Difficulty Identifying Tinnitus Frequency When Hearing Only White Noise

crappymate

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Oct 4, 2025
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Tinnitus Since
7/7/2025
Cause of Tinnitus
hearing loss
Hi,

I need help finding my tinnitus frequency. My tinnitus is from sound-induced hearing loss. I only hear white noise, not a tone.

Since tinnitus frequency is usually determined when there's a tone, how can I figure out the frequency of my tinnitus if I only hear white noise, more in my left ear and less in my right ear?

According to my audiogram, my hearing loss is between 3 kHz and 8 kHz.

Thanks,
Ram
 
Since you have hearing loss across a wide range of frequencies, this results in multiple tinnitus tones that combine to sound like white noise, which is what you're hearing.

You won't be able to identify a single specific frequency for your tinnitus because it consists of several different frequencies.
 
Since you have hearing loss across a wide range of frequencies, this results in multiple tinnitus tones that combine to sound like white noise, which is what you're hearing.

You won't be able to identify a single specific frequency for your tinnitus because it consists of several different frequencies.
Thanks for your reply. The reason I want to find my tinnitus frequency is so I can do notched audio treatment. Since my tinnitus is due to hearing loss in the 3 kHz to 8 kHz range, should I remove those frequencies from white noise and listen to it as notched audio?

Does this help reduce the tinnitus sound at least a little?

I was thinking of listening to notched white noise at my hearing loss frequencies, which are 3 kHz, 4 kHz, 6 kHz, and 8 kHz. Does notched audio actually reduce tinnitus if done over a long period of time?
 
@crappymate,

White noise occurs when the brain produces many tinnitus frequencies as a result of significant hearing cell damage (hearing loss) across a wide range of frequencies.

You may find a narrow band within your hearing loss range where the loss is greatest. Use this "highest level of hearing loss" as the base for finding a notched white noise treatment.

See this video as an example:



To identify your "highest level of hearing loss," you'll need a more detailed audiogram. I have used 250 Hz intervals for this purpose.

See this link for reference.

When you take only 6 or 8 measurements over an 8000 Hz range (which has 8000 possible data points), it's not reasonable to conclude that you have hearing loss only at four specific frequencies (for example, 3000, 4000, 6000, and 8000 Hz). You can't realistically do much with that limited information.

Hearing loss doesn't fit neatly into whole 1000 Hz ranges, since it's caused by excessive noise, and environmental noise contains many different frequencies. Your mid-range hearing loss may follow a kind of sine wave, while your high-range loss may show a declining curve. The only way to determine this accurately is through a more detailed audiogram.

The challenge with audio treatments is that, to hear the notched sound in your affected ear, you'll need to increase the volume. The volume required to hear the treatment may, over time, cause further hearing damage.

If only one ear is affected, you'll need to use earphones or earbuds to direct the notched sound solely to that ear. If you play the same volume in your good ear, you'll almost certainly cause hearing damage.

In summary, using active sound treatments to address hearing-related tinnitus can create a form of positive feedback that worsens both your hearing and your tinnitus over time. The best approach is to monitor and reduce sound input to your ears from now on, to minimize the risk of further damage.
 
@crappymate,

White noise occurs when the brain produces many tinnitus frequencies as a result of significant hearing cell damage (hearing loss) across a wide range of frequencies.

You may find a narrow band within your hearing loss range where the loss is greatest. Use this "highest level of hearing loss" as the base for finding a notched white noise treatment.

See this video as an example:



To identify your "highest level of hearing loss," you'll need a more detailed audiogram. I have used 250 Hz intervals for this purpose.

See this link for reference.

When you take only 6 or 8 measurements over an 8000 Hz range (which has 8000 possible data points), it's not reasonable to conclude that you have hearing loss only at four specific frequencies (for example, 3000, 4000, 6000, and 8000 Hz). You can't realistically do much with that limited information.

Hearing loss doesn't fit neatly into whole 1000 Hz ranges, since it's caused by excessive noise, and environmental noise contains many different frequencies. Your mid-range hearing loss may follow a kind of sine wave, while your high-range loss may show a declining curve. The only way to determine this accurately is through a more detailed audiogram.

