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How a Furnace Gave Me Severe Tinnitus and What the Last 7 Months Have Been Like

Sonia554

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Author
Aug 17, 2025
72
Tinnitus Since
01/2025
Cause of Tinnitus
acoustic trauma
TL;DR: I got tinnitus from a home furnace in January 2025. It started as a 10/10 siren. Doctors were useless. I lived in misery for six months, but now in Month 7 I'm finally seeing signs of relief. Along the way I've had many spikes that felt like regressions, especially after trips to stores. I've been using sound therapy videos on YouTube indoors, with no masking outdoors. I also used ChatGPT to curate recovery stories for me, since there are too many horror stories and too many people telling others their tinnitus is permanent after only a week.

I've been lurking here on and off for years. I always had very low-level, non-intrusive, non-reactive tinnitus in my left ear, which I only noticed occasionally. It usually had no impact on my life, except for maybe one or two days each spring when allergies caused a flare-up.

But in January 2025, I made a very stupid mistake. I thought my furnace was making a strange noise, so I stood way too close to it in an enclosed space for an entire cycle. It didn't seem loud at all, and I had done this many times before with no effect. But a few days later, I developed absolutely screaming tinnitus in both ears. At first, I didn't think much of it. In my past experience, tinnitus flares calmed down in a few days. It was distracting and awful, but I wasn't scared and didn't panic—until it didn't go away.

Now it's been about six and a half months (I can't remember the exact date, somewhere between late January and mid-February), and I finally decided to post here. I want to see if I can find supportive people and also try to be supportive for others. I've stayed away until now because there are a lot of hurting people here, and sometimes that hurt spills over in harmful ways—like telling someone who's had tinnitus for only a week that it will never go away. That's not fair. We need hope.

The first months:
My memory of the early period is a bit foggy because I really thought it would go away quickly. I believe the tinnitus set in slowly, days after the exposure, and ramped up over three or four days. I didn't connect it to the furnace right away, but in hindsight that's the only plausible cause. The worst of the screaming 10/10 tinnitus lasted maybe a week. I was still working, driving, shopping, and living normally, with no major impact on my well-being.

After that, it dropped to maybe a 4 or 5/10. I was masking indoors but not outdoors. Both ears hurt mildly. I still believed it would resolve soon. But by March 1, it hadn't, so I went to urgent care. The doctor's first response when I mentioned tinnitus was, "Oh no, that's permanent. We can't do anything about that." She didn't ask me a single question or examine me before declaring it permanent. This kind of response should be malpractice. Taking away hope at Minute 1 is cruel. She irrigated my ears, since my right was blocked, and gave me a single dose of dexamethasone.

By March 25, I wasn't better, so I saw an ENT. My hearing test was fine except for minor high-frequency loss in my left ear, which I already knew about. He looked in each ear for half a second and said, "There's nothing wrong with your ears." He considered the appointment over right then. I asked about steroids, but he said I was out of the window. I asked if the tinnitus would clear up, and he shrugged, saying, "Six to twelve months." He offered no advice, no resources, no information—nothing. Out of frustration, I bought an ear camera myself. My right ear canal looked inflamed and raw, and my left was bright red. Somehow, the doctor never mentioned that.

Month 3, April 2025:
My right ear was ringing less and looked normal, but my left ear felt like there was a water balloon behind the eardrum. I had constant sound therapy indoors because if I turned it off, the pressure in my head exploded and the tinnitus was unbearable. I bought two pairs of cuff-style earbuds and played 10-hour masking videos from Treble Health on repeat at very low volume in my worse ear. The crickets video helped tremendously. It almost completely cancelled the tinnitus, but if the sound stopped for even a second, I was in instant Hell.

I didn't mask outdoors, since I'd read that ambient nature sounds help retrain the brain. But it felt like wind was blowing through my left ear. The tinnitus wasn't just a sound anymore, it was a sensation, with pressure and pain from the front of the ear through the eardrum and down into the jaw. I used a heating pad around my ear multiple times a day. Sleep was nearly impossible, only two or three hours a night. I kept pacing the floor, unable to relax, in full fight-or-flight mode.

Month 5, June 2025:
I lost my job. The budget for my role was moved to a new position, and I had two weeks to prepare training materials and videos before leaving. On top of interviewing and job searching, this stress compounded everything. June was as hellish as April. My resilience was crumbling, but I kept hearing that the first six months are "crucial," and after that tinnitus becomes permanent, as if a magic switch flips. That terrified me.

