What Makes Tinnitus Permanent?

Discussion in 'Support' started by CarloZ, Oct 18, 2015.

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    1. CarloZ

      CarloZ Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      September 3, 2015
      What makes tinnitus permanent? Does damaged hair cells mean guaranteed permanent tinnitus? If I listened to loud earphones for the past few years does that mean it permanent for sure?
       
    2. Blujay

      Blujay Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/1900
      No one knows for sure.
       
    3. svg1204

      svg1204 Member

      Location:
      Dallas
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/04/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Headphones maybe?not sure really.
      I know that tinnitus is not permanent sometimes it just takes way tooooo long to go away sometimes even 20 years to go away, it depends, everyone is different, but the way research is going, people will be rid of it in a about 5 years or less
       
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    4. CarloZ

      CarloZ Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      September 3, 2015
      I doubt it. I'm sure there will be treatments soon that will reduce it but tinnitus sounds too complicated to be cured completely so soon. Maybe in 15 years.
       
    5. svg1204

      svg1204 Member

      Location:
      Dallas
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/04/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Headphones maybe?not sure really.
      Honest,y I believe 5 is causing the governments waaaaay to much money just on the vets disability payments and the problem is growing by leaps and bounds, it used to be more of a old people problem, but thanks to gaming headsets, beats audio, and what not, now you have young generation with this problem, so I think 5 years is good
       
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    6. linearb
      Psychedelic

      linearb Member Hall of Fame

      Location:
      East Coast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      1998
      The prevailing theory at present is that maladaptive neuroplastic changes happen in the thalamus, which is the party of the brain that's supposed to filter out excess information before your aware of it consciously. Everyone has a ton of extra noise in their sensory feed, at all times. If your thalamus is intact and you don't have extra noise was a result of ear damage, then you're not consciously aware of this excess data.
       
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    7. svg1204

      svg1204 Member

      Location:
      Dallas
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/04/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Headphones maybe?not sure really.
      English please the only thing I understood is thalamus, I thought or saw on the news that scientists found the root of the cause of tinnitus
       
    8. glynis-harbron
      Feminine

      glynis-harbron Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Ambassador Team Awareness Team Research

      Location:
      England, Stoke-on-Trent
      Tinnitus Since:
      2004
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Meniere's Disease
      For myself it is for ever but due to a progressive disease Menieres.
      I always live in hope their will be a cure for most medical problems .
      Staying positive and loving life is me fighting back and staying strong ..... lots of love glynis
       
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    9. linearb
      Psychedelic

      linearb Member Hall of Fame

      Location:
      East Coast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      1998
      My layman's understating is that the information path for audio perception works something like this: vibrations of the ear drum cause specialized hair cells in the cochlea of the ear to release glutamate, which causes nerves connected directly to them to start sending information. Those nerves are connected to the auditory cortex in the brain, which generates a percept, the internal representation of the sound, which is what we hear consciously.

      That information spreads out through the brain, and as I understand it, the thalamus has circuits in it which filter and transform the sound before or as we are aware of it. I've seen this described somewhere as analogous to an "active cancellation" system, such as Bose noise cancelling headphones.

      People with intrusive tinnitus have been shown in a couple studies to have brain differences from people without tinnitus, without significant differences in hearing tests.

      It's not just hair cells; most people over the age of 30 are missing some high frequency hearing, but 85% of them don't have tinnitus.

      I'm sorry if that's too wordy or vague; I guess the bottom line is that the OP asked a very difficult question which can at best be partially answered, and not without getting vertigo from the depth of the material.
       
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    10. SoulStation
      No Mood

      SoulStation Member Ambassador Team Tech

      Location:
      New York
      Tinnitus Since:
      2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise / Possible Medication
      My question is what role do you think GABA plays in this theory? For me its evident it plays a role which has been confirmed via SPECT imaging in several severe chronic cases.
       
    11. truesilence

      truesilence Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2014
      What about the the dorsal cochlear network? Does the sound get processed here before it is received by the auditory cortex?
       
    12. linearb
      Psychedelic

      linearb Member Hall of Fame

      Location:
      East Coast USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      1998
      GABA is the brakes in the system. There are long, spindly nerve fibers with GABA receptors on them that transverse the thalamus / insula. Dysfunction leading to hyperactivity is inherently tied to GABA/glutamate activity.
       
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    13. hoper
      Happy

      hoper Member

      Location:
      AUSTRIA
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2014
      my T is not permanent.
      i have no T when i sleep or in my dreams. my T starts 10 seconds after i woke up.
      so not really permanent T
       
    14. Sgguy46
      Jaded

      Sgguy46 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Stress
      I have the exact same kind of T
       
    15. grate_biff
      No Mood

      grate_biff Member

      Location:
      Oslo, Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      aucustic trauma, benzo withdrawl or both
      I can hear mine when I wake up. Very faint for 10-20 sec and then Bam... Unmaskable torture for the rest of the day until I take my Remeron at night which takes it down a notch. Then, next morning again I am off to see if the fucking Groundhog sees his shadow...
       
