How Can I Counteract the Possible Effects Sensodyne Toothpaste Has Caused for My Tinnitus?

[shasta0863]

I guess I should first ask, how the hell is it possible. How is the ingredients of this toothpaste going into my system through the teeth or gums, and then affecting the inner ear?

I've read only a handful of anecdotal stuff from people who said their tinnitus got worse on this toothpaste, but I still can't believe it. But I am living proof. My noise induced tinnitus IS WORSE. I know my tinnitus inside and out, and have struggled for years with up and downs, but this is a complete difference. It happened after using this god awful toothpaste. It was even worse when I woke up. My tinnitus has stayed the same for a long time with changes I'm used to. This isn't anywhere close to it.

Another person on a different website literally described what I now have,

"Good idea get another brand of toothpaste. I still have the high pitch fluctuating like electricity."

Even a few comments on this website had shown a few possibly had problems with this.

It took my background static in both ears and turned it into a high Hz sizzling fluctuating static on top of it being reactive to noises and competing with them (which I've had before, but never with this loud of tinnitus).

I feel disgusted with myself, I CANNOT make these mistakes. I did not look up the toothpaste before use. And since I brush for 4-5 minutes it was in there for awhile.

I've beat myself up over this, because I cannot believe this happened over 1 use. But it did, this really did change everything. I'm in pain all day as the sharpness of the static fluctuating is grueling. I cannot mask it outside of a shower or faucet. Even driving in car with radio doesn't mask it.

I've never dealt with this before, only noise. I don't know what to take or do. Would NAC and other usually recommended stuff for noise trauma's still apply here. I don't even know how the toothpaste could affect the tinnitus, even if Potassium nitrate or what ever other ingredient in there was ototoxic. How is it reaching the inner ear.

I'm really at a loss. I'm already struggling with this new middle ear myclonus issue off and on in my right ear, I can't take anymore. I feel dead.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

The association for most that receive tinnitus or a get a spike from sensodyne toothpaste is high blood cholesterol. Maybe consider a blood test to check cholesterol levels, a lipid panel or lipid profile. HDL is considered good cholesterol, but even if your LDL - bad cholesterol is not very high, try this:

Lower saturated fats, drink a good brand of spring or filtered water, As you know sensodyne toothpaste contains stannous fluoride besides potassium nitrate. Exercise more. Foods or green vegies with potassium isn't much, if all of a concern. Potassium lowers body salt content. If you have high cholesterol consider NADH and for tinnitus consider NAC - both can be used up to 12 weeks usually with no side effects.

 

[Lane]

As you know sensodyne toothpaste contains stannous fluoride besides potassium nitrate.

Here's a couple other threads on this topic. -- @shasta0863 - So sorry to hear about this development. I sincerely hope this can get better for you soon!

1. Spike Caused by Potassium Nitrate in the Toothpaste!
   ...seems like others T had been caused or spiked due to the Potassium Nitrate in their toothpaste too, even caused deafness to some. Check your...
   
   
2. Potassium Nitrate - Ouch!
   ...eustachian tubes as reason for T. Had something with potassium nitrate in it earlier today and POW - the T went through the roof. Edit - it...

 

[shasta0863]

The association for most that receive tinnitus or a get a spike from sensodyne toothpaste is high blood cholesterol. Maybe consider a blood test to check cholesterol levels, a lipid panel or lipid profile. HDL is considered good cholesterol, but even if your LDL - bad cholesterol is not very high, try this:

Lower saturated fats, drink a good brand of spring or filtered water, As you know sensodyne toothpaste contains stannous fluoride besides potassium nitrate. Exercise more. Foods or green vegies with potassium isn't much, if all of a concern. Potassium lowers body salt content. If you have high cholesterol consider NADH and for tinnitus consider NAC - both can be used up to 12 weeks usually with no side effects.

Thanks. I recall my cholesterol being within good range from a few months back, but will double check.

What I don't seem to understand, is that is it possible through the mouth that it got absorbed into the bloodstream and made it's way to the inner ear to cause havoc? That seems absurd to me, but how else could this have affected me if it did not assault the inner ear.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Even a small amount of anything being swallowed passes thru the sulcus ventriculi and stomach (and all that jazz) into the small bowel where it's taken into the bloodstream.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

What! Sensodyne toothpaste can hurt out tinnitus??? (I use it as it has great positive effect on my sensitive teeth)

I give up! This condition is impossible.

