Michael

      PS: in my opinion, anyone that has tinnitus, especially when it was caused by loud noise exposure, it is not a good idea to use headphones, even at low volume to play music or white noise for sound enrichment.

      Headphones and Tinnitus.

      The views on whether a person with tinnitus should listen to music through headphones are controversial. Some people show no adverse affects while others do even when the volume level is kept low.
      We are all different so the only way a one can know is to experiment for themselves if they want to. In my opinion, when the tinnitus was caused by exposure to loud noise/music and it has become intrusive - by this I mean a person having to seek help at ENT, then they shouldn’t listen to music through headphones no matter how low the volume is set.

      Most music has syncopation throughout its frequency range, so it’s constantly changing in pitch, rhythm and timbre. The beat of the music and volume can also change while listening. This evokes pleasure and can stir our emotions. This happens whether we listen to music loud or soft, although certain types of music does sound better played at a higher volume than others, and vice versa.

      Once the Cochlear in the inner ear becomes damaged by noise exposure, it is much more sensitive to sound. This is one of the reasons hyperacusis (sensitivity to sound) is often experienced with noise-induced tinnitus. The wearing of WNGs (white noise generators) as part of TRT treatment can often cure the condition. I have covered Hyperacusis and Habituation in a post further down in the forum.

      The organ of the Corti, which is attached to the Cochlear, has approximately 20,000 hair
      cells. These hair cells move to the vibration of sound and are just one of the components in the auditory system that enable us to hear. Someone that already has a sensitive auditory system due to noise-induced tinnitus and listens to music through headphones at a low volume, risks irritating the Cochlear further; this can make the tinnitus louder and more intrusive.

      In my opinion, it can be misleading when some health professionals tell tinnitus patients, listening to music through headphones is fine as long as long as the volume is kept low. These health professionals mean well and know a lot about the anatomy of the ear and therefore, it is not my intention to try and undermine their abilities or expertise. However, It must be said, that many of them have never experienced intrusive tinnitus. This leads me to say, one of my ENT consultant’s who is an Audiovestubular consultant, and someone that I have a lot of respect for, once told me that I know more about tinnitus than she/he. This person explained, for the simple reason they had never experienced it.

      I have spoken to people and corresponded with them by email and at Internet forums, complaining their tinnitus has become worse after listening to music through headphones even though the volume was kept low. My advice to anyone that has tinnitus that was caused by exposure to loud noise is not to listen to music through headphones, as the auditory system is more sensitive.

      White noise generators.
      Some may question the use white noise generators and in-ear types that emit white noise directly into the ear. White noise generators don’t usually irritate the auditory system due to the volume being kept low and its frequency range remains constant, so there is no syncopation within it unlike music.

      Although white noise generators can be bought privately to treat tinnitus I don’t advise anyone to do so, unless a Hearing Therapist/Audiologist has first tested their auditory system for suitability. A person must also be shown how to use these devices correctly, as improper use can make the tinnitus worse. Furthermore, they are normally used in conjunction with Tinnitus Retraining Therapy to get maximum benefit.

      Michael

      PS. I also don't advise listening to white noise, pink noise, brown, noise etc through headphones even at low volume. It is best to always be under the care of an ENT clinic /Hearing Therapist.
       
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    13. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      I'm not using the headphones just the built in speaker on the iPhone.
       
    14. Nati
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      Nati Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      November 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      who knows...
      Well your cochlea is being stimulated constantly through out the day.
      I don't use music to mask my tinnitus just not to hear it.. I love music and it's relaxing me and helping me to feel normal again.

      I think that being afraid of sound is what's was feeding my hyperacusis.

      I know headphones are not the safest and for sure wearing them all day long is not good. But for my T and the way I use it it seems fine.

      About white noise I'm not sure that anyone really knows what will happen if you will work your entire hearing range like that for a long period of time.. I don't like it and I'm always disappointed of how little doctors know about this area.

      I know plenty of people with tinnitus and hearing loss who just don't care, carry on with there life, play in bands, going to concerts and not even wearing ear plugs.. While I'm being tormented and destroyed by it.. why?!
      Some people are just not as sensitive I guess.. they worry about other things.
       
    15. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      You have said the operative words: " I know plenty of people with tinnitus and hearing loss who just don't care"
      Only when tinnitus becomes loud and intrusive and affects a person's wellbeing does it become a problem.
      Michael
       
    16. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Michael, do you have hearing loss with your T?

      I am curious as to how this works with being an audiophile. I was very much the audiophile before my t and hearing loss but now things just dont sound right at all.
       
    17. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      @Jason C No I don't have hearing loss which my consultant is very surprised about. She asked me do I take ginkobilo and I do, as a tincture for many years. She feels this has helped me.
      You haven't had tinnitus long and in the early days 20 years ago, when I had tinnitus. I couldn't listen to my hi-fi when I did my ear hurt (hyeracusis) even at low level and nothing sounded right. If you have hearing loss then it depends how severe? Also, are you having treatment at ENT? If so what treatment? I now enjoy my HI-FI a lot but never play it too loud. I keep sounds levels at around 70 decibels.
      Michael
       
    18. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Any idea what caused your T??