The challenge with audio treatments is that, to hear the notched sound in your affected ear, you'll need to increase the volume. The volume required to hear the treatment may, over time, cause further hearing damage.

If only one ear is affected, you'll need to use earphones or earbuds to direct the notched sound solely to that ear. If you play the same volume in your good ear, you'll almost certainly cause hearing damage.

In summary, using active sound treatments to address hearing-related tinnitus can create a form of positive feedback that worsens both your hearing and your tinnitus over time. The best approach is to monitor and reduce sound input to your ears from now on, to minimize the risk of further damage.

Hi, thanks for your great explanation.

I've attached my audiogram. When I did this hearing test with tinnitus, I was really struggling to hear because of the buzzing sound in my head. So, is this tone test audiogram truly accurate for identifying hearing loss? Is there a more advanced test I should take to confirm my hearing loss?

I came across the OAE test, and I'm wondering if that's recommended since it doesn't rely on user feedback to sound.

I've had tinnitus for about three months. It started in my left ear as a low hissing sound, but now it's buzzing in both ears and feels like it's in my head too. Both ears have the same buzzing or hissing, but at different volumes, and sometimes I also get a high-pitched tone for a few minutes.

So, does notched audio therapy have any real benefit for reducing tinnitus if the tinnitus pitch varies in each ear? If you could take a look at my audiogram and share your best suggestion, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.
 

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Just as a heads up, part of the Auricle onboarding process will be identifying your tinnitus frequency through their TinnTester app.

I'm also looking into Notch Therapy (using a Signia hearing aid). I was planning to do the Notch therapy after I get my tinnitus frequency matched through the Auricle onboarding.
 
Just as a heads up, part of the Auricle onboarding process will be identifying your tinnitus frequency through their TinnTester app.

I'm also looking into Notch Therapy (using a Signia hearing aid). I was planning to do the Notch therapy after I get my tinnitus frequency matched through the Auricle onboarding.
Hi, how can I be part of the so-called Auricle onboarding? Is this a new device similar to Lenire or other bimodal neuromodulation treatments? From what I've read, Auricle doesn't seem to exist. Can we use the TinnTester app ourselves?
 
Hi, how can I be part of the so-called Auricle onboarding? Is this a new device similar to Lenire or other bimodal neuromodulation treatments? From what I've read, Auricle doesn't seem to exist. Can we use the TinnTester app ourselves?
No, this is the Auricle device from Susan Shore and the University of Michigan. It's one of the top threads here. There will be a big announcement tomorrow.
 
So, is this tone test audiogram truly accurate for identifying hearing loss?
Your audiogram indicates hearing loss.

No question.

I would say a significant amount of hearing loss.

My next question would be, how old are you, and what kind of work or recreational activities resulted in this level of hearing loss?

An assumption about the true state of your hearing based on so few data points in your chart is tenuous. How much hearing loss you have, and which frequencies are mostly lost, cannot be determined from your chart.

Audiograms like this use whole 1000 Hz intervals and increments of around 5 dB. They are quick and basic.

Because only a few data points are taken, a lot of information is missing. Plotting the audiogram on a logarithmic scale, as is done here, can also be misleading when you want to understand the true nature of your hearing loss. This is a common problem with audiologist audiograms. The use of a log scale and minimal data points is a lazy convention followed by many audiologists.
Is there a more advanced test I should take to confirm my hearing loss?
Here is a study where the researchers considered 14 data points over 16,000 Hz to be an extended hearing test:


Describing 14 data points over 16,000 Hz as an "extended audiogram" may be valid, but it still does not provide enough useful data.

I once described a sparse hearing test of 6 data points over 8000 Hz to an engineer friend over the phone. Without knowing anything about hearing, his immediate response was something he remembered from a statistics lecture: you would need at least 30 data points over that range, or about 4 per thousand hertz. Anything less, and you do not have enough data to make reliable conclusions.

It is not complicated to perform a more intensive audiogram yourself.