 

[Lane]

how else could this have affected me if it did not assault the inner ear.

@shasta0863 -- My understanding is there are direct nerve connections between the teeth and the cochlea. I've read that for some people who are deaf in one ear, but not in the other, a device is used to send a chochlear signal from the working cochlea--via a molar nerve--to the other one. So if the nerve(s) in your teeth are currently traumatized in some manner, that trauma would likely be transmitted directly to your ears.

I would consider putting things in your mouth--such as St. John's Wort Oil--which may have the potential to calm down your teeth nerves. Perhaps that calming would then extend to your ears. There are likely other things you could hold in your mouth, but the SJW Oil is what I'm familiar with, and know it has a calming affect wherever you apply it on your body. -- BTW, I make my own SJW Oil. It grows in abundance around here, and is really quite easy to make.

 

[linearb]

What! Sensodyne toothpaste can hurt out tinnitus??? (I use it as it has great positive effect on my sensitive teeth)

No, it almost certainly can't.

People get random spikes all the time. People without strong biochem backgrounds are not in any way qualified to assess possible pharmacology of trace elements from toothpastes entering the GI or bloodstream.

People have reported associations between all sorts of things that just don't make sense, and tinnitus, from switching hair dye brands, to getting a haircut, to using low-volume devices for short periods of time. In all these cases, I think the tinnitus is idiopathic and the patient is seeing a correlation between the noise and whatever happened to be going on in their life, or whatever they changed at the time.

If you had a noise trauma, severe illness, or significant traumatic to the head/neck/back/jaw, or exposure to a handful of things truly shown in multiple RCTs to be strongly correlated with tinnitus onset, then it's reasonable to draw a connection. Lacking those things, making such connections is just the human brain trying to construct a narrative out of chaos, and you cannot trust those impulses.

tl;dr if you use sensodyne and find it useful, ignore this thread, more or less

I would consider putting things in your mouth--such as St. John's Wort Oil--which may have the potential to calm down your teeth nerves.

Respectfully, do you have any evidence that SJW oil can be absorbed sublingually, or, likewise, thaten if it can, it "has the potential to calm down nerves"? These statements are pretty ambiguous and don't make a lot of sense to me given what I know about SJW; I am not a professional herbalist or anything but that is one I used pretty extensively for quite a while, and it's also one that's been researched more than a lot of the random herbs people take, so I'd say I know a fair amount about it and your comment here sets off some alarms for me.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

No, it almost certainly can't.

People get random spikes all the time. People without strong biochem backgrounds are not in any way qualified to assess possible pharmacology of trace elements from toothpastes entering the GI or bloodstream.

People have reported associations between all sorts of things that just don't make sense, and tinnitus, from switching hair dye brands, to getting a haircut, to using low-volume devices for short periods of time. In all these cases, I think the tinnitus is idiopathic and the patient is seeing a correlation between the noise and whatever happened to be going on in their life, or whatever they changed at the time.

If you had a noise trauma, severe illness, or significant traumatic to the head/neck/back/jaw, or exposure to a handful of things truly shown in multiple RCTs to be strongly correlated with tinnitus onset, then it's reasonable to draw a connection. Lacking those things, making such connections is just the human brain trying to construct a narrative out of chaos, and you cannot trust those impulses.

tl;dr if you use sensodyne and find it useful, ignore this thread, more or less

Respectfully, do you have any evidence that SJW oil can be absorbed sublingually, or, likewise, thaten if it can, it "has the potential to calm down nerves"? These statements are pretty ambiguous and don't make a lot of sense to me given what I know about SJW; I am not a professional herbalist or anything but that is one I used pretty extensively for quite a while, and it's also one that's been researched more than a lot of the random herbs people take, so I'd say I know a fair amount about it and your comment here sets off some alarms for me.

That's reassuring. Thanks for letting me know. Now I'll keep my Sensodyne toothpaste and use it with a calm mind (and less sensitive teeth )

 

[Lane]

Respectfully, do you have any evidence that SJW oil can be absorbed sublingually, or, likewise, thaten if it can, it "has the potential to calm down nerves"?

I assume you're talking about some kind of "scientific" laboratory tested results from controlled experiments, or something like that. So my short answer would be "no , of course not". I'm not sure however, why that would matter. There will almost certainly never be any of these kinds of tests performed, as there's no money to be made from doing so.