      I have mild hearing loss from a powerful alarm, basic audiogram shows a 5db dip at 4K but I suspect I have more loss in higher frequencies. I can hear just fine when talking to people etc, I'm not asking people to repeat themselves etc and their voices sound clear.
      Music does not sound right at all. Hyperacusis has improved although things are still too loud but I am beginning to think a lot of that is actually just me not wanting to go near loud noise.
      T today is pretty low, balance issues still present.

      Over the last week or so I feel my left ear is improving. The fullness seems a bit better. I am in month 5 now, I didn't do myself any favours by going on a long flight and 2 week holiday 1 month after the incident.
       
    19. Sam Bridge

      Sam Bridge Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music/gigs probably
      I have 30db dip at 3 and 4khz in my right ear. My left ear has normal hearing. Music sounds normal to me when i listen to it. 5db is not hearing loss either. Must be something else going on within your auditory system.
       
    20. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      @Jason C
      My tinnitus was caused by listening to headphones (Audiophile) over a long period of time. Was always careful of loud sounds but seems not careful enough.

      I doubt your hearing loss will affect your ability to hear good music through your HI-FI Start taking ginkgo bilioba is my advice. Avogel is a very good brand and take it as a tincture. Available in: 50mls and 100mls bottles. 15 drops 3x a day in a little water. Takes three months to start building up in the body.

      You are in the very early days of tinnitus and I was experiencing very similar things to you and more. Try not to let tinnitus dictate your life. Go on a flight do what you want to as if the tinnitus isn’t there but use noise-reducing earplugs when around loud sounds clubs, concerts etc.

      By doing everything that you want to, this will keep you confident and positive about the future, and you wont feel that tinnitus has is putting restrictions on your life. If one isn’t careful it’s easy get drawn into a downward spiral and that is no life at all!

      Michael
       
    21. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Thinking that myself, I am still waiting for an ent appointment. All I have had is a simple hearing test from a hearing aid specialist.

      It is puzzling. If my hearing loss is so slight why does music sound so broken. I understand hyperacusis causing sensitivity to loud noise but I don't understand why music sounds so wrong. I could understand it if my hearing loss was a lot worse! I even forget about having a hearing loss at times as voices and most other things sound ok apart from the T of course.
       
    22. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      Yes indeed and I am trying to be positive and do things. Not easy though. I feel busy environments make the t worse but it does seem to settle down. Today it is very low. I have even forgotten about it a few times today at work. Hopefully it's going the right way. I just put on some music at it still sounds crap, busted speaker buzzing kinda effect mostly in the left ear I think.
       
    23. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      @Jason C If you aren't using sound enrichment at night then I advise you to do so. Your auditory system I believe has suffered an acoustic trauma. This happens to many people exposed to loud sound who then develop tinnitus and hyperaucusis. I did, and if I tell you what I went though it'll probably scare you and others that might read this post, so less said about that.

      The ear and the whole auditory system is made up of nerves. Therefore, I advise you to take magnesium supplements: probably 300mg per day. Better still contact a herbalist who will be able to advise you. Tell him or her about the tinnitus and hyperaucusis and they'll advise you how much magnesium to take. It does work but it'll take time, and that is the key: time.
      Try not to look for quick results and although it's tempting try not to monitor your tinnitus too often. Many newbies do this and it can be a difficult habit to break although with time things get better.
      Michael
       
    24. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      It's deffo acoustic trauma, no doubt there. I am not expecting a quick fix, I just hope in time I can enjoy music again and be able to go to a restaurant etc without everything sounding crazy loud. Prior to this I believe my ears were in pretty good shape, I don't use headphones a lot at all and my music on speakers although loud was never crazy loud and I would never have ringing in the ears after listening too it.
      The stress of this is worse than the actual issue. I havnt used sound enrichment as I am finding it hard enough to sleep at night.
      How long did it take for things too improve for you?? I'm 5 months in almost and the hyperacusis has improved. I think my holiday and flying didn't help but none of this seemed to bother me much on holiday. (I was well medicated on Thai rum for much of the holiday lol)
       
    25. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      @Jason C
      You are not helping yourself by not using sound enrichment especially at night. Some people think that I don’t know what I’m talking about but I assure you that I do. I don’t want to come across as all knowing because I’m certainly not but, I do know about this:

      If you want to help yourself to get better then get a referral to an ENT clinic and see a Hearing Therapist. He or She will go through a series of treatment options that I’ve mentioned many times in this forum to the point where someone said to me a few days ago: “ Am I an Audiologist trying to promote my own business by selling TRT treatment” Hmm, It seems even when we try to help people someone thinks we are trying to scam them and make money. What a sad cynical world we now live in.

      Please read my Introduction to tinnitus, article it explains all about the treatment for tinnitus. Access it by clicking on my profile picture and look under started threads.

      Everyone that has tinnitus and hyperacusis it’s unique to them. If I tell you what I’ve been through or how long my recovery took you wont like to hear it and I can tell how stressed you are already, and I don’t want to cause you any more.
      Give it time. Use the sound enrichment at night – this is very important. Set the volume very low. It will help to desensitise your auditory system and it’s for this reason sound doesn’t sound right to you but it can be fixed but it takes time.

