Stem Cell Secretome Treatment

Discussion in 'Alternative Treatments and Research' started by Tau, Aug 18, 2021.

    1. VTae

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      So stem cells are the only treatment other than FX-322 with actual effects on tinnitus volume? Doesn't that support the hypothesis that the stem cells actually do travel to the cochlea and differentiate into hair cells, rather than just their secretomes being used for healing (which tbh sounds farfetched)?
       
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      I will *maybe* have very high dose exosomes IT in the near future, we will see. 200b/ml concentration.
       
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    3. SmallRonnie
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      That could be very good. Almost seems necessary. Almost every preclinical trial for various drugs involved injections right into the cochlea. Lots of stuff helped.

      Hope you manage to get it done, definitely seems like a better shot than the other ROAs.
       
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      I 100% know I can get it done. :)
       
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      I wish you the best of luck with it! Probably very low risk anyway to do it if you get a competent doctor.
       
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    6. LMM

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      A company called Biotissue has an umbilical cord injectable. I wonder if anyone would be willing to try it or if there an is ENT willing to inject.
       
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      The exosomes that I receive are derived from umbilical cord mesenchymal stem cells. I can get the cells themselves, too, but cell therapy is riskier (and the cells will likely not cross the round window if injected intratympanically).

      I'll reiterate the same thing I have posted before: intratympanic high concentration exosomes have not been beneficial to two recipients, even with repeated dosing.
       
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      Hey @Tau, just checking in to see if there's any update with you now that a lot of time has passed?
       
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      Nothing new. I'll be doing some other stuff, I have already done progenitor cell activation (adapted Frequency Therapeutics intratympanic formulation, slow release BDNF coming soon).
       
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      I hope it goes well for you. Is this something that's publicly available? I presume its an intratympanic injection, right?
       
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      Thanks. It is not publicly available, this is my own making, in a laboratory.

      And yes, it is an intratympanic injection, injected cold, it gels when it reaches body temperature, hence the slow release.

      Modified FX-322 was not a miracle, maybe slight benefit to one ultra high frequency, also some slight damage to lower frequencies (damage does not show up on an audiogram as it's below the 5 dB step threshold).

      FX-322 and FX-345 are very hypertonic and they also contain DMSO to dissolve the GSK3 inhibitor, both of these things can cause damage, so it is not unexpected.
       
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    12. SmallRonnie
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      That's pretty wild. I hope you stay safe! It would be exceptional if this worked for you.
       
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