I am not a professional herbalist or anything but that is one I used pretty extensively for quite a while, and it's also one that's been researched more than a lot of the random herbs people take, so I'd say I know a fair amount about it and your comment here sets off some alarms for me.

Well, it certainly wasn't my intent to set off alarm bells. In fact, it sort of surprises me that it would. I was just making comments on my own experiences, and how they line up with other testimonials I've seen online. I'm not a professional herbalist either, but I have done a fair amount of wildcrafting, and have noticed something about spending time with an herb during the day.

When I lay down on a night after working with a particular herb, I notice that my body is "tuned" differently than it was prior to working with the herb. In other words, the vibration of the herb settles pretty deeply into my neurological system for a couple days or so afterwards. Based on that, plus my own extensive use of SJW oil on all kinds of aches, pains, bruises, etc., I can definitely say--from my own experience--that SJW has a very deep and calming effect on nerves.

Several years ago, I made literally gallons of SJW tincture, and gave away a lot of it (and got a LOT of positive feedback from those who used it). I made up what I called a "St. John's Wort Information Sheet", which explained a bit on the herb and how to use it. The information was a fairly succinct compilation of things I'd read in about five different books on St. John's Wort, and my own experiences with it. I'll just go ahead and paste it below in case anybody is interested:

St. John's Wort Information Sheet
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As you read the following, keep in mind the word "calming". St. John's Wort (SJW) tends to calm the nervous system, muscles, and other types of physical discomforts. It even seems to calm the insects that fly around the plant, plus the wild-crafters (us) who thoroughly enjoyed harvesting it.

Medicinal Uses

SJW has been used therapeutically for hundreds of years to fight infections, reduce inflammation and stimulate the immune system. It has very potent anti-viral, anti-bacterial and anti-fungal properties which make it highly beneficial for any type of wound healing. It has also been used historically for nervous disorders, injured or cut nerves, and sciatica (relief for sciatica can occur in seconds!). It can be very effective for any type of nerve pain, muscle pain, back spasms, neck pain and cramps, TMJ, stress headaches, and trauma from an accident. It is excellent for skin burns, and very good for other skin abrasions, and skin infections. It can be especially helpful for women with PMS, menstrual cramps, and menopausal symptoms. It has also proven to be highly beneficial for depression, insomnia and other sleep disorders. It is a good stomach tonic for ulcers and gastritis, has even been used for epilepsy, and is a common treatment in Europe for bed-wetting.

SJW is an herb that combines extremely well with other herbs for enhanced synergistic qualities. It can be used alone or in conjunction with valerian, passion flower, and/or kava for anxiety, nervousness, or depression. It can also be used alone or in conjunction with Vitex (chaste berry), and/or black cohosh as a women's tonic for PMS, menopausal symptoms, etc. It combines well with arnica to serve as a potent pain reliever. It also seems to help the body tremendously in dealing with stress, especially in combination with Siberian ginseng.

How to Use — SJW tincture can be used internally or externally. Taken internally, it is best to start slowly at about 15 drops (approx. 1 dropperful), 1-2x/day and gradually build up to as much as 20-30 drops, 2-3x/day. Drops can be taken under the tongue or in a glass of water. [Note: Alcohol dissipation occurs within minutes when using hot water or tea, and but takes up to 24 hours if using cool water]. Even more can be used in cases of significant stress or depression. Listen to what your body is telling you. Some people will notice effects right away, while others won't notice anything for 2-4 weeks or longer. Both the tincture and oil can be applied externally, applied directly onto muscles, skin or wounds, several times a day. Fibromyalgia pain has been reported to be significantly reduced. [Note: The tincture can easily stain clothes and other items; the oil tends not to stain nearly so easily].

Side Effects — Side effects are relatively rare, with only about 1% of users affected. Some slight gastrointestinal symptoms are possible (to prevent this take it with meals). A very few report mild feelings of anxiety or dizziness (simply reduce dosage and proceed more slowly). Concerns of increased photosensitivity stem from cattle eating large amounts of it. There is no evidence of any such reactions in humans from normal therapeutic dosages. Any side effects generally stop as soon as the herb is stopped, with no withdrawal symptoms involved.