Month 6, July 2025:
By this point, I was barely functioning. I was still pacing at night, unable to put either ear against a pillow. I relied on sound therapy every day and took multiple walks. One attempt to shop at Target ended in a major spike, a full siren in my left ear.

Then, in mid-July, something shifted. I watched a movie without the Treble video playing. Then another. Then I went six hours without sound support. I still had tinnitus, but my brain didn't explode when it was quiet. I slept one night without sound therapy for the first time. My left ear still rang during the day, but dropped to a 2/10 at night. My right ear started having silent periods. It felt like the dam had finally cracked.

Month 7, August 2025 (now):
I'm not back to normal, and I still feel despair and fear at times, but I've had nearly a month of reduced reliance on sound therapy. I've mostly slept without it, and I can sit in a quiet room (not silent, but quiet with normal household sounds) for as long as I want. I still use sound at times during the day, switching now to birds and river sounds instead of crickets, since the tone has softened.

I've also tried to wean myself off sound therapy gradually. At first, I would cover the speaker on my phone for a few seconds, or remove my earbuds for a minute. On Mother's Day, I managed 10 minutes without sound, though I had to pace the whole time. Now, in August, I can sit for hours without masking, just using normal household background noise.

My left ear still hurts, and my tinnitus fluctuates between nearly silent and 4 or 5/10 throughout the day. I'm still miserable at times, but I hope these are positive signs and that I'll recover fully by the end of the year, maybe sooner. I just need a morale boost to get through what feels like the last stretch, and I hope I can find support here while also offering it to others.
 
I think my hearing is improving in my more heavily affected ear. The audiogram I had a month after the incident showed some mild high-frequency loss. It was still well within the normal range, and I did not notice it in daily life. However, around month three, I used cuff-style earbuds for a few months, and when I listened to a track with birds and a river, I could hear the river in my left ear but not the birds, and the sound was not as crisp as in the right ear.

I recently put the earbuds back in after about two months of not using them, and now I can hear both the birds and the river in my left ear, and the sound is almost as clear as in the right ear. The soreness and feeling of fullness I used to have in my left ear have nearly resolved. They are now only intermittent and much milder than before.

I know there is a lot of advice on this board to avoid earbuds and headphones, especially after acoustic trauma, but I have found them indispensable. I use one pair that hangs on my ear like a small hook and another cuff-style pair, so nothing goes directly into my ear canal and nothing completely covers my ear. That way, there is still airflow and ambient sound getting in. I keep the volume set at 1, the absolute lowest setting. If my phone could go lower, I would set it even lower than that.
 
When I first got tinnitus in 2020, it probably took me a year to a year and a half to see steady improvement, to the point where I no longer needed to mask at all. That was nice.

In 2023 I had another spike, which took about eight or nine months to settle. It never returned fully to baseline, but it got close enough, and I had plenty of good days. Now I'm three months into another spike.

I wouldn't put too much weight on statements like, "It takes precisely this long." It takes as long as it takes, and all we can do is hold on to hope in the meantime.

It seems like you're already noticing small improvements, so there are plenty of reasons to be hopeful. Hang in there 🙂
 
When I first got tinnitus in 2020, it probably took me a year to a year and a half to see steady improvement, to the point where I no longer needed to mask at all. That was nice.

In 2023 I had another spike, which took about eight or nine months to settle. It never returned fully to baseline, but it got close enough, and I had plenty of good days. Now I'm three months into another spike.

I wouldn't put too much weight on statements like, "It takes precisely this long." It takes as long as it takes, and all we can do is hold on to hope in the meantime.

It seems like you're already noticing small improvements, so there are plenty of reasons to be hopeful. Hang in there 🙂
The more time I spend reading real success stories on these boards, the more I realize how false the claim is that "after six months, it's permanent." From what I see, most people take about a year before they start truly feeling better. I'm noticing steady improvements week by week now—quieter mornings, easier nights. Today I had a completely silent walk and felt entirely normal for the first time since this started. I have a lot of hope that the next two months will bring me much closer to something that feels like normal life.

Do you know what caused your two spikes?
 
