Good Quality, Slick Safety Earmuffs

[Jiri]

@GregCA To me it felt you were a little unkind. Maybe it was my headache and T and I misinterpreted what you actually meant.

I asked clear questions, and expected some answers. I then received only more questions some of which weren't even related to the topic of a discussion. That's all. Let's draw a line under it and let it be.

And don't worry, no one is dragging you into anything.

P.S.: It wasn't asking for the clarification on the sentence that I felt was a tad across the line. But you know what? It doesn't matter.

 

[sjtinguy]

So now what? More hearing protection or less is better for tinnitus ppl?

I have muffs that reduce by 28db and I feel like they are too strong for many situation where I would like some minor protection.. but I got really tired of using ear plugs which are the only option in the ~10db reduction range. If i could find some muffs that offered half as much protection as my current pair I would like to use those

I feel like the really strong plugs and muffs exacerbate hyperacusis/phonophobia too because you get used to everything being really quiet so all of the sudden moderately loud sounds start to become too loud. I have noticed if I intermittently remove my muffs when it is quiet enough that my tinnitus gets loud, and also dont wear them for hours straight that it helps your ears know what is normal level sound.

 

[sjtinguy]

Doesn't the canceling speaker face away from the ear?

no they point toward your ear like other headphones... but I don't know much about them so my theory could be wrong, I'm just weary of putting any kind of speakers that close to my ears these days honestly

 

[Jiri]

I have muffs that reduce by 28db and I feel like they are too strong for many situation where I would like some minor protection.. but I got really tired of using ear plugs which are the only option in the ~10db reduction range. If i could find some muffs that offered half as much protection as my current pair I would like to use those

I feel like the really strong plugs and muffs exacerbate hyperacusis/phonophobia too because you get used to everything being really quiet so all of the sudden moderately loud sounds start to become too loud. I have noticed if I intermittently remove my muffs when it is quiet enough that my tinnitus gets loud, and also dont wear them for hours straight that it helps your ears know what is normal level sound.

Thank you for your answer. Straight question and a straight answer back. I've got -27,5 NRR earmuffs, I can hear others speak but a lot of the time I feel like I'm actually listening to my own tinnitus that seems louder. With earplugs it's even worse. They're -32 dB NRR. I was initially deciding to go with the Silenta Supermax -30 dB NRR but now I'm thinking more Peltor Sport - 22 dB NRR. Perhaps 3M is right and more isn't always the better option.

 

[Fangen]

I couldn't find the description NRR 31 dB. Only on different sites that it is somewhere around 21 dB :/ I was quite disappointed bec I found the same model in black and wanted to get it. However, it's gotta be around 30 dB NRR.

Oh and btw, remember like I told you we're gonna calculate the noise blast of fireworks over distance in dB? Here you go: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...levels-in-db-over-distance.25880/#post-297978

Hi Jiri, sorry for the late reply.

Here is a screenshot from the link to my earmuffs, I believe you are looking at the same brand but a different model (which would explain the different NRR).

 

[Jiri]

Hi Jiri, sorry for the late reply.

Here is a screenshot from the link to my earmuffs, I believe you are looking at the same brand but a different model (which would explain the different NRR).

Whoa, that's great and thanks for sharing! Did you already get them? Do you feel like the NRR is really 31 dB and not just a lie? Also, could you, please, reshare the link one more time where you got them from?

And how is your t flare up btw? Do you feel any better?

Thanks,

Jiri

 

[Fangen]

Whoa, that's great and thanks for sharing! Did you already get them? Do you feel like the NRR is really 31 dB and not just a lie? Also, could you, please, reshare the link one more time where you got them from?

And how is your t flare up btw? Do you feel any better?

Thanks,

Jiri

Not yet, they were shipped last week and should be here sometime this week. I'll compare by Peltor X4A with these when I get them and let you know how I think they compare. It is on paper only 2db difference but we'll see! I'll test it out at home by the fan over the kitchen and the tv (safe levels and different noises, one that is white noise and the tv that gives out speech and music) and I'll come back with my review on the new one.