Miscellaneous Information — SJW can be grown just about anywhere in the U.S. It's therapeutic value for depression is believed to stem from an ability to increase numerous brain neurotransmitter levels, including serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, GABA and L-Glutamine. These increased levels tend to alleviate symptoms of depression, and often increase the ability to concentrate, relax and sleep. SJW also contains some powerful antioxidants which help detoxify the brain. It is also effective for Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD). For further information on SJW and depression, consider the book St. John's Wort, by Hyla Cass. It's available in the Jackson County Library System.

Unique Characteristics of This SJW Tincture

This SJW was derived primarily from the buds and flowers of the SJW plant, and are wildcrafted in a uniquely pristine environment. This environment helps preserve the inherent vital force of this remarkable herb. Buds and flowers contain many times more active ingredients than the stalks and leaves that are traditionally included in most commercially available preparations. Some companies actually use large farm machinery to harvest whole fields of commercially grown SJW. In addition to using just the SJW buds and flowers, this tincture was twice macerated. This means that after decanting the tincture from a first soaking, it is then poured over another fresh batch of buds and flowers. This extra potency is reflected in the extraordinarily deep purple color of this tincture.

Considerations When Using a High Potency SJW Tincture

The deep purple color of SJW contains the same family of antioxidants (OPCs) that make cranberry juice such a good therapy for bladder infections. A high potency tincture makes for a high potency antioxidant and makes it very helpful for many types of internal infections. But some considerations are in order:

Prescription Drug Considerations

Being a very potent detoxifier, SJW has many beneficial effects for a wide variety of physical conditions involving toxicity. But it appears it may also have a tendency to detoxify and lower the level of certain prescription drugs in the body. The FDA maintains a special website that lists categories of prescription drugs they feel may be impacted by SJW. This site currently mentions certain AIDS drugs, transplant drugs and heart medications. The website can be accessed at: Preventable Adverse Drug Reactions: A Focus on Drug Interactions

Birth Control Considerations

Results from two studies suggest that SJW may render birth control pills less effective. They are evidently metabolized in the same way as the AIDS and transplant drugs mentioned above. Conversely, preliminary research indicates high doses may impair sperm's ability to penetrate an egg. Personal research would be recommended if either of these are a concern.

Nervous System Regeneration

On a very positive note, a high potency SJW formula is ideal when attempting nerve regeneration. Herbalist Richard Schultze considers SJW in sufficient quantity crucial when attempting nervous system regeneration. He feels SJW, and other nerve stimulators such as skullcap, celery seed and kola nut are superior to using other well-known sedating nervine herbs such as valerian, passion flower, hops, etc. He recommends using an average day's dosage every waking hour, or 1-2 dropperfuls per hour. Building up to this level gradually is the best way to proceed, backing off if necessary. Some people with chronic diseases have an amazing capacity to consume large amounts of SJW, and feel better the more they take. Appropriate dosage is a very individual undertaking, and continual monitoring is advised.

SJW, by most accounts, appears to be a unique herbal remedy for our times. With the constant stresses and strains we are bombarded with on a daily basis, this herb appears to have unique and powerful qualities to help protect, strengthen and balance our bodies' many systems, especially our neurological system. As with all products, it is wise to keep abreast of any supplement you are taking. Fortunately, SJW is being extensively studied and more scientific data are available all the time. Based on feedback I've received, SJW can truly help transform lives in a variety of ways. -- @Star64​

 

[linearb]

I assume you're talking about some kind of "scientific" laboratory tested results from controlled experiments, or something like that. So my short answer would be "no , of course not". I'm not sure however, why that would matter. There will almost certainly never be any of these kinds of tests performed, as there's no money to be made from doing so.

It matters because supplements are sold with almost no testing required in the US, supplement manufacturers make all kinds of totally outlandish claims, and therefore we should be very suspicious of anything that hasn't been proven in a lab.

In addition, in the case of SJW -- literally thousands of scientific studies have been performed, and I am not sure why you would think otherwise?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=st+john's+wort

For one thing there is always a genuine research interest in understanding how obviously psychoactive plants work; for another, there is always pharmaceutical interest in isolating plant compounds and tweaking them. So, far from "no money in it", it looks like, at least, hundreds of millions of dollars have been spent on clinical research around SJW (pubmed has over 3000 studies).

The idea that there are secret things / treatments which "aren't studied because there's no money in it!" is, broadly, an untrue statement that alternative health sites use to sell products which haven't been shown to be safe or efficient.