My chart includes embedded instructions so that you and I can both reproduce the process:


I took about 40 evenly spaced measurements and later repeated the process after adjusting for high-frequency hearing loss.

It is unlikely that you will find a discrete tone that corresponds exactly to your white noise tinnitus. White noise means many frequencies are present at similar volumes.

You should also be aware that tones are not always whole numbers in hertz; you can have single-hertz increments, for example, 7344.50 Hz. Tonal tinnitus can drift. My own high-frequency tinnitus shifts within a range.

You should be able to describe your white noise tinnitus as higher or lower than a certain frequency threshold, for example, higher than 7200 Hz.

If you focus carefully, you may also detect some pure tones. In my case, I had one pure tone in my left ear. When I looked for it, I realized there was also another sound—white noise—lower in frequency but still high-pitched and not a pure tone.

The Audio Notched White Noise Therapy example I mentioned earlier assumes reasonable hearing on both sides of the tinnitus and hearing loss region, forming a curve similar to a sine wave. This is an assumption about the patient's hearing and tinnitus.

Is this assumption valid in your situation?

In my case, and likely in yours as well, the high-frequency white noise tinnitus occurs in the region where hearing has sharply deteriorated. Hearing loss and tinnitus usually go hand in hand in cases of auditory trauma.

At lower frequencies, you have relatively good hearing (as seen in your chart), while at higher frequencies, hearing has deteriorated (also visible in your chart). That line of deterioration continues in the higher frequency range, beyond what is currently measured. You can measure this further loss yourself.

If you play a notched therapy sound, whether pure tones or white noise, you will hear the lower-frequency therapy sounds (where hearing is reasonable), while the higher-frequency sounds will be inaudible due to your deteriorated hearing.

Your hearing does not follow the assumed bell-shaped curve that Notched Therapies describe.

The assumption that you have good hearing on both sides of your tinnitus tone is invalid.

You would need to increase the volume of the high-frequency range of your therapy sound—likely into a range that could cause further damage—while keeping the lower-frequency range moderate or low to avoid harming the parts of your hearing that are still functional.

I am not sure that Notched Therapy sounds are sophisticated enough to adjust the volume in this way, or if they are, how users can fine-tune them to match their needs.

It seems that Notched Sound Therapy relies on the idea that the auditory system tries to recruit nearby hearing cells close to the frequencies where hearing loss and tinnitus occur, even if it does not explicitly state this.

Below is a paragraph from the following link:

"A dedicated section on notched sound therapy explores its mechanism of action, which leverages the principle of lateral inhibition to suppress the hyperactive auditory neurons responsible for the phantom sound. Clinical studies, including a seminal 2009 PNAS study and a recent 2025 meta-analysis, provide evidence that this therapy can significantly reduce tinnitus loudness and emotional distress, particularly for patients with tonal tinnitus."


The term "lateral inhibition" refers to how hearing cells adjacent to the tinnitus and hearing loss frequencies are recruited to respond to nearby tones. If successful, they can again send signals to the brain corresponding to those frequencies, allowing the brain to suppress or resolve the tinnitus it is generating.

Notched Audio Therapies deliver targeted sounds on either side of the tinnitus and hearing loss frequencies to enhance this recruitment process.

The hearing cell recruitment model is well-known in tinnitus research and is active in most patients.

For those with early-stage tinnitus and relatively good hearing near the affected frequency range, hearing cell recruitment can be effective in reducing or resolving tinnitus.

People often attribute their recovery to a specific treatment or belief, when in reality, their auditory system's recruitment process reduced or eliminated the tinnitus on its own.
So, does notched audio therapy have any real benefit for reducing tinnitus if the tinnitus pitch varies in each ear?
Your hearing loss does not follow a bell-shaped curve as Notched Sound Therapies assume.

You might identify such a pattern if you conduct a more detailed hearing test. You may also discover a pure tone tinnitus or describe your white noise as higher or lower than a certain threshold.

You can only perform this test yourself. No practitioner will spend the necessary time and effort.

If your tinnitus pitch varies, you may need to wait until hearing cells deteriorate further and your brain consolidates multiple tones into one or a general white noise region.