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    16. hoper
      Happy

      hoper Member

      Location:
      AUSTRIA
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2014
      this is how i wake up when i hear my T again

      tumblr_mzb1i8u6Od1t0cscho1_250.gif
       
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    17. Tom Cnyc

      Tom Cnyc Member

      Location:
      NYC
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Warehouse event after years of enjoying music.
      shit luck, essentially.
       
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    18. Owen
      Disappointed

      Owen Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unclear. Inflammatory allergic reaction/AIED
      Since mine comes and goes - that is, it disappears completely for a few hours and this occurs each and every day, I also believe that mine is not permanent. One day it'll go and my brain just won't find it again.
       
    19. Path Maker

      Path Maker Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic
      I think in at least some presentations of tinnitus, there is the possibility for positive neuroplastic changes to occur.

      The timeline is indeterminate. But the brain makes constant changes and adjustments, always. There's no magic button to access this. But I think we have some influence on the process with our choices and actions.

      Anyway, it pays to make positive health changes regardless.

      I don't think all tinnitus is permanent. It's just such a confounding thing <<--(please substitute your favorite expletive - or series of expletives -- for the word "thing"! :) :mad: ).
       
    20. stophiss

      stophiss Member

      Location:
      Florida
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      too full a life
      Agree. Its a brain processing issue that morphs over time, reaches a threshold and once the proverbial genie it out of the bottle, neuro firing develops memory. Scientists so far haven't figured out how to bend this complex arc and reverse this trend. Of course we try thru a host of techniques from chiropractic manipulation to sinus meds to dopamine related meds to meditation to countless dollars thrown at ENT's probing around our bodies without having a clue.. Like bringing a garden hose to a forest fire.
      Tinnitus to me is so difficult to unravel because it relates to how the brain fires or rather misfires based many times relative to aging hardware...like cochlea's losing their hair count in different frequency zones...tympanic membranes losing their elasticity...neuro pathways that don't transmit electricity with the efficiency they once did hence forging different paths . We lose hairs in our cochlea throughout our lives. There are many hard of hearing without tinnitus. So it is largely how the brain fires but many other factors as well. To me, its based upon neuroplasticity that inexplicably goes off the track based upon a variety of genetic and environment factors as mentioned.

      http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=40362
       
    21. Vaba
      Shitfaced

      Vaba Member

      Location:
      New New York
      Tinnitus Since:
      Unknown
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown. Gradual, Progressive
      I wish I knew!

      All I know is that when I was 14, I had one of those old CRT TVs with the fat back that make that annoying high-pitched whine. One night, in the dark and the silence, I turned the TV off... but the high-pitched whine didn't stop.

      No noise exposure (other than normal over-ear headphone use), no dangerous ototoxic drugs, no nothing, just chronic T and pain - and then a cocktail of psych. drugs (mostly SSRIs) to "help me cope" with the noise - which ultimately blew out some of my ability to think and made the T worse.
       
    22. Richard zurowski

      Richard zurowski Member Benefactor

      Location:
      England
      Tinnitus Since:
      27/12/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ear infection.
      Well all I know is that we all have it What ever shape or form it come in. When there is a cure or there is some kind of medication that we can take to bring the noise down to a tolerable level. Boy!! Are We are we going to have one hell of a party!!!!
       
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    23. stophiss

      stophiss Member

      Location:
      Florida
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      too full a life
      Nice thought but I believe too simplistic. If you watch the 'will a Tinnitus cure become available' thread of videos, the recurrent theme is tinnitus is a 'heterogeneous' issue. Translation, there are many moving parts with potentially many causes...some mechanical...some chemical which even changes brain chemistry and how neurons fire over time.
      So there are different reasons for tinnitus and there won't be a miracle cure because at the end of the day, the brain processes the input it gets from its apparatus and likely no single drug will separate the sound we don't want versus the sound we do. There is a reason this hasn't been solved already or a given drug isn't administered like candy to separate out unwanted sound....its a really complex disease.

      I will give you an analog in the human body. How does the brain process sight? How do we address eye problems? Eye problems are generally addressed mechanically...by operations on the eye which change its sensing ability...from cataract to Lasik surgery for example. Ever hear of somebody going temporarily blind or developing double vision during a Migraine attack? This is chemical and affects how the brain processes the mechanical information it receives from what might be perfectly good eyes.

      So reasons for tinnitus are manifold and a single prong approach won't fix everybody's' T.
       
    24. Alue

      Alue Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      A quiet party!
       
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    25. Path Maker

      Path Maker Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic
      Exactly!
       

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