I think we have a lot in common, as far as "wildcrafting", a general interest in herbalism, experimention with plant-based therapies of one kind or another. I just try to be very careful in my communication, because -- once we start using our own bodies as a test bed, we are into "very subjective, sample size 1" data. The frustrating thing is -- such data is often our best and only way of understanding ourselves or "feeling better", but it's so profoundly unscientific that it's worse than useless to anyone else, but our usual tendency is to be biased by our own experience and say "thing X did Y to me, try it".... even though we don't actually have any way of knowing it was X that led to Y.

As for your longer excerpt, it seems like an okay primer for someone about to self-experiment with SJW but there are a few sentence that make me cringe such as

Being a very potent detoxifier, SJW has many beneficial effects for a wide variety of physical conditions involving toxicity.

This kind of statement is very popular in alternative medicine. It has, literally, no medical meaning. There is no medical concept of a "detoxifier", that's not a real thing, and "toxicity" is a broad term which can mean a ton of things in different contexts. Someone who drank a bottle of ethanol and has alcohol toxicity has very different problems from someone who ate a Death's Head Amanita mushroom and is entering a toxic liver state -- and neither person would benefit from SJW.

On a very positive note, a high potency SJW formula is ideal when attempting nerve regeneration. Herbalist Richard Schultze considers SJW in sufficient quantity crucial when attempting nervous system regeneration. He feels SJW, and other nerve stimulators such as skullcap, celery seed and kola nut are superior to using other well-known sedating nervine herbs such as valerian, passion flower, hops, etc.

I don't think this is a "positive note" at all, this sounds like "some guy has these beliefs which he provides absolutely zero evidence to support, and he uses medical-sounding terms which actually have no medical meaning such as 'nervous system regeneration'".

I am all for personal exploration of various plant compounds. I distrust basically any company selling them and 95% of people who work with them professionally, because they all make these appeals to things that sound like science and medicine but are not.

 

[linearb]

and @Lane I am not trying to jump down your throat, my frustration is not with you at all, it is with an alt-med industry swayed by charlatans and scammers, using fake science to sell fake cures to desperate people.

 

[Lane]

@Lane I am not trying to jump down your throat, my frustration is not with you at all, it is with an alt-med industry swayed by charlatans and scammers, using fake science to sell fake cures to desperate people.

Hey linearb, no problemo! I appreciate your thoughts. I also agree with much of what you wrote. I would say I mostly disagree with your emphasis on "science based". I tend to look at the science aspect of health care as being quite limiting if overrelied on. I'd say it should probably comprise no more than about 10% of our health care decision making process. If you're interested, here's a post I made on another forum about a year ago, which reflects a lot of my own thoughts:
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I ran across a very interesting article on the "Flexner Report" that was published in 1910, and had a huge influence on how modern medicine developed in the 20th century. I'd never heard of the report before, but the content of the article fell in line with things I'd long believed about conventional medicine.

I fully realize modern medicine has brought us many wonders, but I've long been aghast at some of its barbaric practices and inhumanity. Most of us are aware that pwME/CFS have long been "out of favor" with conventional medicine because we don't fit within the narrow confines of its training and practice. I think this article goes a long way in explaining how it came to be that we've had to confront so many untenable situations in our search for better health.

Below is part of the introduction. --- BTW, I think the Cancer Tutor website has a lot of great information for anybody trying to discover more about natural ways to treat cancer.

How the Flexner Report Hijacked Natural Medicine - Cancer Tutor

If you've ever wondered how modern-day medicine got to where it is today, you should begin by learning about Abraham Flexner. He's probably one of the most influential men no one has ever heard of.

In 1910 he published the book-length report Medical Education in the United States and Canada which is now known as the Flexner Report. And, the rest, as they say, is history.

Abraham Flexner was not a doctor, but this school teacher and educational theorist from Louisville, Kentucky, has had a more significant impact on modern medicine than just about anyone else.

Though institutions such as Johns Hopkins were already implementing "modern principles" into their work, most medical schools had yet to subscribe to these paradigms.

So what Flexner did was to attempt to align medical education under a set of norms that emphasized laboratory research and the patenting of medicine — both of which would serve to further enrich the estates of the entrepreneurs who funded Flexner's 1910 report: John Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, and others.

Sounds like a win-win, right? … Well, not exactly.

