Just Started with Low Whooshing Sound

Discussion in 'Introduce Yourself' started by mobileandi, Jan 7, 2018.

    1. mobileandi

      mobileandi Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      4/4/17
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I just started hearing a low frequency whooshing sound in both of my ears. I'm mid-50's and have never had any major health issues. I immediately googled and read that ginkgo biloba drops help tinnitus.

      On my journey to buy the ginkgo, i saw 'ring relief' so I decided to try it. Despite the comments about 'snake oil'. Well, After just one night, there was a huge difference. My Tinnitus went down to a barely audible hum. I do believe that alternative remedies are best.

      I try to clear away from pharma/meds unless absolutely necessary. So whatever is in this herbal 'ring relief' stuff, it works for me. At least for now. As many of you know, any kind of relief from inside noises is a big deal. So at least I'll be getting a good nights sleep tonight. Hoping it works for all of you also.
       
    2. Bill Bauer
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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
    3. Julien87
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      Julien87 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      France
      Tinnitus Since:
      2006
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure (concert)
      Oh really, and what allows you to assert this? What do you mean vulnerable? More prone to damage? Why would it be the case? There is absolutely no scientific evidence that can back this statement. And don't show me your list of horror stories, for god's sake, we both now these horror stories also happen to "traumatized" people who did not have tinnitus before.
       
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    4. Bill Bauer
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      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      Here is a handful (a tip of the iceberg, as we get these stories more often than on a weekly basis posted on this forum) of examples where people had their T get louder after being exposed to noise that healthy people wouldn't even notice.

      In this first one, her T was pretty much gone, and something trivial got her her T back. I am having trouble finding @jjflyman 's post where he describes the minor noise that had caused his T to Return.

      The rest of the examples are people whose T got a lot louder after noise exposure. The original poster still has some minor T, so those stories are very relevant for this case.

      xb
      {This was back in July. Lex has experienced improvement, but she is still struggling with this spike.}

      Does the above answer your question, or would you like me to provide you with more examples?
      Your guess is as good as mine. I think it is because our ears have been compromised.
      Science is based on observations. Above, I provided you with observations. One bad experience proves that an activity is unsafe. One good experience does NOT prove that the activity is safe.

      The fact that there are no published studies about what causes T and H spikes means we have to use all of the information available to us. This is what I have been doing.
      I thought you wanted us to use science. Science is about observations. In any case, the horror stories above are there for the benefit of the original poster. I hope the original poster will learn from the mistakes made by others.
      I have no idea what you are talking about. I certainly don't know this. Even if the above is "a thing", I have no idea what relevance it has to our case. This is like saying "a blind person does not need to worry about being hit by a car when walking down a busy street, as we both know that agitated stressed out people are also more likely to step from the pavement onto the road and be hit by a car."
       
    5. Aaron123

      Aaron123 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      00/0000
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      Irrelevant
      A series of posts on a web forum does not constitute "science".
       
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    6. Bill Bauer
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      February, 2017
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      Acoustic Trauma
      You can't use those experiences to find the Probability that you will get hurt, but you can use those experiences to establish that that Probability is not zero. When it comes to something with as much negative impact on one's ability to enjoy life as T, many people would not want to take any chances.

      I have talked to people on this forum for close to a year. In my sample of a couple of dozens people whose progress I got a chance to observe (and my sample includes me), a significant fraction learned the hard way that it makes sense to be more careful from now on. So we are not talking about a one in a million chance of being hurt.

      And here is a link where I used the results of a poll and statistics
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...-tinnitus-and-regretted-it.23061/#post-269381
      to prove a statement
      The above is evidence that the risk we are talking about is likely above 1%. This risk seems to be unacceptable to me.
       
    7. Aaron123

      Aaron123 Member

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      00/0000
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      Surely you didn't think the probability was 0.

      Your confidence interval is appropriate only for the self-selected sample of people who chose to respond to that particular poll on this web site. It doesn't generalize beyond that.
       
    8. Bill Bauer
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      I understand that. But you would agree that these results are consistent with the idea that the risk is not trivial (and that is all I was after when I computed that confidence interval).
       
    9. Bill Bauer
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      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

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      Acoustic Trauma
      If you were to read my post, you would see that I am not using those horror stories as evidence. I am saying that those stories are examples of the stories we get to see here on a Weekly basis (during the summer there would be multiple ones every day, but yes sometimes there are days when a story like that is not posted, so to be very conservative I will say "weekly"). The rate of arrival of these anecdotes is evidence that the risk is nontrivial.
       
    10. Aaron123

      Aaron123 Member

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      Irrelevant
      No, I wouldn't. The stories on this site and the results of a particular poll aren't good evidence of risks to any other population.
      No, it isn't.
       
    11. Bill Bauer
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      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

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      February, 2017
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      Acoustic Trauma
      I can't see the population responding to the poll on this site being So different from the population of people reading this site that the risk is hundreds or thousands of times lower for the latter population.
       
    12. Bill Bauer
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      Actually, now that I think about it, all studies in social science suffer from a similar limitation. A researcher can select X people who are representative of the population a researcher wants to study. The researcher would then ask those people to fill a survey. The problem is that not all of the X people will bother to reply to the survey. You can't Make people answer your surveys. In this case, the population of people who are on this site is the relevant population for us, people who are on this site. Just like with all social science research, not everyone who saw the poll chose to respond to it. So, just like all of the social scientist researchers, all we need to do is to be mindful of this limitation. But it does NOT mean that there is no reason to have surveys ever again, that the information one gets from a survey is useless.
       
    13. Aaron123

      Aaron123 Member

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      00/0000
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      Irrelevant
      I spend much of my time working with survey data and never said that there is no reason to have surveys again or that the information obtained from surveys are useless.

      Non-response in cross-section surveys and attrition in longitudinal surveys are real issues. These issues may or may not be a problem in a statistical analysis. It depends on whether the reasons for non-response are random or not.

      Additionally, folks who work with data also worry about self-selection. For example, people who post on this web site are a self-selected sample of people who have tinnitus. Additionally, people who respond to a specific thread are a self-selected sample of people are members of this site. Self-selected samples are almost always a problem. There are still ways to make inference about a broader population in that case, but it is more challenging.

      Only if the people who responded to the survey are a random sample of the people on this site - which I don't believe is the case.

      Regardless, this is way off the topic of the thread. My apologies to the original poster.
       
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    14. Bill Bauer
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      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

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      So the findings are relevant to everyone in the subpopulation of people who post on this forum. In other words, they are relevant to everyone who posts on this forum and who read that thread.
      I agree that this is a problem and I have always known that this was a problem. But like I said, I don't believe the populations are Radically different. If the lower bound of that confidence interval is 8%, I wouldn't expect the true value to be 10 times smaller.
       

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