Link here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toennesen-Defenders-Protection-Hearing-Reduction/dp/B072QYR918

It is still spiking, sometimes it feels like it is getting closer to baseline, some other days it feels like it is still spiking (so very hard to tell how the progress is) and tone comes and goes in both ears. Anxiety-wise it is better than at the time of the incident, however someone fired off a firework outside my window very late on NYE when I was just about to sleep (so I didn't have my muffs on due to well.. I can't sleep with them and earplugs hurt my ears) and scared the crap out of me. It was way over midnight and had been quiet for at least 30 min but some idiot fired one off anyway and it was loud. All windows were closed but it doesn't help my progress and set me worrying again. Thank you for asking!

 

[Jiri]

Not yet, they were shipped last week and should be here sometime this week. I'll compare by Peltor X4A with these when I get them and let you know how I think they compare. It is on paper only 2db difference but we'll see! I'll test it out at home by the fan over the kitchen and the tv (safe levels and different noises, one that is white noise and the tv that gives out speech and music) and I'll come back with my review on the new one.

This is a great idea. Certainly do the review if you can and come back with the results. I'm seriously considering getting these as well, same colour too.

It is still spiking, sometimes it feels like it is getting closer to baseline, some other days it feels like it is still spiking (so very hard to tell how the progress is) and tone comes and goes in both ears.

I think, just my unprofessional opinion, that when it keeps changing goes back to baseline then spikes again, then that should be a good sign. Your body is certainly doing something with it.

Well, as for fireworks I already mentioned the calculated noise in dB over distance and posted the link somewhere around here. Now that the New Year's Eve ended I think you need not to worry about some more sudden fireworks.

 

[Fangen]

This is a great idea. Certainly do the review if you can and come back with the results. I'm seriously considering getting these as well, same colour too.


I think, just my unprofessional opinion, that when it keeps changing goes back to baseline then spikes again, then that should be a good sign. Your body is certainly doing something with it.

Well, as for fireworks I already mentioned the calculated noise in dB over distance and posted the link somewhere around here. Now that the New Year's Eve ended I think you need not to worry about some more sudden fireworks.

I hope the brand logo can be removed without affecting the color, that way it really looks like any pair of headphones out there.

As of the spike, it is not back to baseline completely but going down at least, and up etc.
For the fireworks, I was inside so not sure how much the windows block, therefore a bit hard to calculate the extra protection the building gives you. It was a sec but mostly scary because it felt like it was very close. Didn't notice the same spike like I had with the firework outside so at least there is that.

I'll review it ASAP when I get them, hopefully, I can give you an answer within the week. I'll also use them to and from work (I take the subway) and I can also review it in normal "city noises".

 

[Jiri]

that way it really looks like any pair of headphones out there.

Precisely.

For the fireworks, I was inside so not sure how much the windows block, therefore a bit hard to calculate the extra protection the building gives you.

It is all calculated here with the windows as a 'protection' included. It was calculated by a technical engineer whose opinion I trust: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/fireworks-noise-levels-in-db-over-distance.25880/

And as for the e. muffs Toennesen I saw these, they come in black but offer less protection (-21 dB NRR) is why I got confused: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toennesen-Protection-Adjustable-Defenders-Reduction/dp/B01MQH4GCX?th=1

 

[JurgenG]

I have muffs that reduce by 28db and I feel like they are too strong for many situation where I would like some minor protection.. but I got really tired of using ear plugs which are the only option in the ~10db reduction range. If i could find some muffs that offered half as much protection as my current pair I would like to use those

I feel like the really strong plugs and muffs exacerbate hyperacusis/phonophobia too because you get used to everything being really quiet so all of the sudden moderately loud sounds start to become too loud. I have noticed if I intermittently remove my muffs when it is quiet enough that my tinnitus gets loud, and also dont wear them for hours straight that it helps your ears know what is normal level sound.

Why don't you just wear plugs when it's not too loud?
I only use muffs when the levels are above 95 dB (where I rarely ever am). Or when I need it to be more quiet, because of other reasons, when I don't want to hear anything from my enviroment.

 

[sjtinguy]

Why don't you just wear plugs when it's not too loud?

I wore plugs for a month and they started to become really irritating in my ear canal. Plus the foam ones are a pain to insert properly and so they can't be removed as easily. With the muffs it's much easier to take them on and off

 

[Fangen]

Precisely.