      Read my article and print it out it out if you can. Keep referring to the Positivity and tinnitus paper and the message will gradually sink in. What newbies don’t realize. They read some of the positivity threads at tinnitustalk and forget everything after they’ve finished reading it. My positive paper and others on this forum are all a form of counselling. My advice is to print the one’s that you like and keep referring to them. Tinnitus takes time to adjust to it doesn’t happen in few short months.

      Michael
       
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    26. Sam Bridge

      Sam Bridge Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music/gigs probably
      Michael

      So many people on here say not to go to concerts. What are your views on that?
       
    27. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Brighton, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      April /1996
      I say go to concerts and enjoy yourself but use noise reducing earplugs. Also, don't think that low Bass frequencies can't do any harm, because they can. Keep a way from the speakers. Life it too short to allow tinnitus to take over your life. Sadly, some people have allowed this to happen and at one point I was affected and had to stop and think. Please read the post below to get an idea of what I mean.
      Michael

      Food, drink and tinnitus

      Many years ago when I first got tinnitus, I wanted to learn as much as possible about it. I believed acquiring the right knowledge and being proactive was the best way forward in finding a cure. Like many people new to the condition I was desperate and going through a very difficult time. My appointment to be seen at ENT for the first time was six months away and it couldn’t come soon enough. Whenever I could manage it, I read books on tinnitus and it wasn’t long before I learnt certain foods and drinks could make it worse.

      The advice given was to keep a food diary and over a period of time, slowly omit certain foods and drink from one’s diet to see if there was a reduction of the tinnitus, and if there wasn’t reintroduce them. One of the main concerns was to avoid excessive salt and where possible reduce its intake. Cut down on red meat and avoid dairy products. Limit the use of sugar and refrain from drinking anything containing caffeine. It would mean missing my regular cup of coffee first thing in the morning but it would be worth it since I was on a mission and determined to succeed.

      Alcohol was best avoided. I wasn’t a regular drinker but enjoyed a glass of wine or brandy occasionally. Surprisingly, with the onset of my tinnitus I found a glass of wine during the evening helped to relax me. Everywhere that I went I had my notebook and pen writing down everything I eat or drank. At first there was a lot of enthusiasm but as the days and weeks passed this began to wane.

      Constantly reading the ingredients of every food item bought at the weekly shop can get tedious after a while, especially when there was no noticeable reduction in my tinnitus. I began to feel miserable and at times felt life wasn’t worth living. Having to cope with raging tinnitus and hyperacusis on one hand and monitoring every morsel of food and drink that passed my lips on the other. It just wasn’t a pleasant experience.

      I missed my regular cup of coffee because the caffeine free substitutes weren’t doing it for me. After enduring this for five weeks I decided enough was enough. I put my notebook and pen away and returned to my normal eating and drinking. I now looked forward to having a sirloin or ribeye steak without thinking is this going to increase my tinnitus, or eating a sugar coated jam doughnut or having yoghurt. One can easily be drawn into a world of paranoia over such issues if they aren’t careful. I became less stressed and I was no longer plagued with headaches, which can be a symptom of caffeine withdrawal.

      The result was no difference in my tinnitus or hyperacusis. Although they were still intrusive I felt life was more tolerable and I wasn’t constantly monitoring them to see if there was any reduction or increase as a result of what I eat or drank.

      There are many books on food, drink and tinnitus and the Internet is awash with this information. My advice to anyone that is new to this condition and wants to pursue this route then please do so with caution. In the early stages tinnitus can be very stressful and emotionally draining. Do you really want to put more pressure on yourself considering what I’ve mentioned above?

      It is true that some people are allergic to certain foods and drink and the preservatives withing them. Therefore, it’s important they be aware of what they consume. I had taken no such precautions before the onset of my tinnitus other than to eat and drink in moderation.

      Michael
       
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    28. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
      I havnt changed my diet at all. I'm at the gym 4 nights a week and have a high protine diet. I love red wine and Brandy (my downfall with the training) I won't change my diet and I won't stop the gym as it helps me feel normal although I have been telling the owners to turn the music down as it is usually banging in there. Lots of members have actually commented that it's better with the lower music now lol stress has not helped but the workout helps burn off the cortisol.

      On the subject of concerts, I really want to go to see guns n roses next year on their European tour. I will see how I am then and if I think it's possible I will be wearing muffs and plugs. I seen them in 2010, it was loud as fuck and my hearing was flat for a week. Awesome show though. It came back and all was well but I did tell myself at the time if I am ever going to a rock concert again I will use plugs.
       
    29. Jason C

      Jason C Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      29 May 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Burgler Alarm
    30. Sam Bridge

      Sam Bridge Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music/gigs probably
      Thats how i got tinnitus and some hearing los in one ear(no idea why my left ear isn't effected at all.

      Metallica,Iron Maiden, Avenged Sevenfold and loads more i have seen, great memories. Wish i had known what tinnitus/ear plugs were at the time. Its a big awareness issue at concerts.
       

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