In fact, chances are that if Flexner had not submitted his report that audited medical schools in the United States and Canada, we would not have a society heavily biased in favor of many inhumane and unnatural medical practices that we have today.​

 

[linearb]

@Lane that all makes sense to me; I'd only counter to say that I don't think a lot of what passes for modern medicine meets my bar for being truly "science based", and I think that proving things work with RCTs is really the only way to prove they "work" in the general sense and not in the body of some particular individual with their belief system. So, my tendency is to aggressively identify and attack places where the scientific community is being steered by things that are actually not scientific (dogmas, personal ego, having a financial stake in an existing thing, lobby money, etc). But, at the same time and for the same reasons, I will never embrace the sale of things which are fundamentally irrational or not evidence based.

Between a sibling and I, we've had a bunch of problems, and actually out of all of them tinnitus is probably the best understood and most medically "boring", so I have certainly witnessed and run the gauntlet of bad actors behaving badly in the medical and regulatory community. People with ME/CFS are as underserviced by the scientific apparatus as we tinnitus people are, or worse. It's normal (and necessary) for that to push us all down our own weird paths, but if we need to be skeptical of peer reviewed data, I think we need to be doubly skeptical about the information we get exposed to outside of conventional circuits. It is not that it's all wrong, it's just not curated, or, worse, curated by people who have agendas, magical belief systems, or both.

 

[Bill Bauer]

What! Sensodyne toothpaste can hurt out tinnitus??? (I use it as it has great positive effect on my sensitive teeth)

I have also been using it. I guess last night was the last time...

 

[Bill Bauer]

as there's no money to be made from doing so

Professors need to publish to get promoted/get tenure. This sounds like an easy publication. So actually there is a lot of money there.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Total FDA complaint percentage of all sensodyne toothpaste complaints is 0.52 tinnitus. Not a higher percentage than aspirin. If I was using sensodyne toothpaste and had no problems, I would continue to use it. For those having T problems they would need to swallow it.

 

[Lane]

For those having T problems they would need to swallow it, as absorbing into the gums would not do harm.

I don't understand how you can say that so definitively. Unless I'm missing something, Sensodyne seems to have the potential to irritate nerves within gum tissue. Is so, then why wouldn't that have the potential to cause or exacerbate tinnitus? Seems pretty straightforward that it's a distinct possibility, especially since there are multiple reports on this forum of that happening.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Lane I had used white out on that remark because I didn't want to provide long medical links that explain adsorption an absorption.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Lane I had worked with someone who was a switch board operator and received T&H from headphone use. Her T&H disappeared, but came back mildly. She had started using sensodyne toothpaste. Several months after stopping, her mild T &H disappeared again. She believed that some of the toothpaste fluid was entering her throat. She did not have problems with gums, soft tissue / palate or salvia glands.

I have two links with a total of 300 complaints per this toothpaste. Another well known site beginning with a T, that's no longer active had an endless number of complaints saying that this toothpaste caused or increased T&H. I had read thru those messages a couple of years ago, because I was thinking of using this toothpaste. I also thought about the switch board operator and decided not to.

The FDA has been all over this toothpaste more than once. Included was false advertising and wood chips - grains of wood being found in the toothpaste.

Sensodyne seems to have the potential to irritate nerves within gum tissue. Is so, then why wouldn't that have the potential to cause or exacerbate tinnitus? Seems pretty straightforward that it's a distinct possibility, especially since there are multiple reports on this forum of that happening.

In the links that I have, there's also complaints on how it irritate nerves within gum tissue. There is a way that this can keep T&H on bay besides swallowing and it's by way of salvia glands.

 

[Bill Bauer]

What! Sensodyne toothpaste can hurt out tinnitus??? (I use it as it has great positive effect on my sensitive teeth)

I give up! This condition is impossible.

Some types of Sensodyne toothpaste (e.g., the one I have now, that has "repair enamel" prominent on its label) don't have Potassium Nitrate listed...

 

[shasta0863]

What! Sensodyne toothpaste can hurt out tinnitus??? (I use it as it has great positive effect on my sensitive teeth)

I give up! This condition is impossible.

Not everyone at least. If you've used it with no issue, then you're probably fine. It must be something that reacted very badly with my system/ears. Pretty stunning. I'm still in shock, as toothpaste would never be an issue to me. But I should of been more careful, obviously with some type of agent in there to hinder the nerves, it's going to be different than normal toothpaste.

My laziness on not looking it up really was my downfall.

