Headphones & Tinnitus — Do / Can You Still Use Them?

[Erlend]

I thought we could discuss in this thread the effect of headphones have on tinnitus.

Do you still use headphones to listen to music? Or is that only a memory from the past?
Do you think it's too easy to listen at high volumes with headphones?

What's wrong with headphones? I use these for pink noise and music all the time.

 

[Per]

Koss Porta Pro is an old friend and enemy of mine. As I don't know what caused my severe T&H as of yet, that piece of audio equipment could very well be the main source of my misery. Music and sound played trough a headset is amplified so many times, just at medium levels you can easily exceed 85db with what sounds like just the half. Some countries put disclaimers on them now. I can't risk further damaging my hearing and headset use (however low it may be) can contribute to worsening my T&H.

I haven't used my trusted Koss since June. Don't think I'll ever use items like that ever again - I doubt it. That's pretty hard for a person that used to wear them for hours every day all year around. I even had different pairs for different occasions.

 

[meeruf]

Koss Porta Pro is an old friend and enemy of mine. As I don't know what caused my severe T&H as of yet, that piece of audio equipment could very well be the main source of my misery. Music and sound played trough a headset is amplified so many times, just at medium levels you can easily exceed 85db with what sounds like just the half. Some countries put disclaimers on them now. I can't risk further damaging my hearing and headset use (however low it may be) can contribute to worsening my T&H.

I haven't used my trusted Koss since June. Don't think I'll ever use items like that ever again - I doubt it. That's pretty hard for a person that used to wear them for hours every day all year around. I even had different pairs for different occasions.

You should use closed headphones. To much people boost their music when they are out in the street so they don't hear the traffic.

 

[Erlend]

I always keep it at a volume where I can also hear someone talking to me perfectly fine.

 

[LadyDi]

I use this lightweight Sennheiser sports head set to listen to masking nature sounds, brown noise, light classical music during the day. It's always low enough that I can easily have a conversation with someone. Also, the buds don't cover my ears but rest inside them -- so they also don't plug into my ear canals, like true ear buds. The audiologist said they should be fine. You also can talk on your iPhone with this thing. Not sure how it would be any more dangerous than a masking device.

At night, usually start off sleeping with a cheap set of Skullcandy head phones that cover the ear but not tightly. Keep music lower than my T. Again, audiologist said it was OK. Hope I'm not screwing things up here! You guys are much more audio savvy than me.

 

[Per]

You should use closed headphones. To much people boost their music when they are out in the street so they don't hear the traffic.

To exclude yourself from environmental sound by using headphones is potentially damaging to the ear/brain and I believe that we are creating conditions for T&H to develop, I never tough of this before but I wish I did. It makes sense. Had a long chat with a senior T therapist and author of books on T&H about this and he cursed headphones. His advice was to INCLUDE environmental sounds and stop excluding. A lot of people develop severe H this way. As mentioned numerous times on this forum I don't yet know my T&H cause but wearing headphones for hours every day for years surely didn't help. Wish I never did that, music on speakers can go so much louder without creating damage (acoustic shock or hearing loss) than secluded equipment like headphones. By excluding yourself from everyday natural noises you create a lowered threshold and thus making T&H so much easier to occur. I used to wear headphones with music to remove myself from my environment and exclude social demands. I wanted to exclude myself from the hassle of everyday life while working, traveling, walking, sporting etc. I'm pretty convinced this created some problems with the whole auditory system, the central nervous system etc.

PS: Noise cancellation headsets are also potentially very damaging based on the same principles. They haven't been around long enough to produce any scientific reports but they are already being branded with red disclaimers in the most conservative countries, my best guess is that it will be global warnings within a couple of years. There's a lot of scientific data on sound proof environments creating T. Almost ironic isn't it.

 

[TJPositive]

Headphones that sit on the ears I'd be okay with. Earplugs are a no-go. I don't like having my ears blocked and nearly nothing but the noise from the plugs being directed straight into the ear. Irrational as it may be considering I would have control over the volume, since the development of my T I've become phobic to certain noise.

 

[yonkapin]

You can definitely still use headphones, just be wary of volume and the length of exposure.

 

[Per]

You can definitely still use headphones, just be wary of volume and the length of exposure.

But why take the risk. You never know what your new time threshold is for that close of a sound exposure, also the level threshold has changed. It's like saying it's ok to take just small fragments of heroin, but not so much that it becomes addictive and if your been an addict before then show extra caution.

Well, for me it's a personal decision to avoid more exposure to headphones, now I only expose myself to music on speakers on a very low volume, as a matter of fact its not really music but radio chat, tv etc. Just to keep the hearing muscles going. To put music straight into my ear via headphones is a thing of the past. It's a "kill your darling" process that had to arrive. With T&H I treat things like that very differently than before.