The more time I spend reading real success stories on these boards, the more I realize how false the claim is that "after six months, it's permanent." From what I see, most people take about a year before they start truly feeling better. I'm noticing steady improvements week by week now—quieter mornings, easier nights. Today I had a completely silent walk and felt entirely normal for the first time since this started. I have a lot of hope that the next two months will bring me much closer to something that feels like normal life.

Do you know what caused your two spikes?
Excellent news! And please, don't be discouraged if you again have some bad days - progress is rarely linear, and often you need to look at long-term trends.

As for my spikes, I don't think anything caused them. It's just the brain doing what the brain does and I'm merely a passenger.
 
The more time I spend reading real success stories on these boards, the more I realize how false the claim is that "after six months, it's permanent." From what I see, most people take about a year before they start truly feeling better. I'm noticing steady improvements week by week now—quieter mornings, easier nights. Today I had a completely silent walk and felt entirely normal for the first time since this started. I have a lot of hope that the next two months will bring me much closer to something that feels like normal life.

Do you know what caused your two spikes?
There is a distinct difference between chronic and permanent.

"Chronic" refers to a condition with long-lasting duration, while "permanent" implies it will last forever or cannot be reversed.

Who used the term permanent?

As I told you earlier, there are numerous success stories, both here and elsewhere, where people adapt, habituate, and heal after six months or more. For some, it may take 12 to 24 months before they begin to improve.

This often relates to time and the brain's neuroplasticity. It takes time for the brain to adjust and adapt, but many people (though certainly not all) eventually get much better. They go on to live their lives. This is nothing new.

Given what you describe, you have reached the process of habituation, and you are beginning to feel more "normal" again. I know the feeling, and it is a good one.
 
There is a distinct difference between chronic and permanent.

"Chronic" refers to a condition with long-lasting duration, while "permanent" implies it will last forever or cannot be reversed.

Who used the term permanent?

As I told you earlier, there are numerous success stories, both here and elsewhere, where people adapt, habituate, and heal after six months or more. For some, it may take 12 to 24 months before they begin to improve.

This often relates to time and the brain's neuroplasticity. It takes time for the brain to adjust and adapt, but many people (though certainly not all) eventually get much better. They go on to live their lives. This is nothing new.

Given what you describe, you have reached the process of habituation, and you are beginning to feel more "normal" again. I know the feeling, and it is a good one.
I'm hanging on to hope! It's hard, though. This has been the biggest challenge of my life.
 
I've noticed over the past few days that when I brush my teeth, the hollow and muffled feeling I used to get in my left ear is gone. It now feels as clear as my right ear.

Yesterday I went to the grocery store and was able to shop in peace. I didn't hear it at all. I can still notice it in the car, though. A couple of months ago, I needed my earbuds just to shop, and I could only go at night when it was quiet. Yesterday I went right in the middle of the day and felt absolutely fine. Even when I was standing in line behind someone with a huge order, with plenty of time to think about the noise, I couldn't hear it.
 
I am starting to wonder if my remaining tinnitus is somatic. At night, the loudness changes depending on the position of my head. Sometimes, with my right ear against the pillow, I cannot hear anything at all, then I shift slightly and hear a rumble. Sometimes my left ear is whistling, then I lift my head and it turns into a barely audible hiss.

This morning I woke up with both a tone and a hiss. After taking a shower, it was significantly lower for about an hour. Now I am sitting in a perfectly quiet room, and it is only just noticeable.
 
I am starting to wonder if my remaining tinnitus is somatic. At night, the loudness changes depending on the position of my head. Sometimes, with my right ear against the pillow, I cannot hear anything at all, then I shift slightly and hear a rumble. Sometimes my left ear is whistling, then I lift my head and it turns into a barely audible hiss.

This morning I woke up with both a tone and a hiss. After taking a shower, it was significantly lower for about an hour. Now I am sitting in a perfectly quiet room, and it is only just noticeable.
A somatic component of tinnitus is something the majority of people have to some degree, in addition to sound-induced tinnitus and so on. It's very common.

If your level is pretty much just audible at this point, the tinnitus should be of no nuisance whatsoever. If I were you, I'd spend my energy elsewhere. Barely noticeable tinnitus in a quiet room is considered non-bothersome, and you shouldn't worry about this at all in my opinion.

I hope it stays like this for you for a long time.
 
