Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Tinnitus Talk, Apr 20, 2019.

    1. DaveFromChicago

      DaveFromChicago Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Are you referring to Desyncra or Lenire?

      Desyncra went out of business over one year ago (and closed down their Web Site).

      Lenire has established their US Headquarters in Oakbrook, IL, which is 11 miles away from where I am. I do not believe they have yet to issue their device to Audiologists.
       
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    2. Bambam0
      Cool

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      Fair! I'm still trying it if it comes to the US and there is no sign of Auricle in sight. Maybe the TENT-A2 trials reveals something different. Remember, @kelpiemsp experienced silence after using a variation of this tech.
       
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    3. DaveFromChicago

      DaveFromChicago Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Yes, as long as you have in excess of $3,000.00 discretionary income (which will not be covered by any American Health Insurance Carrier) for a device that many have indicated can be constructed from various appliances on Amazon for $79.99.
       
    4. Bambam0
      Cool

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      Neuromod told me directly that TENT-A2 will be released "more likely December 2021 or January 2022." Whether you believe in this treatment or not, we should all want that trial reveal positive results so it gets approved by the FDA, clearing the way for the Auricle device shortly thereafter.
       
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    5. Bambam0
      Cool

      Bambam0 Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      Discretionary or not, I'll find whatever $ it takes to pay for results.

      And while something similar could be constructed for $79.99 on Amazon, I don't know how to do that. The economy is decentralized. I pay for others to deliver manufactured goods and services to me. I pay for their R&D, their supplies, their suppliers to make said supplies, for them to market it to me so I know it's even available. I know you're a skeptic @DaveFromChicago, and I am cautiously optimistic. And if they release it, and it doesn't work. The free market will win, and they will lose.

      But ultimately, I truly hope there is relief coming for all of us.
       
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    6. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

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      I am firmly in the expect the worst, hope for the best camp.
       
    7. beaker

      beaker Member

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      Hi all, new here. I just got a Lenire device second hand off of eBay to be sent to me in New Zealand. I know they are supposed to be 'tuned' per individual but the seller has what sounds like my exact symptoms so hopefully I get lucky. If not I will book an online appt. with them. I have reached a high level of desperation. My tinnitus for years has been in the background, now it is wildly in the foreground and I am stunned how loud it is. If I did not have a family to support I would go mad. I am booking in with an audiologist this week to see if they can do anything at all.

      One thing with the Lenire, do you know how long the tongue attachment lasts? The previous owner used it for 2 sessions. I am hoping it will get me through 12 weeks, but apparently they need replacing and are £250 GBP? If I can get even 10% relief it will be worth it.

      I am going to check this forum heavily to see if I can find anything to help.
       
    8. Gb3

      Gb3 Member

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      Prolly not a good idea to buy Lenire second hand. It has be tuned to your audio thresholds.
       
    9. Bobb77
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      Bobb77 Member Benefactor

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      I'm sorry to say it so honestly.

      I am a musician, I am familiar with audio editing and frequencies etc. and I returned the device after 6 weeks with no effect.

      Total nonsense if your audiologist tries to make you believe that the device is individually tailored to you. They are always the same noises. The only thing they do is: they set a certain volume, which you can then change later for yourself. So it's all nonsense. Sorry. I can only repeat myself, the whole thing is like an iPod with Bluetooth headphones and a tongue tool that sends a bit of EMS with confusing different sounds that are supposed to be scientific.

      The only ones who claim to have experienced improvement where the stressed ones, who were allowed to take half an hour off in the morning and in the evening and only allowed to listen to strange sounds; yes, that can also be relaxing.

      I have a self-help group in Munich, where four others have tested the device and returned it, and I have another 2 Facebook friends who are desperate because the device does nothing. Lenire seems like a scam. Try it out, and then hold on until we find something else.

      I am writing this because I had extensive discussions with the seller in Munich, he said it helps some and doesn't some. What kind of statement is that!?! If someone wants to sell you something that is profitable, they say it will make everyone profit! I think he felt guilty and that's why he said at least part of it was unsuccessful. He also posted a video of someone who made a trip from the US:

      #fighttinnitus #lenire


      Well, no one ever heard from him (Patrik) again. Do you understand what I am trying to say? If he advertised with him, then he would have a lot of potential clients from the USA every day.

      And I can only say repeatedly about the supposedly great studies:

      Almost all non-drug studies claim to have a positive effect, well into the 80%. It is then the predominantly psychological effect that you give the provider a good reference at the end of the study, because he tried to help you without it costing you anything.

      So in the end you feel sorry for the study provider because he wanted to help you.

      Well then, I'll tick a few points better for him. And I'm also in a tight spot. I'm the person with whom the thing should work, and then it doesn't help, but it should, well then I'm under pressure and claim that the thing helps.

      Well, I can only say again, Lenire is in my opinion absolute nonsense.

      P.S.

      I'm slowly feeling like the Robin Hood for poor tinnitus sufferers to save them from €2,750 EUR damage. If there was a device that helped us all, I would pay money so that everyone here can find out as quickly as possible.
       
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    10. Gb3

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      @Bobb77, if I recall correctly, you started playing your own audio? What week did you start that?
       
    11. beaker

      beaker Member

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      I got it really cheap, so it's not a big deal for me if it fails. The science behind bimodal nueromodulation seems sound, maybe better for other issues than tinnitus but it makes sense in some ways.

