How Can You Bring Down or Lessen Your Hyperacusis?

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    1. bekker

      bekker Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud noise / festival
      I read somewhere that bringing down your hyperacusis can solve your reactive tinnitus or lessen it. I've got ambulance noises triggered from sound outside. My hyperacusis is not so strong, I can walk in a big city with loud trucks and so, but some noises hurt like knife and forks or a horn. Or a loud voice close to me.

      How can I bring down my hyperacusis to solve the reactive part?
       
    2. Cityjohn
      Studious

      Cityjohn Member Team Research

      Location:
      Amsterdam
      Tinnitus Since:
      5:10 PM 03/02/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Food poisoning.
      Apparently many people here are helped by ear light therapy for H. It doesn't work at all for T though.
       
    3. bekker

      bekker Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud noise / festival
      I've searched for ear light therapy. Can't find it. What is it?
       
    4. Ring Ding

      Ring Ding Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      1985
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I would like to jump in here too. I'm pretty new to all this and having a hard time. I still have to go to work everyday and I work in Manhattan ! The last place you want to be with H ! My sound tolerance is changing all the time. Things that hurt before don't now but things that did not are now bothering me. Today my keyboard is hurting every time I type this. I've been to four doctors and three audiologists and no one has offered me any help at all. I went to NYU Hostipal and the guy was like good luck ! No pink noise therapy or steroids or anything were offered.

      If anyone has ANY suggestions please I'd love to hear them too.
       
    5. Bobby B
      Fine

      Bobby B Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      long term NIHL and recent acoustic trauma
      A combination of light therapy (Llllt , led ) and ear protection for 6 months will help to heal the nerves that are damaged.
      Did work for me and I got H from shooting rifles , almost no H anymore .
       
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    6. Ring Ding

      Ring Ding Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      1985
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      How did you find out about this light therapy ? Can I do it on my own ? I am amazed that not one person I went to go see offered any advice whatsoever. I am in New York city and you would think that at least a few doctors would know something but I guess not and I went to very respected medical facilities. What a let down.
       
    7. Ears Hurt

      Ears Hurt Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Whiplash or Buzzer (abuse from ex)
      @Cityjohn @Bobby B While on topic here, you know I started using the red LED lights for therapy. However, I've been starting to look into Lllt. What is the difference between the laser and LED usage in this therapy? And, what in you opinion feel is the better selection with the devices that are currently on the market verses home made?
       
    8. Sen
      Caffeine

      Sen Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      October, 2012.
      I take ativan every day. Eventually I'll have to stop though. Can't wait.
       
    9. Cityjohn
      Studious

      Cityjohn Member Team Research

      Location:
      Amsterdam
      Tinnitus Since:
      5:10 PM 03/02/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Food poisoning.
      I was referring to what is known here as LLLT, low level laser therapy. Searching for LLLT here on the forum will yield a lot of results.

      LLLT is still considered experimental, the reason for that is simply because the majority of doctors are not using it in healthcare. At university research groups however this has been used for about a decade to solve all sort of health issues. It is however better known among veterinarians for some reason whom use it to heal joint cartiledge and superficial wounds in horses for example.
      I'm sure Harvard medical practices would know this, they pioneered the method.

      Well personally I looked around to see what kind of light sources I could acquire on the open market and I had noticed that all the colors used for disc reading devices are readily available, like for CD and DVD players. But what I wanted was to find a light source tailored to the wavelength of the chromophores in the mitochondria, the peak wavelength for these has been shown multiple times to be centered on 600nm, p/m 25nm.
      Then I had also discussed the issue of saturation with one of my teachers and we came to the conclusion that a wider spectrum source would be much more beneficial when confronted with large molecular structure excitation. Simply put a hydrogen atom, the simplest atom around, can only be excited by 4 very specific wavelengths. The more complex an atom becomes the more complex the lines get, as shown below.
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      Now by the time we get to complex molecular structures there's no longer lines but a continuous spectrum with peaks and drops. My goal therefor is to provide a wider spectrum that has 600nm in it, or at least much more than a 650nm laser diode would. A laser diode's light consists of only one single wavelength and no other, which means 650nm would miss the chromophore peak by almost 100%. This is not to say that 650nm would not do anything, but it would be considerably less.
      In testing LED's I found them to have a preferred spectrum, much more closely resembling the 632nm of a Helium-Neon laser;

