Is It Just Me? Have Any of You Sort of Lost Your Faith in the Medical Field?

Discussion in 'Health Talk' started by derpytia, Jun 22, 2014.

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    1. derpytia
      Pooptoast

      derpytia Member

      Location:
      Rescue, California
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Hearing loss / ETD
      Is it just me? Or have any of you sort of lost your faith in the medical field? Before the T, any medical problem I had, I could trust a doctor to identify what was wrong or at least have a clue and I could trust them to want to help me and take the time to help figure out what is best for me.

      After the T, I feel like I can't trust any doctor anymore for any problem. Even for non-T medical problems I feel that doctors just don't want to put for the time or the effort or the care to diagnose me properly and then treat me with the right medicine/therapy/etc.

      I used to not mind going to doctor's appointments. Now every time I go to one I go in expecting to feel lousy and I leave feeling lousy and letdown.

      But then I feel bad for doctors who do try to help, but there's so few of them that I've found. Like Dr. Nagler on this forum. I know he's trying his best to be of help and I keep seeing people being very rude to him but I can understand their frustration with the medical field.

      I pray every day that I don't have another medical issue because I feel like I can't really trust any doctor anymore.
       
    2. Tenna
      Anime

      Tenna Member

      Location:
      Europe
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2013
      Faith in doctors is build on their authority, it's given, not earned.
      In the case of showing up with t at your local gps/ents one generally gets met with either arrogance or ignorance, same goes for many other disorders unfortunately. It feels like you pay to feel more alone and unsafe -.-
      Speaking of gps, if it isn't a cold they'll tell you to go home and let it be/rest for two weeks and if it's still there blimey.. They'll send you off to another expert..

      To me Dr. Nagler earned it too, knowing there are still doctors like him with actual helpful intention out there (perhaps even sharing the disorder, how lucky are we!), restores it a bit for me.
       
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    3. Marlene
      English

      Marlene Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Poole Dorset England
      Tinnitus Since:
      July 1996
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bacterial virus
      My daughter in law who's a Heart nurse ,gave me this advice when I became ill,Drs are general practitioners,they don't specialise,they know a bit of many ailments.Just got to look how many Drs are now guiding patients on to web sites to look up what ails them,hoping member of general public can give patients the answers,etc.That can't be right in my book.Old fashioned Drs long gone.One time first thing your dr would do soon as you sat down was to look into your mouth ,eyes and feel and look at your finger nails,they never do that these days,that's before they asked why you were in to see them.My haven't times change,must be happening the same world over from what's been said here and in the UK.Think if ones fortunate in getting a good dr,you stay with that one is my advice.they know you,and visa versa.it works believe me,my female dr is great,can't fault her.consider myself lucky,so there not all the same,it's just finding that one.Faith restored.
       
    4. Denny

      Denny Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2013
      Medicine unfortunately is a business first and Patients and their condition
      Are secondary. Sorry you had to learn this at a young age.
       
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    5. Ken219
      No Mood

      Ken219 Member

      Location:
      New York Area
      Tinnitus Since:
      Summer of 1990
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure?
      First doctors are people too. They may have more formal education and experience with doctor stuff. I do find they use a cookbook approach. Sometimes they skip a few steps. That is when the patient is F'd. 1990 there was no internet access. I relied on a reknown ENT to to tell me what I told him. I have ringing in my ears. Did he bring up the subject of noise exposure? No he said I have a slight hearing problem goodbye. After I went to a wedding my ringing got louder. I went to the library opened a book about Tinnitus. Right there! Noise Exposure Dangerous DB levels. I asked why he didn't warn me about tinnitus and noise exposure. Of course he said he did. Please give me a copy of my medical records. 1990s doctors where still gods. With threading to go to the State Medical Board I received my medical records. 1990s records where on paper. I found his best doctoring was doctoring my medical records. He wrote keep about from loud noises. I can't prove it. But that simple statement might have saved me from full blown T. Research his reviews
      Dr. Mark Shikowitz.
      Are these good schools?
      Med. School:Univ Central Del Este (Uce), Esc De Med, San Pedro De MacOris
       
    6. Denny

      Denny Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2013
      @Ken

      Did the doctor prescribe prednisone at that time?
       
    7. Marlene
      English

      Marlene Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Poole Dorset England
      Tinnitus Since:
      July 1996
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bacterial virus
      That was oh so bad Ken,unbelievable,you know the circumstances you were in prior to the tinnitus,even down to meds of any kind prior.Drs seem really good at cover ups,as in your case,again not in all cases,you were unfortunate with yours.but how do you prove it,other than keep records in your possession,and that will never be happening ever.Think less meds people take the better,my cousin only said last week ,she feels like stopping all her meds to see if she could go back to her old self,what a sad statement was that,she feels worse on them.,not a thing I would advocate to do,but I took her point,she has said she would hate to get my tinnitus on many occasion.
       