It is all calculated here with the windows as a 'protection' included. It was calculated by a technical engineer whose opinion I trust: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/fireworks-noise-levels-in-db-over-distance.25880/

And as for the e. muffs Toennesen I saw these, they come in black but offer less protection (-21 dB NRR) is why I got confused: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Toennesen-Protection-Adjustable-Defenders-Reduction/dp/B01MQH4GCX?th=1

So that would make the firework be around 140-130 db if it was outside my window :/ It was loud but 140 db is at the pain threshold and it was NOT that loud or I'd be in a major spike or deaf again. Being exposed outside at a longer distance (a few meters) was louder and more harmful to my hears (considering my spike from firework outside vs inside).

 

[Jiri]

and so they can't be removed as easily

I use Ohropax earplugs soft and never had any problems with them. Can recommend.

So that would make the firework be around 140-130 db if it was outside my window

Well, depends also on the type of glass but if it was RIGHT outside of your window then, yes. That'd be really bad. My guess is it could break your window potentially too. We used a logarithmic scale. Equations to calculate how the sound wave expands into all directions and then add a window as a protector was not easy. That's why I let someone else to do it lol Instructions were used using the info on the websites I shared somewhere on this forum. Then it's quite easy.

Anyway, I hope you feel better and continue to improve. Do you think you could take a selfie with those earmuffs on, just so I can get a better picture of what they look like "in action". You can PM that pic. I couldn't find it on the net.

 

[sjtinguy]

I use Ohropax earplugs soft and never had any problems with them. Can recommend.

All foam ear plugs take time to expand in your ear canal to get a proper fit.. it's much faster to just throw on the muffs. I ride my bike and quickly put the muffs on while I'm riding if I get into a loud environment. I came up on a marching band earlier today and was able to put the muffs on without having to stop. Never would happen with plugs.. I'd either have to wear them the whole time or stop and put them in then stop again to take them out.

 

[Fangen]

I use Ohropax earplugs soft and never had any problems with them. Can recommend.


Well, depends also on the type of glass but if it was RIGHT outside of your window then, yes. That'd be really bad. My guess is it could break your window potentially too. We used a logarithmic scale. Equations to calculate how the sound wave expands into all directions and then add a window as a protector was not easy. That's why I let someone else to do it lol Instructions were used using the info on the websites I shared somewhere on this forum. Then it's quite easy.

Anyway, I hope you feel better and continue to improve. Do you think you could take a selfie with those earmuffs on, just so I can get a better picture of what they look like "in action". You can PM that pic. I couldn't find it on the net.

Yeah I assume it was a rocket kind of firework so they "exploded" in the air and not on street level. I mean, it was loud but highly doubt it was close to 140 db. In that case I'd be home crying by now :/ and I get scares very easily! The chart also said it did not take into account wind and temperature so that might also change things I guess. Does the chart take into account if you are inside or only possible trees/walls/buildings outside (if you are outside) where the soundwave can bounce?

Yes I can, hopefully I get it by tomorrow that's at least what it says on the website, I'll PM you a picture!

 

[Jiri]

The chart also said it did not take into account wind and temperature

It didn't take into account speed of wind but it did take into account temperature Check out the footnote. The chart takes into account possible obstructions to the sound blast like trees or if you're inside the building - windows (but there are also different types of windows (single, double glazed windows etc.). This is not all that easy to calculate and the equations used were the ones mentioned in the links in your thread. However, the final result chart is easy to understand imo and is reliable. It gives you an idea of how strong sound wave reaches you over certain distance.

Anyway, just so you know I ordered those same earmuffs today too. There were only 4 left in stock and I didn't want to take my chances

 

[Jiri]

All foam ear plugs take time to expand in your ear canal to get a proper fit.. it's much faster to just throw on the muffs. I ride my bike and quickly put the muffs on while I'm riding if I get into a loud environment. I came up on a marching band earlier today and was able to put the muffs on without having to stop. Never would happen with plugs.. I'd either have to wear them the whole time or stop and put them in then stop again to take them out.

True. It takes only about 60 sec to expand + you get - 32 dB on average NRR. Also, as someone else mentioned you never know what sudden loud noise danger might occur, like someone honking the horne, ppl shouting at each other, siren, firecracker the list is endless pretty much. With earplugs you're protected all the time and if you fit them well in the streets hardly anybody notices. I hear your point tho, that's why I'm getting these new muffs.