 

[Leah]

To exclude yourself from environmental sound by using headphones is potentially damaging to the ear/brain and I believe that we are creating conditions for T&H to develop, I never tough of this before but I wish I did. It makes sense. Had a long chat with a senior T therapist and author of books on T&H about this and he cursed headphones. His advice was to INCLUDE environmental sounds and stop excluding. A lot of people develop severe H this way. As mentioned numerous times on this forum I don't yet know my T&H cause but wearing headphones for hours every day for years surely didn't help. Wish I never did that, music on speakers can go so much louder without creating damage (acoustic shock or hearing loss) than secluded equipment like headphones. By excluding yourself from everyday natural noises you create a lowered threshold and thus making T&H so much easier to occur. I used to wear headphones with music to remove myself from my environment and exclude social demands. I wanted to exclude myself from the hassle of everyday life while working, traveling, walking, sporting etc. I'm pretty convinced this created some problems with the whole auditory system, the central nervous system etc.

PS: Noise cancellation headsets are also potentially very damaging based on the same principles. They haven't been around long enough to produce any scientific reports but they are already being branded with red disclaimers in the most conservative countries, my best guess is that it will be global warnings within a couple of years. There's a lot of scientific data on sound proof environments creating T. Almost ironic isn't it.

I will always wonder about the noise canceling headphones and my T. I used mine a lot, many nights slept in them to shut out external noise. Many times the music or podcast would end and nothing would be playing.

 

[daedalus]

I can use my headphones without trouble but i set them at low volume. Distracting trough earphones helped me a lot. But i have no hyperacusis. You could try at very very low volume for short times. And then increase the time but not the volume. Slowly, at your pace.

 

[yonkapin]

But why take the risk. You never know what your new time threshold is for that close of a sound exposure, also the level threshold has changed. It's like saying it's ok to take just small fragments of heroin, but not so much that it becomes addictive and if your been an addict before then show extra caution.

Well, for me it's a personal decision to avoid more exposure to headphones, now I only expose myself to music on speakers on a very low volume, as a matter of fact its not really music but radio chat, tv etc. Just to keep the hearing muscles going. To put music straight into my ear via headphones is a thing of the past. It's a "kill your darling" process that had to arrive. With T&H I treat things like that very differently than before.

Well, I definitely understand the hestitation, especially with the hyperacusis - it's rough!

I think it depends on the individual and what they feel comfortable with to be honest, listening to something at 70db through a pair of headphones or ear plugs is the same as listening to something at 70db from a pair of speakers. It's about being sensible when it comes to how loud and how long you decide to bang out on headphones.

With hyperacusis though, it's a whole nother' kettle of fish and something I also struggle with.

 

[LadyDi]

I'm lucky... I have some noise sensitivity but also don't have hyperacusis. Using a speaker isn't really an option for me at work, even on low volume, as I sit surrounded by others. But I take "headphone breaks" throughout the day.

I am very cautious, however, about how frequently I wear my earplugs (I got the individually molded musician one from Etymotics, expensive but worth it). I have noticed I have a brief hypersensitivity to sound when I first remove them, even if I have worn them for just a couple hours. So I save them for really loud places, like movies, concerts and noisy restaurants.

 

[Shuffle]

I still use mine, but for short periods only really. They are handy on the old vintage tractors, as having them (in ear type) in is nearly as good as plugs, and I get a little positive noise too.

 

[Golly]

I should qualify my vote, as it is the only "No" so far. I very rarely ever used headphones in the first place. So the fact that I avoid them now is not solely due to my increased concern over the health of my ears. My generation grew up without iPods so I never got into the habit. -Golly

 

[Per]

listening to something at 70db through a pair of headphones or ear plugs is the same as listening to something at 70db from a pair of speakers.

You see, I'm not totally convinced about that. There's been some studies generating theories that sound travels so much shorter from the earpads into the inner ear and to the auditory cortex than external sound sources. It's a recipe for acoustic trauma. By using headphones and buds you also exclude yourself from external sound sources in a very dramatic way compared to when you listen to speakers in a room, this creates an environment where T&H can thrive. So a decibel is not automatically a decibel, its the way it is received. Perhaps just like crack cocain, it's just cocain received trough the lungs. It travels super-fast to the central nervous system and becomes more potent.

There are probably more theory than one on this matter but to me it makes sense, not too much in the world of T&H does. It's so much theories and so little scientific evidence, I think user stories and experiences is important. A lot of people wearing headsets with even moderate volume get T, like pilots for instance.

 

[Sherri786]

I don't use them anymore . Also read somewhere something about moisture accumulating inside the ears due to longer periods of headphone usage.

 

[Hattukoira]

ENT told me that I should avoid using headphones. At first I was a bit skeptical but I decided to not use them for a week. My T is now much quieter.

 

[George Brady]

I use pillow speakers keep them about 6in away from my ears. Earbuds hurt my ears.

 

[Hattukoira]

To all active headphone users.

If you can, please take a few days break from headphones and see how it affects your T(and H).
Of course every person is different and it may not help, but it won't hurt to try.

I know I said this already but my T is much lower now because I stop using my headphones(I'm using speakers now).