      I definitely do not buy into the tongue tip needing replacement to ensure it is clean and gives a good signal. I would imagine a short bath in an ultrasonic jewellery cleaner would have it completely as new.

      I'll scan more of these threads. I'm not overly looking forward to an hour a day of the device for many weeks but am willing to try.

      One interesting study would be 30 minutes of meditation 2x a day.
       
    12. beaker

      beaker Member

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      Just curious, I'm wondering how hackable these devices are. I am curious what is happening when these people keep going back to Neuromod and the staff are 'tweaking' it. Are they interfacing with the device through a port and using an application to adjust device settings? Or are the using buttons on the device as a way to input settings. Or maybe they have a proprietary app that communicates to the device via Bluetooth or such. I found it interesting that someone mentioned the tongue tip dies at 180 hours, hmm I wonder what the mechanism is here, and I also wonder what a possible method of factory resetting the device is. I am a bit geeky and a tech guy so could see trying to explore all aspects of the hardware and software.
       
    13. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

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      It is if it makes your tinnitus worse.
       
    14. EDDTEKK

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    15. DaveFromChicago

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      To EDDTEKK:

      Thanks ever so much for posting this.

      I suppose it took a certain amount of professional courage to flatly state that they did not recommend this (including that comment about its expensiveness).

      It was gratifying to see how they mentioned many of the questionable aspects that Posters on this Site had initially reported (and kudos to those Reporters).

      Good Lord, they sure picked apart Lenire point by point.

      Is this going to sink Lenire?

      I cannot believe that when our FDA reviews this study they will still give Lenire their approval.
       
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    16. Harder Calm
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      Thanks indeed for sharing! Well, let's hope the Auricle/Shore device will be a better approach to bimodal stimulation!
      Lenire approval might help Auricle approval and lead to some competition between the companies. On the other hand, Lenire's disapproval and Auricle's approval would show that the latter is superior and hopefully an effective treatment. Worst is if both fail - it might pretty much end the efforts for bimodal stimulation at all... But I have some hope for Auricle/Shore, it clearly seems to be the more serious candidate!
       
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    17. DaveFromChicago

      DaveFromChicago Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

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      To Harder Calm:

      One of the best capsule analyses I have read regarding the potential (or lack thereof) of bimodal stimulation.

      Our Chicago Tribune on 01/05/2018 had an extensive article about Dr.Shore and how her device would soon be available since substantial clinical trials were already undertaken.

      That was four years ago (!) and long before any excuses for delays were given because of the COVID-19 Shutdown.

      I so hope that I am wrong regarding my cynical reservations about all of these bimodal strategies.
       
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    18. Paul1980

      Paul1980 Member

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      I don't speak German very well but I can tell what the website tinnitusheilen is. And you know it too and to be honest, you should be ashamed.

      For those that don't know, this is a company trying to sell some kind of self-help tinnitus solution. I won't call that snake oil until I know more about it, but some of you will.

      But for a company to try to sell its product, while editorializing and giving us a "warning," at least of this condition, is pretty lame.

      So no thank you. I think you should know better.
       
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    19. Bobb77
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      So I am a native German speaker, and I also know the website tinnitusheilen.de and have rejected their book and cross-selling products for various reasons.

      Lenire's assessment is the best I've heard so far (you know, I've also tested Lenire and dismiss it as nothing but an MP3 player that makes a few pleasant noises and produces a few mini EMS currents for manufacturing cost estimated at $29.).

      I will copy the text, have it translated into English by Google and then optimize the machine translation difficulties. Give me a little time.
       
    20. Harder Calm
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      Well, I was more referring in general to knowing the warning of the German Tinnitus Association regarding Lenire that was quoted, not to that specific page. Obviously you are right that page is selling CBT/TRT/self-help book/background music etc. and thus for them other serious treatment tries not being successful is good news they can use to sell their stuff, unfortunately.

      The original warning/position regarding Lenire can be found here (but in the closed member zone, and certainly in German):

      https://www.tinnitus-liga.de/pages/presse/stellungnahmen-der-dtl.php
       
    21. Paul1980

      Paul1980 Member

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      I went to that page. There is nothing about Lenire on it. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

      Maybe you can do everyone a favor by not sending people to pages and post exactly what it says, or translate it for us, without the spin that the pages you have provided so far.
       
    22. GlennS

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    23. Damocles
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    24. Bobb77
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      Bobb77 Member Benefactor

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      You can only read the report after logging in. You have to be a member. I am of course, so it is here in German in order to minimize too many back-translation errors from the Google-translated English into your native language:
       
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    25. Tom Soria

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      Hey all, I'm really curious to know if Lenire might help with other tinnitus related problems like pulsatile tinnitus, TTTS, hyperacusis, diplacusis, etc?
       
    26. Bobb77
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      No.
       
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    27. MadsWithT
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      Lenire doesn’t work for anything, except if you want more tinnitus.
       
    28. BigNick

      BigNick Member

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      I had TTTS and it ceased after using Lenire.
       
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    29. DebInAustralia
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      Are you going to try Dr. Shore's device if it hits the market?
       
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    30. MadsWithT
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      I’ve come to terms with the tinnitus I now have so I’m going to wait and see. I don’t find any reason to be very optimistic regarding Dr. Shore’s device. I’m afraid it is just going to be yet another expensive habituation device without any real positive effect. I’d love to be wrong though, but I’m not holding my breath.
       
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