    8. MarkD
      Fine

      MarkD Member

      Location:
      Sydney, Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2014
      Hi derpytia, Maybe check out a good naturopath if you have no luck with a conventional doctor. I'd probably stick with a good audiologist/ENT specialist if you can find one but a naturpath might be able to help as well.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturopathy
       
    9. Ken219
      No Mood

      Ken219 Member

      Location:
      New York Area
      Tinnitus Since:
      Summer of 1990
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure?
      One day I just happened to notice a slight ring. It had no affect on my quality of life. Thought it would be a good idea to see an ENT. Told the doc about the ringing. He did not seem concerned. He did not say a word about the ringing. Textbook examination. Audiogram. No recommendations period!
       
    10. Ken219
      No Mood

      Ken219 Member

      Location:
      New York Area
      Tinnitus Since:
      Summer of 1990
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure?
      Speaking of business. This doctor received an MBA in business before going to medical school.
      Dr. Mark Shikowitz.
      Are these good schools?
      Med. School:Univ Central Del Este (Uce), Esc De Med, San Pedro De MacOris



        • MBA, The George Washington University, School of Business, District of Columbia, Washington D.C., 2010
      What came first the chicken or the egg. Whichever was green!
       
    11. Denny

      Denny Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2013
      Lot of times. People have tinnitus for awhile and go to an ENT who tells them
      Most people usually get better by now and offer nothing. Sufferers leaves
      Feeling worst.
       
    12. Denny

      Denny Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2013
      These schools sound like a place you go on vacation.
       
    13. Jay M
      Thinking

      Jay M Member

      Location:
      South Carolina, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      4/4/14
      Doctors are not specialist in every medical field so if it's out of the scope of their expertise they move on or refer you to the next one. There is no Doctor who specializes in Tinnitus bc it would require multiple medical degrees and lots of specialized equipment at the risk of not being a successful practice.
       
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    14. Ken219
      No Mood

      Ken219 Member

      Location:
      New York Area
      Tinnitus Since:
      Summer of 1990
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure?
      I think we can all agree they should be good at their specialty! Some are not.

      @Jay M I consider you a specialist in Tinnitus. Doctor Jay my ears are ringing. Well you must learn to live with it. Bye. Did I forget to tell them about exposure to loud noises and the ringing? FORGETABOUTIT!
       
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    15. Quentino
      Tired

      Quentino Member

      Location:
      France
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Decrease of Hearing i presume.
      In France, there is a lake of dictors in some places. The doctors left have a lots of patients. I don't know for other countries, bit some specialists have difficulties to spend more than 10 - 15 minutes with someone.

      Of course some doctors don't care about tinnitus. But i believe some, because we don't know how to cure T ( the noise induced) , are obliged be neutral, or rude
      And tinnitus is categorized as "permanent" which is false but complex.
       
    16. MattK

      MattK Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2/13/2014
      People expect doctors to be miracle workers, but they can only do so much. Getting angry with them doesn't help matters.

      As for Dr. Nagler, I have definitely seen people be rude to him. I don't know about the whole issue with him. For what it's worth, Dr. Nagler has helped a lot of people and I think he means well. But at the same time, put yourself in his place: he is a medical professional, most of us here aren't. But yet, it seems like everyone here wants to tell him how things should be done. I can see how it would get a little insulting.

      But then again, I do see it from the side of the person trying to get info. Sometimes his answers were so brief that it could seem like he was just brushing off the questioner. Or sometimes he misses the point of the question entirely. But to err is human. And part of being human is making mistakes, and sometimes that includes having wrong ideas or not being able to help everybody.

      I have lost my faith in doctors in the sense that tinnitus has shown me how little doctors know. But at the same time, we must keep in mind that the reality is that doctors never have all of the answers.
       
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    17. Denny

      Denny Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2013
      It is very difficult to treat a condition that cannot be seen .
      Most of the information is description of symptoms. It can only be measured
      if there is hearing loss by checking what frequency, other than that
      there is not much and many times even audiology tests are not accurate
      and do not measure intensity.
       
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    18. UserID
      Lucky

      UserID Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Tampa, FL
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/01/1972
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Artillery
      T will not be thoroughly understood by the medical profession in my lifetime, I am fairly certain. Over several decades, I've been through all that they claimed were wonder cures, even purchased a $5200 Neuromonics unit. The only sure way of making it through this life far from the hell that T can cause is to first, find the right sound that fits what you hear in your head/ears and listen to it all the time. Never place the volume above the T. And keep busy.

      I've had it so bad, in times past, when I literally felt I was one step away from going out of my mind. At work, I listened to crickets all day long, and kept from having to speak to anyone that I could avoid. Then, when I got home, I turned my stereo on to fill my house with cricket sounds. It was a world no one would have been able to endure with me, for sure, for I was as alone as one can be throughout those months and years. Talk about loneliness! I longed for someone to understand me, but knew all I would ever get is a moment of someone's time, and then off they'd go. So, I learned to be alone as best I could.

      Eventually, habituation began to show up in spurts. And, to this day, I still listen when I need a break from myself. I'm not where I once was, but neither am I entirely where I want to be. One of the reasons is because of the side effects of much needed medications I need to fight pain and IBS. Both increase the volume of T, but it's either that or check out.
       
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