Alternatively, your auditory system may find another compensatory pathway. However, I suspect that hearing cell recruitment may no longer play a role in your case, because your chart does not show any curve resembling a sine wave.

In my own detailed audiogram, both ears showed a curve at about 4250 Hz, but that is not where my tinnitus is.

Hearing cell recruitment is an ongoing, lifelong process that occurs as hearing naturally declines. It does not simply begin when tinnitus or major hearing loss first appears.
 
Your audiogram indicates hearing loss.

No question.

I would say a significant amount of hearing loss.

My next question would be, how old are you, and what kind of work or recreational activities resulted in this level of hearing loss?

An assumption about the true state of your hearing based on so few data points in your chart is tenuous. How much hearing loss you have, and which frequencies are mostly lost, cannot be determined from your chart.

Audiograms like this use whole 1000 Hz intervals and increments of around 5 dB. They are quick and basic.

Because only a few data points are taken, a lot of information is missing. Plotting the audiogram on a logarithmic scale, as is done here, can also be misleading when you want to understand the true nature of your hearing loss. This is a common problem with audiologist audiograms. The use of a log scale and minimal data points is a lazy convention followed by many audiologists.

Here is a study where the researchers considered 14 data points over 16,000 Hz to be an extended hearing test:


Describing 14 data points over 16,000 Hz as an "extended audiogram" may be valid, but it still does not provide enough useful data.

I once described a sparse hearing test of 6 data points over 8000 Hz to an engineer friend over the phone. Without knowing anything about hearing, his immediate response was something he remembered from a statistics lecture: you would need at least 30 data points over that range, or about 4 per thousand hertz. Anything less, and you do not have enough data to make reliable conclusions.

It is not complicated to perform a more intensive audiogram yourself.

My chart includes embedded instructions so that you and I can both reproduce the process:


I took about 40 evenly spaced measurements and later repeated the process after adjusting for high-frequency hearing loss.

It is unlikely that you will find a discrete tone that corresponds exactly to your white noise tinnitus. White noise means many frequencies are present at similar volumes.

You should also be aware that tones are not always whole numbers in hertz; you can have single-hertz increments, for example, 7344.50 Hz. Tonal tinnitus can drift. My own high-frequency tinnitus shifts within a range.

You should be able to describe your white noise tinnitus as higher or lower than a certain frequency threshold, for example, higher than 7200 Hz.

If you focus carefully, you may also detect some pure tones. In my case, I had one pure tone in my left ear. When I looked for it, I realized there was also another sound—white noise—lower in frequency but still high-pitched and not a pure tone.

The Audio Notched White Noise Therapy example I mentioned earlier assumes reasonable hearing on both sides of the tinnitus and hearing loss region, forming a curve similar to a sine wave. This is an assumption about the patient's hearing and tinnitus.

Is this assumption valid in your situation?

In my case, and likely in yours as well, the high-frequency white noise tinnitus occurs in the region where hearing has sharply deteriorated. Hearing loss and tinnitus usually go hand in hand in cases of auditory trauma.

At lower frequencies, you have relatively good hearing (as seen in your chart), while at higher frequencies, hearing has deteriorated (also visible in your chart). That line of deterioration continues in the higher frequency range, beyond what is currently measured. You can measure this further loss yourself.

If you play a notched therapy sound, whether pure tones or white noise, you will hear the lower-frequency therapy sounds (where hearing is reasonable), while the higher-frequency sounds will be inaudible due to your deteriorated hearing.

Your hearing does not follow the assumed bell-shaped curve that Notched Therapies describe.

The assumption that you have good hearing on both sides of your tinnitus tone is invalid.

You would need to increase the volume of the high-frequency range of your therapy sound—likely into a range that could cause further damage—while keeping the lower-frequency range moderate or low to avoid harming the parts of your hearing that are still functional.

I am not sure that Notched Therapy sounds are sophisticated enough to adjust the volume in this way, or if they are, how users can fine-tune them to match their needs.

It seems that Notched Sound Therapy relies on the idea that the auditory system tries to recruit nearby hearing cells close to the frequencies where hearing loss and tinnitus occur, even if it does not explicitly state this.