A somatic component of tinnitus is something the majority of people have to some degree, in addition to sound-induced tinnitus and so on. It's very common.

If your level is pretty much just audible at this point, the tinnitus should be of no nuisance whatsoever. If I were you, I'd spend my energy elsewhere. Barely noticeable tinnitus in a quiet room is considered non-bothersome, and you shouldn't worry about this at all in my opinion.

I hope it stays like this for you for a long time.
I would rather it continue to decline and eventually disappear entirely, or nearly entirely, rather than stay like this for a long time. I don't consider it to be at a point where it's non-bothersome. Not for me.

A lot of people would love to have the level of tinnitus I do, and I know how much worse it could be, but I still don't consider myself recovered. I went for a drive yesterday and wasn't bothered at all, but later in the evening I went for a walk and when I came back the level had doubled.

Today, while talking to my co-worker, I could tell my left ear wasn't processing sound the same way my right ear was. It's still fluctuating and very sensitive, but the trend is positive. I'm hoping another month will take care of the residual soreness and stuffiness, and that I'll see further reductions in the tinnitus.

I'm much better than I was in July, and I'm hoping for continued improvements until full resolution.
 
I would rather it continue to decline and eventually disappear entirely, or nearly entirely, rather than stay like this for a long time. I don't consider it to be at a point where it's non-bothersome. Not for me.

A lot of people would love to have the level of tinnitus I do, and I know how much worse it could be, but I still don't consider myself recovered. I went for a drive yesterday and wasn't bothered at all, but later in the evening I went for a walk and when I came back the level had doubled.

Today, while talking to my co-worker, I could tell my left ear wasn't processing sound the same way my right ear was. It's still fluctuating and very sensitive, but the trend is positive. I'm hoping another month will take care of the residual soreness and stuffiness, and that I'll see further reductions in the tinnitus.

I'm much better than I was in July, and I'm hoping for continued improvements until full resolution.
A full resolution with no tinnitus at all would feel close to a miracle at this point. No one knows what tomorrow will bring, though. Tomorrow is unknown, and anything can happen.

There is also something important about being content with where you are. I believe most people here would be content with much of what you describe.

Hypervigilance and perfectionism with tinnitus are rarely a good combination, because that can lead to never feeling satisfied unless it disappears completely. It also makes it harder to cope with possible setbacks.

I do not share or fully understand your definition of recovery in what is often called the chronic stage of tinnitus. But we are all different, and we are built differently.

There is a quote from a movie: "If it wasn't this, it would be something else." I believe that quote reflects a lot about the unpredictable nature of life.

Just a word of advice.
 
A full resolution with no tinnitus at all would feel close to a miracle at this point. No one knows what tomorrow will bring, though. Tomorrow is unknown, and anything can happen.

There is also something important about being content with where you are. I believe most people here would be content with much of what you describe.

Hypervigilance and perfectionism with tinnitus are rarely a good combination, because that can lead to never feeling satisfied unless it disappears completely. It also makes it harder to cope with possible setbacks.

I do not share or fully understand your definition of recovery in what is often called the chronic stage of tinnitus. But we are all different, and we are built differently.

There is a quote from a movie: "If it wasn't this, it would be something else." I believe that quote reflects a lot about the unpredictable nature of life.

Just a word of advice.
I'm so thankful that I'm not one of the worst cases on these boards, but I still have significant physical discomfort in my most affected ear along with several other symptoms. It has reached the point where I'm still considering taking medical leave from work and trying to figure out how long my savings would last if I stopped working.

I could not be in an office right now, and I'm grateful that I work from home at a relatively undemanding job that doesn't require me to be on the phone. I'm much better than I was in July, but there's still room for a lot of improvement.
 
I'm so thankful that I'm not one of the worst cases on these boards, but I still have significant physical discomfort in my most affected ear along with several other symptoms. It has reached the point where I'm still considering taking medical leave from work and trying to figure out how long my savings would last if I stopped working.

I could not be in an office right now, and I'm grateful that I work from home at a relatively undemanding job that doesn't require me to be on the phone. I'm much better than I was in July, but there's still room for a lot of improvement.
Why couldn't you be in an office now? If your tinnitus is very low for the majority of the day, then objectively there's no reason you couldn't work as normal.

