I'm in a Catch-22 Over Using Valium to Help with Alcohol Withdrawal and Not Making Tinnitus Worse

Discussion in 'Support' started by eric_michaels, May 3, 2023.

    1. eric_michaels

      eric_michaels Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud music
      I'm in a real pickle now... I've been battling alcohol for some time. It was an issue before tinnitus, but now it's worse because I use alcohol for the stress and sleep. I get withdrawals if I stop, so it's not good....

      Anyway, my problem is this: Valium really helps with alcohol withdrawal, but the downside is, it's listed as an ototoxic drug that can cause tinnitus. Usually I read that only happens during withdrawal (from Valium) after prolonged use - I would only need to take it for 3 or 4 days. However, I'm scared off by seeing Valium listed as ototoxic, and as a drug that can cause tinnitus. So it's a catch-22.

      Here is an article on ototoxic drugs:

      Ototoxicity: The Hidden Menace - PMC (nih.gov)
      So this makes it sound like Valium can cause actual damage. I'd be taking 40 mg a night for 3 nights.

      Any thoughts would be appreciated.
       
    2. jjflyman

      jjflyman Member

      Location:
      Michigan, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise (Concert)
      I'm no expert in alcohol withdrawal or Valium, But if it were me, there is no way I would ever take anything that is a known ototoxic. No way.
       
    3. DebInAustralia
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      Maybe ask someone on BenzoBuddies.
       
    4. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Viral/noise
      @eric_michaels, where on earth does it say Diazepam causes damage to hearing? Absolute nonsense. Alcohol might be ototoxic but only very few medications are. Paranoia.
       
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    5. makeyourownluck
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      makeyourownluck Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      I’ve been taking Diazepam pretty regularly for the past 4-5 months - no real issues. Occasionally I would have a day where I didn’t take it, just so I didn’t get addicted.

      I was on only on 15 mg daily, but I’m switching to a different muscle relaxer now which is better for long term use.
       
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    6. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Viral/noise
      15 mg is quite a high dose. Can you function on it?
       
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      eric_michaels

      eric_michaels Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud music
      Plenty of sources say this (1, 2).

      This is something you have to pay for, I did last night and read the whole thing. Diazepam is listed as being cochlear-ototoxic:

      Drug-Induced Ototoxicity: A Comprehensive Review and Reference Guide

      Valium and benzos are listed all over the place as being ototoxic.
      I would be doing 40-50 mg a night for the withdrawal.
       
    8. annV
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      unknown - possibly hereditary

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    9. Óscar PP
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      Coronavirus
      Doesn't Naltrexone mitigate the withdrawal symptoms? Some people even had improvement of their tinnitus while on Low Dose Naltrexone, so maybe you should give it a thought.
       
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      eric_michaels

      eric_michaels Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud music
      Yes, you'll see Diazepam is there.
       
    11. Ryan Scott
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      Ryan Scott Member

      Location:
      Louisiana
      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Induced
      Trazodone and Diazepam are on the list, you really can't win with tinnitus. I did a fair amount of research in engineering school. You always have to question if the results can be reproduced and the methods used for the evaluation. But it still makes you very skeptical when you see a drug classified as ototoxic on a research paper.
       
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    12. Matchbox
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      08/2020
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      Noise Induced, Prednisone (drones), Barotrauma (distortions)
      There's absolutely no credible evidence benzos harm the ear or nerves.

      Now they CAN and do cause irreversible (or extremely long term) tinnitus, not through toxicity, but GABA dysregulation that never really gets better due to receptor conformation changes (which are very stable, and very slow to degrade).

      There's very little you can do except ride it out, maybe try a GABA antagonist to help wean the receptors into upregulating again, but that's very dangerous and near impossible outside a hospital setting to do (the few studies I saw using it to get over long term benzo withdrawal, there was a lonnnnnng lapse, years... after the patients were absolutely clean of any depressants).
       
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    13. makeyourownluck
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      To be honest, i don’t notice any functional difference. No side effects, just relaxed muscles. Occasionally I’ll fall asleep but only when I am tired anyway (usually when I’m trying to meditate before bed).

      I seem not to get many side effects from drugs.
       
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    14. Ryan Scott
      Inspired

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      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2022
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise Induced
      I'm just going to go ahead and make the assumption that you in fact did not read the research paper attached in the thread because it contradicts what you are saying.
       
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    15. Nick47

      Nick47 Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      2015
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      Viral/noise
      The ones listed as 'A' level of evidence certainly need attention. 'B' are contentious. 'C' level evidence is a handful of patients blaming it for their problems and extremely weak evidence. Vitamin D is on there at grade 'C' evidence.
       
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      eric_michaels

      eric_michaels Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud music
      Oxazepam is listed as "no" for ototoxicity. I did some further research that supported this.

      Klonopin seems to be the most effective, but I don't see it listed here so I didn't risk it.

      I got Oxazepam, it's working great.
       
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