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      However it is worth noting that since a LED spreads out it's total power every single line within the peak get's much lower mW, about 2.5mW per unit wavelength. The perfect light therapy device for tinnitus would be a tunable 600nm light source which can be made but is expensive.. The Helium-Neon laser Dr. Wilden employs which seems to have helped in a lot of people gets close enough to the peak of the chromophores to have a big overlap, thus providing a lot of power where it is needed. A He-Ne laser is about 200,- to make so if LED LT does not work I'll go for that.

      My T has gone down by about 20% since I've started doing my LT but it's worth mentioning I've also been taking Pyrolloquinoline quinone, an agent that increases mitochondrial and therefor chromophore count, and multivitamins every day to make sure no cell can run out of transcription factors. And I had also previously employed a 50W LED brain stem deep LT device which I found was stimulating superficial nerves so much it gave me terrible headaches.

      TLDR:
      So to sum up, a laser would need to be as close to 600 as possible, of which there are none other than He-Ne which is off by 30nm and provides nothing in 600nm. A LED spreads its spectrum and is therefor much weaker per line but it does contain everything from 600nm to 650nm, with its peak in 630 just like the He-Ne laser. Furthermore molecules have a weird and wide absorption spectrum and therefor it is much wiser to use a spread spectrum light source than it is to use a laser, not least because all that power in a single wavelength is unlikely to be used by the body.

      I think my devices are a bit more clever than anything else on the market but I may be biased. Don't forget a nobel prize was won by students armed with nothing other than a crayon and some scotch tape a decade ago, so there's something to be said for simplicity. I Also bought the laser diodes initially and still have them but decided their spectrum was way off;

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    10. Cityjohn
      Studious

      Cityjohn Member Team Research

      Location:
      Amsterdam
      Tinnitus Since:
      5:10 PM 03/02/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Food poisoning.
      An excellent and relatively simple paper to read that will clarify most if not all questions concerning LLLT can be found here; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3288797/
      It's a relatively easy read for anyone, there's no need to understand the formulas and all the medical terms, the general idea will still come across fine. It can be read in about 30min.
       
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    11. Cityjohn
      Studious

      Cityjohn Member Team Research

      Location:
      Amsterdam
      Tinnitus Since:
      5:10 PM 03/02/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Food poisoning.
      Hyperacusis;

      I had forgot to mention my hyperacusis. I was at an indoors airsoft arena the whole day last Sunday with loud metal music and all sort of explosions and I didn't experience any discomfort. Whereas I can remember train tracks screeching and the refrigerators at the supermarket both hurt quite a bit. Where tinnitus is more likely a brain stem problem I believe hyperacusis is most definitely an inner ear problem therefor I had suggested "Ear" LLLT as a possible outcome.
       
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    12. Ears Hurt

      Ears Hurt Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Whiplash or Buzzer (abuse from ex)
      @City John A BIG THANK YOU once again! I am going to continue to use the red LEDs in your honor. I am definitely noticing changes, so I am going to keep going with them. I am also taking PPQ and a basic multi-vitamin with the light therapy. I've also changed my diet and started exercising too. I do still have a little bit of vertigo, but it is nothing like the first time I using them. Are you still wearing them all day?
       
    13. Cityjohn
      Studious

      Cityjohn Member Team Research

      Location:
      Amsterdam
      Tinnitus Since:
      5:10 PM 03/02/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Food poisoning.
      Yeah I put them in when I'm alone i.e nobody other than my partner is around :) which totals about 6 hours per day at the moment.
       
    14. Sen
      Caffeine

      Sen Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      October, 2012.
      @Cityjohn can you tell me about what you're talking about? I am curious
       
    15. Ring Ding

      Ring Ding Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      1985
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      That seems very interesting but if my wife see's me trying to build a laser to shoot into my ear I will be headed for divorce. I might already be heading there because of all this shit I'm suffering through. She just doesn't understand what it is really like and expects me to just be normal and not bring it up.
       
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