Ear Clear Plus — Tinnitus Scam Refuted by the British Tinnitus Association (BTA)!

Discussion in 'Alternative Treatments and Research' started by Contrast, Mar 22, 2020.

    1. Contrast
      No Mood

      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury
      Ear Clear Plus website (warning!)

      https://tinnitus-trick.com/

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      https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/tinnitus-and-ear-clear-plus
      The BTA (British Tinnitus Association) researchers deem this supplement as ineffective with ZERO evidence of efficacy.

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      Also they have an almost IDENTICAL VIDEO SCRIPT as the Sonus Complete Scam! This is because VSL (video sales letter marketers) and ecommerce crooks are lazy and recycle the same scripts for voice actors to read.

      Sonus Complete Tinnitus Scam Below
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/sonus-complete-tinnitus-supplements-are-a-scam.39494/

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      Be aware of "Hearing Reset Protocol"

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      There is ZERO scientific evidence on noise induced hearing loss leading to blindness, or this being effective on reversing physical damage to the cochlea. It is all pseudoscience and snake oil trying to prey on the desperate and make you more desperate and scared.

      Learn about how to not be a victim to health scams!

      Health Fraud Scams -- Be Smart, Be Aware, Be...



      https://www.fda.gov/media/84561/download

      https://www.fda.gov/files/about fda/published/i. Don’t-Be-a-Victim-of-Health-Fraud-Scams.pdf
       
    2. ThomasW

      ThomasW Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      February 2019(nearly gone)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Medication
      Seeing as you tried to make fun of my recent posts I'll point out BTA really need to do some more research and are in no way a trustable resource if they don't even understand what those ingredients can go for tinnitus.

      Garlic is a known NO booster that has cured people's tinnitus. Plenty of testimonials on this forum. Aged Garlic Extract is a common supplement for boosting blood flow. it works in a similar way as Ginkgo and is scientifically proven to work at boosting NO.

      B12 deficiency is a common cause of tinnitus in my country. Supplementation cures most people. Again plenty of papers on this. It's a proven fact.

      Instead of getting angry at companies for trying to help people you could research more into the mechanisms that have caused your own tinnitus and work from there. Plenty of people get relief from supplements, just because something didn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work period. This is one of the most common walls people seem to hit in the treatment of their tinnitus on this forum and ends up turning into an echo chamber. Yes there are scam artists and yes some of these companies are charging ridiculous amounts for supplements but tinnitus is a symptom, not a condition.
       
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    3. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Contrast
      No Mood

      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury
    4. Zugzug

      Zugzug Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown; Likely autoimmune; Certainly not noise-induced
      I sincerely wish you well. Moreover, as someone who's had some success with supplements, I second the fact that -- anecdotally and for certain causes -- they can help. For example, if you have a chronic, systemic inflammatory disease that is driving the problem, supplements that reduce inflammation may indirectly help the process.

      But we need to be careful.
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      Notice several things. That spans 1,788 subjects, 53 countries, and is not placebo-controlled. That means the evidence was weak even for people who really wanted supplements to work. There needs to be a scientific standard; otherwise, we feed the stereotype that severe tinnitus and hyperacusis are mostly mental blocks that can be overcome with supplement placebos and habituation.

      You and Contrast can both be right. He's right that there is no scientific evidence of supplements treating tinnitus, but you are right that everybody's different and one may work out for you. I am taking supplements right now, and these studies don't bother me one bit.

      The elephant in the room is that supplements are often pricey. Some people are not financially secure enough to take unproven, expensive stabs in the dark, as opposed to just giving it time.
       
    5. ThomasW

      ThomasW Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      February 2019(nearly gone)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Medication
      I should probably start every post on this site with how my tinnitus is 95%+ gone thanks to heavily researching into the causes of tinnitus and how you can treat it with supplements, diet and lifestyle changes. Although I think I'm just going to give up coming here all together trying to help.
      Thats not what a scam is. A scam is me saying "I have a miracle treatment and you need to send me money" Then I don't send you a product. A combination supplement made of ingredients that are proven to address various mineral + vitamin deficiencies and increase blood flow is not a scam. If something doesn't work for you its not a scam, its simply a dead end you can cross off and learn from. I personally don't recommend buying these bulk supplements and recommend instead to buy individually because they have different absorption times and many minerals use the same absorption channels but to flat out say these don't do anything for tinnitus is just plain wrong.
      That is an absolute failure of a test and precisely the main reason why tinnitus research has gotten next to nowhere the last few decades. It lumped all 1788 subjects together. Tinnitus is a symptom, not a condition. You can't treat everybody the same way and expect the same results. Which ones had noise trauma? Which ones had poor blood flow because of NO disruption, high blood pressure etc? which ones got it from medication? Which ones have muscle problems in their neck and jaw triggering somatic tinnitus? You can't just put everyone together giving them supplements and judge whether they are working.