Below is a paragraph from the following link:

"A dedicated section on notched sound therapy explores its mechanism of action, which leverages the principle of lateral inhibition to suppress the hyperactive auditory neurons responsible for the phantom sound. Clinical studies, including a seminal 2009 PNAS study and a recent 2025 meta-analysis, provide evidence that this therapy can significantly reduce tinnitus loudness and emotional distress, particularly for patients with tonal tinnitus."


The term "lateral inhibition" refers to how hearing cells adjacent to the tinnitus and hearing loss frequencies are recruited to respond to nearby tones. If successful, they can again send signals to the brain corresponding to those frequencies, allowing the brain to suppress or resolve the tinnitus it is generating.

Notched Audio Therapies deliver targeted sounds on either side of the tinnitus and hearing loss frequencies to enhance this recruitment process.

The hearing cell recruitment model is well-known in tinnitus research and is active in most patients.

For those with early-stage tinnitus and relatively good hearing near the affected frequency range, hearing cell recruitment can be effective in reducing or resolving tinnitus.

People often attribute their recovery to a specific treatment or belief, when in reality, their auditory system's recruitment process reduced or eliminated the tinnitus on its own.

Your hearing loss does not follow a bell-shaped curve as Notched Sound Therapies assume.

You might identify such a pattern if you conduct a more detailed hearing test. You may also discover a pure tone tinnitus or describe your white noise as higher or lower than a certain threshold.

You can only perform this test yourself. No practitioner will spend the necessary time and effort.

If your tinnitus pitch varies, you may need to wait until hearing cells deteriorate further and your brain consolidates multiple tones into one or a general white noise region.

Alternatively, your auditory system may find another compensatory pathway. However, I suspect that hearing cell recruitment may no longer play a role in your case, because your chart does not show any curve resembling a sine wave.

In my own detailed audiogram, both ears showed a curve at about 4250 Hz, but that is not where my tinnitus is.

Hearing cell recruitment is an ongoing, lifelong process that occurs as hearing naturally declines. It does not simply begin when tinnitus or major hearing loss first appears.
Thanks, mate. You have so much knowledge about this. I'm a 46-year-old male, and my profession is IT. Since my tinnitus started, I've been looking back and think I might have developed it from listening to music with AirPods and singing karaoke at home on my iMac at maximum volume.

The sounds I've been exposed to over the past four years have mostly been music during my leisure time. I had never even heard of tinnitus, hearing loss, or noise protection before, and I had no education about it. After hearing from you, I'm now hesitant to try notched therapy since it might cause more damage. I've been listening to natural sounds, like a river stream, which give me some relief. Now I understand how the loud noises we're exposed to in everyday life can damage the ear's hair cells.

From all your experience, what has helped lower your tinnitus sound? How long have you had it, and what therapy helps you manage day to day?

I'm just trying to get my brain to habituate to the sound. I find it strange, but when I wake up during the night, my tinnitus is barely noticeable. Then, in the morning, it starts again and grows louder in the afternoon. Is this normal?
 
I'm just trying to get my brain to habituate to the sound. I find it strange, but when I wake up during the night, my tinnitus is barely noticeable. Then, in the morning, it starts again and grows louder in the afternoon. Is this normal?
This is not unusual.

Your tinnitus is reactive.

My own tinnitus researcher in 2024 commented that tinnitus is often quiet in the morning, then gets louder in the evening and is loud at bedtime. Tinnitus reacts to everyday noise by increasing in volume.

Since you don't have loud tinnitus at night, you need to be very cautious not to repeat the habits that led you to this point, so your tinnitus doesn't get louder.

This may require a lifestyle change for some people.

If you find yourself in moderate or high-volume sound environments, wear hearing protection.

I read a scientific article in which the author described that when a certain threshold is reached, the brain changes in a way that prevents it from turning off the tinnitus, causing it to remain constant around the clock.

You've reached that threshold, since you do have some tinnitus at night.

But you're not yet at the point where it's loud enough to keep you awake.
 

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