 

[Constable85]

Nope I don't use them at all anymore. I used them a lot from my teens into my thirties. But as I approach 40 with T they are a thing of the past. Jeez, I remember listening to music in my head phones while mowing lawns with no hearing protection! So dumb. Nobody warned me about that, which shocks me a bit. To this day I see a lot of people mowing lawns with no hearing protection. Big mistake.

 

[Gr8fulDude]

Wish I was warned about hearing loss and T from concerts and loud headphones. Now I am wiser and use good plugs for concerts and decent headphones but at a much lower volume. I don't think I will waste money on a high end speaker system though given my compromised hearing which probably limits my ability to appreciate finer acoustics.

 

[spingee]

Koss Porta pro is well known ear killer. I lost part of my hearing becouse of them and my friend too.
They have strong basses and bit weaker highs, also they have big impedance so they are louder and need less energy. I use them still but with very low volume and changed equalizer.

 

[orbiter12]

Starting a thread to discuss the use of headphones with tinnitus. Feel free to comment adding the following information, or anything else you feel necessary.

Do you still use headphones?

What type of headphones do you use (IEMs, over ear, closed back, open back, noise cancelling, brand etc)

How often do you use them?

Do you notice any spikes after using them?

Was your tinnitus noise induced?

Feel free add or discuss anything else relating to headphones in this thread.

 

[Michael Leigh]

I am an Audiophile and appreciate listening to music that is reproduced through a high quality audio system and used to listen to music through High-End headphones that eventually caused tinnitus due to listening at high volume levels that I didn't think were harmful. I haven't used headphones for the passed 21 years. I now listen to music through my HI-FI system and haven't missed headphones in the slightest. My views on headphone use and tinnitus are primarily for when it was caused by "exposure to loud noise" I have written posts on this and the most resent is below.

Michael

My views on headphone use apply to people whose tinnitus was caused by "noise exposure". Tinnitus caused by other problems not associated with noise trauma to the auditory system may not be so easily affected by headphone use. When a GP or ENT doctor, tells a tinnitus patient that has suffered tinnitus from noise trauma, there is no problem with headphones as long as the volume is kept low, they are telling the patient what they want to hear, they don't really know of the risks. These people are good health professionals but the majority of them have never experienced tinnitus or know of the emotional impact that it has on an individual. They won't be the one that's going through the suffering if the tinnitus gets worse due to headphone use.

It is true, some people with noise-induced tinnitus are not affected by headphone use but I believe there is always a risk. Someone that I used to counsel, was told by her Audiologist headphone use is perfectly okay as long as the volume is kept low. The person in question used headphones keeping the volume low, and her tinnitus and hyperacusis become unbearably loud.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/headphones-and-tinnitus.12062/

 

[cviechec]

I am an Audiophile and appreciate listening to music that is reproduced through a high quality audio system and used to listen to music through High-End headphones that eventually caused tinnitus due to listening at high volume levels that I didn't think were harmful. I haven't used headphones for the passed 21 years. I now listen to music through my HI-FI system and haven't missed headphones in the slightest. My views on headphone use and tinnitus are primarily for when it was caused by "exposure to loud noise" I have written posts on this and the most resent is below.

Michael

My views on headphone use apply to people whose tinnitus was caused by "noise exposure". Tinnitus caused by other problems not associated with noise trauma to the auditory system may not be so easily affected by headphone use. When a GP or ENT doctor, tells a tinnitus patient that has suffered tinnitus from noise trauma, there is no problem with headphones as long as the volume is kept low, they are telling the patient what they want to hear, they don't really know of the risks. These people are good health professionals but the majority of them have never experienced tinnitus or know of the emotional impact that it has on an individual. They won't be the one that's going through the suffering if the tinnitus gets worse due to headphone use.

It is true, some people with noise-induced tinnitus are not affected by headphone use but I believe there is always a risk. Someone that I used to counsel, was told by her Audiologist headphone use is perfectly okay as long as the volume is kept low. The person in question used headphones keeping the volume low, and her tinnitus and hyperacusis become unbearably loud.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/headphones-and-tinnitus.12062/

I am almost positive my T is from otoxicity, so would safe headphone use be appropriate?

 

[Michael Leigh]

I am almost positive my T is from otoxicity, so would safe headphone use be appropriate?

If you are sure the tinnitus wasn't caused by loud noise then yes, headphone use should be okay, but Iwould keep the volume low.
Michael

 

[canuhearmenow]

Yes, I listen to all my music through headphones and am doing so now. I keep all my music, close to 4000 songs, in digital format and listen to music whenever I'm using the computer.

I have a Thinkpad X61 that serves as my .mp3 player I keep by my recliner and when watching a movie with subtitles sometimes listen to music while watching.

I just bought my 4th pair of lightweight Koss KTXPRO1 Titanium headphones due to wearing off the foam that covers the earpiece, though I now see they sell replacements for them. They are the successor of the RadioShack Pro35 Titanium headphones and at approximately $20 a pair sound better than my $100 Bose earbuds

I'm planning on getting a pair of the Koss Pro 44AAT Titanium closed over the ear headphones next.