Working from home is great for a period of time, as it gives you more freedom. I did that myself for about a year during the coronavirus period, although not by choice.

Working and engaging the mind in something you enjoy, unless you have a job you really don't want, is good for both the mind and body. It also helps the nervous system and the auditory system, as long as you are not in a high-stress job with long workdays.

Personally, I started my own business when I was at my absolute worst. I had already quit my job just before a major worsening in 2019. I still kept to my plans, and I made it through. I've never looked back or regretted my choice, even though it was very difficult at the time.

May I ask how old you are?
 
Why couldn't you be in an office now? If your tinnitus is very low for the majority of the day, then objectively there's no reason you couldn't work as normal.

Working from home is great for a period of time, as it gives you more freedom. I did that myself for about a year during the coronavirus period, although not by choice.

Working and engaging the mind in something you enjoy, unless you have a job you really don't want, is good for both the mind and body. It also helps the nervous system and the auditory system, as long as you are not in a high-stress job with long workdays.

Personally, I started my own business when I was at my absolute worst. I had already quit my job just before a major worsening in 2019. I still kept to my plans, and I made it through. I've never looked back or regretted my choice, even though it was very difficult at the time.

May I ask how old you are?
I'm worried that being in a quiet space would make my tinnitus too noticeable. I also don't think driving is helpful for my recovery, and my left ear responds strangely to human voices.

I can watch a movie or go outside without any issues, but if I talk a lot, my left ear goes berserk. When others talk to me, the sound creates a physical sensation in my left ear.

I definitely prefer being at home, where I can control the environment and move around or take breaks if I need to. I'm hoping that by the end of the year, these things will no longer be issues. I'm really hoping for improvement by the end of October. Or tomorrow. Tonight. Now.

I'm 46.
 
I am in complete despair. I thought I was doing well and on my way to healing, but I am afraid last night may have changed everything.

I went for an evening walk around my neighborhood. It is normally quiet, so I did not bring ear protection. That was a mistake. On the last stretch of roadway, as I was coming home, a teenager on a motorbike came roaring down the road. I covered my ears as he passed and thought that was the end of it.

He saw me do this, and what should have been meaningless to him triggered him into an attack. He turned around at the intersection and came back. I covered my ears again. Then he turned around and came back again. And again. And again.

He crossed into the wrong lane of traffic to come as close to me as possible. There are no sidewalks, so I was on the roadway. He just kept coming back and revving the motorbike each time he passed. It was a deliberate attack with sound.

I ran up a driveway to get away. He stopped and yelled something at me, but I could not hear what he said. I just kept running.

What would drive a teenager to do this to a total stranger who had done absolutely nothing to them? He could not have been more than sixteen or seventeen. Why would covering my own ears provoke such an attack?

I filed a police report. My ears were raging when I got home. It took me an hour to stop shaking. I feel so hopeless, completely broken. I am a different person. My life may never be the same.
 
I am in complete despair. I thought I was doing well and on my way to healing, but I am afraid last night may have changed everything.

I went for an evening walk around my neighborhood. It is normally quiet, so I did not bring ear protection. That was a mistake. On the last stretch of roadway, as I was coming home, a teenager on a motorbike came roaring down the road. I covered my ears as he passed and thought that was the end of it.

He saw me do this, and what should have been meaningless to him triggered him into an attack. He turned around at the intersection and came back. I covered my ears again. Then he turned around and came back again. And again. And again.

He crossed into the wrong lane of traffic to come as close to me as possible. There are no sidewalks, so I was on the roadway. He just kept coming back and revving the motorbike each time he passed. It was a deliberate attack with sound.

I ran up a driveway to get away. He stopped and yelled something at me, but I could not hear what he said. I just kept running.

What would drive a teenager to do this to a total stranger who had done absolutely nothing to them? He could not have been more than sixteen or seventeen. Why would covering my own ears provoke such an attack?

I filed a police report. My ears were raging when I got home. It took me an hour to stop shaking. I feel so hopeless, completely broken. I am a different person. My life may never be the same.
SONIA! It's a spike and nothing more than that. Remember when you went shopping and a siren went off? Everything calmed down then, and this will too.

Your ears are very sensitive right now, so they will react to loud noise like this. You are highly distressed and understandably thinking the very worst. I would too, but I can step back from this and see things more clearly.
 