      Examples: Being a vegetarian can cause you to become B12 deficient. If you had tinnitus because of this then taking magnesium, melatonin, NAC etc isn't going to solve it.

      Same way if you have noise trauma taking B12 isn't going to solve it but for some people taking Zinc has cured their tinnitus. But then if someone takes Zinc and has a diet high in phytic acid it may be impairing absorption, taking calcium 2 hours before and after Zinc can also block it.

      There are many reports of Vitamin D supplementing causing tinnitus. One theory is it bottoms out your magnesium. taking B vitamins and Zinc isn't going to do anything but many people report magnesium supplementation after Vitamin D induced tinnitus cured their tinnitus.

      If you have poor blood flow down to poor Nitric Oxide production then taking NO boosters like Ginkgo, Aged garlic extract, NAC, Turmeric, B-complex etc can given you relief and even cure your tinnitus for a lot of people. But its not a one way street. If your diet is high in salt and sugar that can cause vasoconstriction and impact blood flow then your supplements might not make a difference. This was the biggest eureka moment for me. Soon as I cut down salt dramatically my tinnitus went way down.

      But then if you have an ear infection blood flow can worsen your tinnitus and ear pain. Same with hypercusis its a tricky one. You can also get bad headaches from the boost in blood flow to your brain and many report their tinnitus gets worse if they take to many supplements so you need to find a right balance.

      But then if your tinnitus is caused by muscles in your neck and jaw then supplementing NO is going to do very little if anything. Sure you can take supplements to calm your mind and nervous system but the biggest breakthrough people with somatic tinnitus is getting mouth shields to stop teeth grinding, seeing physiotherapists to get jaw exercises or treatment for the TMJ, doing stretches and correcting posture etc.

      I said in another thread that aspirin can cause, spike, relief and cure tinnitus. It just depends on what caused your tinnitus and that's precisely why you can't treat all tinnitus the same.

      I could keep going on. I don't mean to be blunt but I'm just pointing out the flaws in tinnitus research and how its only stunted treatments.
       
    6. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Contrast
      No Mood

      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury
      Now Defunct SilenceComplete.net and SilenceComplete.org

      Complaints against this company

      https://www.bbb.org/us/al/lexington...ss/silence-complete-0513-900236484/complaints

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      view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20180429113117/http://silencecomplete.net/
      view-source:https://web.archive.org/web/20180423113100/http://thesilencecomplete.org/

      Both display the name ClayCloud

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      All scams say "Brain Scan Uncovers The Real Root Cause of Tinnitus"


      SilenceComplete.org/net


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      Sonus Complete

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      Ear Clear Plus

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      Quiet Mind Plus
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    7. ajc

      ajc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
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    8. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Contrast
      No Mood

      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury
      List of tinnitus products associated with this group

      "Brain Scan Uncovers The Real Root Cause of Tinnitus" & or ClayCloud ClayGlobal amazonnaw links" as well as likely association with LionPublishingLimited.


      Here are threads on Tinnitus Talk that discuss their services

      Silencis Pro
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/scam-silencis-pro.23524/


      The Silence Complete
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/the-silence-complete.25536/


      Quiet Mind Plus
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/quiet-mind-plus-—-any-good.22684/


      Ear Clear Plus
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/ear-clear-plus-—-tinnitus-scam-refuted-by-the-british-tinnitus-association-bta.40270/


      Sonus Complete
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/sonus-complete-tinnitus-supplements-are-a-scam.39494/



      Username ClayGlobal and ClayCloud are explicitly associated with this website that is registered to Lion Publishing Limited

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      Blog deeming Silence Complete as bogus + it's connection to other ditto tinnitus products and the company LionPublishingLimited and its Naturopathic supplement branch known as HealthPlusLabs.com.

      https://fixedgear808.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-silence-complete.html

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      LionPublishingLimited.com is evidentially responsible for "ClayCloud"s content

      https://www.LionPublishingLimited.com

      On their official website that admit that they are both involved in ecommerce and naturopathic supplements.