 

[shasta0863]

@shasta0863 -- My understanding is there are direct nerve connections between the teeth and the cochlea. I've read that for some people who are deaf in one ear, but not in the other, a device is used to send a chochlear signal from the working cochlea--via a molar nerve--to the other one. So if the nerve(s) in your teeth are currently traumatized in some manner, that trauma would likely be transmitted directly to your ears.

I would consider putting things in your mouth--such as St. John's Wort Oil--which may have the potential to calm down your teeth nerves. Perhaps that calming would then extend to your ears. There are likely other things you could hold in your mouth, but the SJW Oil is what I'm familiar with, and know it has a calming affect wherever you apply it on your body. -- BTW, I make my own SJW Oil. It grows in abundance around here, and is really quite easy to make.

Interesting point. My back wisdom tooth up top, part cracked off from decay. It's not painful or hurting, but dentist said sooner or later it will need to be removed.

Could this nerve agent then be going through that wisdom tooth much more because the top side broke off and exposed, and it then had an effect on my tinnitus.

Really a lot of unknown. But I can't remember a time it's been this bad. I've had noise spikes before, but this has taken an existing tinnitus and skyrocketed it. It's unreal and I can't even fathom that toothpaste did this but there was zero other differences in my lifestyle for weeks up until that switch.

Do you think the pill form of SJW would be equally as good, or do you think oil being directly into the teeth nerves would be better?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

Some types of Sensodyne toothpaste (e.g., the one I have now, that has "repair enamel" prominent on its label) don't have Potassium Nitrate listed...

They dropped Potassium Nitrate in "repair enamel". Has stannous fluoride

 

[Bill Bauer]

Has stannous fluoride

Do we know whether it is also ototoxic?

 

[shasta0863]

Total FDA complaint percentage of all sensodyne toothpaste complaints is 0.52 tinnitus. Not a higher percentage than aspirin. If I was using sensodyne toothpaste and had no problems, I would continue to use it. For those having T problems they would need to swallow it.

I definitely did not swallow it. I used a good amount though as it wanted a inch strip and brushed for about 4 and half minutes. I also wonder if my wisdom tooth that had a piece break off, perhaps this sesondyne went into it and affected the nerves in such a way that radiated into the inner ear, I don't know. Or the mouth in general absorbs some of this to some degree into the bloodstream.

There's no other way to look at this. I know my T in and out, been fighting for years with up and downs, spikes from noise, ect.,. Never had a chemical/ingredient issue until now. And it changed immediately after brushing. I laid down and was stunned on how high the static level was.

The next morning, it was higher pitch and louder. I read another guy using this toothpaste on another website literally described it as "high pitch electrical fluctuating hiss". Which is, exactly how I hear it.

The cause to me is clear, and I'm still in disbelief. It doesn't make sense, but it's a reality now. I don't know if it will get better, this is new territory for me. I've only dealt with "noise" issues.

Others on this toothpaste with no issues, I obviously wouldn't worry. I had an immediate reaction with in hour and following day. For me, I should of never of done this, no matter how safe it supposedly seemed.

I can only pray I recover, as I'm now in a dark place and its sharpness of the pitch fluctuating is like a jab every half second in my ear.

 

[PeteJ]

What do you use then?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@shasta0863 The way of the E tube is possible.

Do we know whether it is also ototoxic?

It's not for most. Some very rare side effects. I do drink bottled water because of my thyroid.

 

[Lane]

Do you think the pill form of SJW would be equally as good, or do you think oil being directly into the teeth nerves would be better?

@shasta0863 -- I'd recommend the SJW oil directly in your mouth. Since you likely don't have any on hand, I would also consider using sesame oil, which is likely very easy to get. It's purported to help calm tinnitus by applying it to both the outer ears, and on the soles of the feet. I've not tried this, but it sounds like sesame oil is also believed to be calming. The following link has more information on this:

Ayurveda / Ayurvedic Herbs — Indian (Asian) Medicine and Tinnitus

I would also consider putting some bentonite clay in your mouth (with the sesame oil), as the sensodyne may have gotten into some of the tiny crevices of your broken tooth, and bentonite might be able to adsorb it out of there. Just a few thoughts off the top of my head for now. I'll check back in tomorrow.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

bentonite clay

Been using half a tea spoon of sea salt in a glass of distilled water to hold and release for a couple of my mouth problem.
I read today about mixing bentonite clay with DMSO -MMS and water.