What the hell? That's insane. I'm so sorry you were victimized by that irresponsible kid. I don't even know what to say except: that was horrible.

I'm afraid tinnitus is a waiting game. I sincerely hope it improves for you over time.
 
I am in complete despair. I thought I was doing well and on my way to healing, but I am afraid last night may have changed everything.

I went for an evening walk around my neighborhood. It is normally quiet, so I did not bring ear protection. That was a mistake. On the last stretch of roadway, as I was coming home, a teenager on a motorbike came roaring down the road. I covered my ears as he passed and thought that was the end of it.

He saw me do this, and what should have been meaningless to him triggered him into an attack. He turned around at the intersection and came back. I covered my ears again. Then he turned around and came back again. And again. And again.

He crossed into the wrong lane of traffic to come as close to me as possible. There are no sidewalks, so I was on the roadway. He just kept coming back and revving the motorbike each time he passed. It was a deliberate attack with sound.

I ran up a driveway to get away. He stopped and yelled something at me, but I could not hear what he said. I just kept running.

What would drive a teenager to do this to a total stranger who had done absolutely nothing to them? He could not have been more than sixteen or seventeen. Why would covering my own ears provoke such an attack?

I filed a police report. My ears were raging when I got home. It took me an hour to stop shaking. I feel so hopeless, completely broken. I am a different person. My life may never be the same.
That's awful. I'm so sorry that happened to you. I can imagine how you must feel.
 
SONIA! It's a spike and nothing more than that. Remember when you went shopping and a siren went off? Everything calmed down then, and this will too.

Your ears are very sensitive right now, so they will react to loud noise like this. You are highly distressed and understandably thinking the very worst. I would too, but I can step back from this and see things more clearly.
I don't think the siren in the store was me. :) I'm trying to keep the faith, but today I feel worse than I did yesterday. When I woke up this morning, I actually felt pretty good. The tinnitus was barely noticeable in my left ear and completely imperceptible in my right. I thought I was finally back to my previous baseline. Then it started to ramp up again, and about ten minutes ago it spiked once more.

I keep telling myself that I have no option but to be a success story. I have to recover. I've been reading recovery stories nonstop, even though I've spent most of the past two days in tears. I can't believe this setback was caused by a kid who acted so maliciously, completely unprovoked. I just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Who are his parents? Now I'm even afraid to go for walks after school hours.

I posted on my community's Facebook page and my HOA page. All my neighbors seem to know this kid, but no one knows his name or where he lives. Several have already filed police reports, but nothing has come of them. Still, I'm holding on to hope that October will be the month things turn around for me.

I can't remember the exact day this started. I just know it was sometime in late January or early February. Because of that, I count the first of each month as the start of a new month. So today marks the beginning of Month 9. I'm really hoping I'll be much better by the holidays.
 
What a horrific experience after all the progress you made in the past 8 months. My heart goes out to you. But there is hope.

A smaller motorcycle, for example, a 250 cc, would put around 85 to 95 dB at your ears from a distance of 50 feet. If you were plugging your ears most of the time, that would bring your exposure down to under 80 dB, which should help you avoid permanent damage.

If that is the case, you may simply be experiencing overstimulation of your auditory pathways, which, based on my reading of anecdotal evidence, should settle down within a relatively short span of days or weeks.

Good luck, and please keep us posted.
 
First and foremost, I am truly relieved to hear that you are gradually getting back on an even keel. That must have been a terrifying episode for you, and I know how petrified you must have felt. I felt awful reading about what happened. This individual is clearly not thinking straight, and it does not matter how old a person is—behaving in that way is deeply disturbing.

I imagined this event would make you question future walks. I do think it is wise to avoid certain times, just to be on the safe side. The good news is that I know you will use ear protection in the future, more as a precaution than anything else.

Having read your posts, I already see you as a success story in the making. The improvements you have made along your journey so far give me so much encouragement. The very fact that, after that episode a few days ago, you woke up this morning feeling okay is huge, even with the spike that came ten minutes later. It shows that recovery is real.

I was not sure if it was a siren or a loud tannoy, but I remember you saying you were in a shop when you covered your ears. The important thing is that you are getting yourself back on track. Honestly, it felt surreal reading about what happened after everything you had already endured. But it is onwards and upwards now.

Your resilience is truly inspiring, and I cannot emphasize that enough.
 

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