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      Here is the contact page found on the official website

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      Everything I posted can be officially found on their official website. If you really want to purchase this product associated with LionPublishing Limited then please visit here.

      https://sonuscomplete.com/


      I do not recommend this product for blatantly obvious reasons, as you can see the evidence as it has four previous incarnates, but if you want to purchase it anyway, go ahead.
       
    9. ESCAPADO
      Disappointed

      ESCAPADO Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2 months ago
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      I think it's high blood pressure ,maybe brain thing.
      Yep I can confirm that. Tried it. B.Fnnnn. S. Got my money back.
       
    10. ThomasW

      ThomasW Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      February 2019(nearly gone)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Medication
      @Contrast

      Are you going to reply to any of my posts calling you out or are you going to keep posting toxic nonsense on this forum?

      I don't understand the "tinnitus cure denying" belief on this forum. Its like you guys want to have T and refuse to believe people recover from it.
       
    11. MrCrybaby

      MrCrybaby Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2014, 10/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      School Band, Acoustic Trauma
      This company is scamming people out of $100s and their tinnitus is not being cured by the supplement...
       
    12. ThomasW

      ThomasW Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      February 2019(nearly gone)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Medication
      He's denying that any supplements work at all so I called him out on it explaining how they can work for certain types of tinnitus. Read my post earlier in this thread.

      He also said it's "terrifying ENTs and doctors recommend lipoflavonoid" which is one of the worst things I've read on this site. The most terrifying thing about ENTs and Doctors is the majority are completely uneducated about tinnitus and constantly tell their patients "There is no cure" which is a complete lie and then they just wash their hands of it telling them to deal with. That's terrifying. Not recommending a product that has cured many people's tinnitus (again see my post).
       
    13. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Contrast
      No Mood

      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30585322
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    14. Zugzug

      Zugzug Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown; Likely autoimmune; Certainly not noise-induced
      I believe in supplements on an individual basis, and I don't hold all of the same beliefs as Contrast. But there are so many statistical traps here. Most tinnitus sufferers improve with time. If you need to be on a supplement for X weeks to see results, how do you know time didn't make it fade? Or just believing in something (placebo) for a few months while it fades as your body heals? To be clear, I am not declaring that's what happened in your case. It's quite possible that supplements have really helped you.

      Here's what I really can't understand about your ideology. People in a really bad way will try supplements no matter what. Everyone is desperate and wants to be "the one" who benefited from curcumin. When you say "no one wants to get better," do you really think the worst of us haven't tried things?

      Say one person sees a legitimate gain from a supplement. What's the value in calling it a cure? Will that help Tinnitus research or hurt it? If doctors conspired to believe Lipo-flavonoid was the cure, do you think that would generate more or less victim blaming when people don't improve? Do you think a medical condition that can be "cured" with a basic vitamin makes the disability look more or less severe?

      I feel like you had success with a supplement and are paranoid that people won't try anything. This is not the case, as here I am disagreeing you, and taking a cocktail every day.
       
    15. ThomasW

      ThomasW Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      February 2019(nearly gone)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Medication
      No I just cured my own tinnitus through research and understanding that tinnitus is a symptom, not a condition. Address the condition and it's highly likely your tinnitus will go completely. I've read endlessly into the various mechanisms that cause tinnitus and the ways it you can find relief or even a cure.

      All I want is to try and share this knowledge on this forum to help people but I'm just tired of the super negative vibe on here.
       
    16. Zugzug

      Zugzug Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown; Likely autoimmune; Certainly not noise-induced
      I know what you're saying, but who are the people that refuse to try supplements? Do you really think people are sitting there with their lives in shambles and they refuse to pop a vitamin? The reason why it has a negative vibe is because it's something people are already doing. When you shout supplements from the rooftops, you're basically just rubbing in that they work for you, but not others.

      Also, "address the condition" it mostly out of our control; humans simply don't regrow hair cells. That's why there's all the hype behind the hair cell, synapse, and nerve regeneration medications in the pipeline.

      If there is anyone reading this, yes, if you can afford it, you should try supplements (under the supervision of a medical professional). Hell, try TRT for loudness hyperacusis (I did). Just don't let people slam it down your throat when it doesn't work.
       
    17. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Contrast
      No Mood

      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury

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