MuteButton

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    1. dan
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      Neuromod Devices Ltd secures CE Mark for mutebutton™ multisensory Tinnitus Treatment.

      The company anticipates the Irish launch of the mutebutton™ system in Dec 2014, ahead of a wider European launch commencing early 2015. For more product information please visit www.mutebutton.ie

      http://www.neuromoddevices.com/news/cemark
       
    2. Sjoerd

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      I asked that Jan 2014. Their answer:
       
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    3. preslys

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      In your opinion why they have not released the results of their clinical trial yet ?
       
    4. Sjoerd

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      I do not know. But if I have to speculate......they do not have any real results....!
       
    5. Robb
      Question it

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      This commercial video of this device makes me emotional and horrendously angry as well when it doesn't have any effect at all..

      But for now my sincere compliments
       
    6. dan
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      dan Member Hall of Fame

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      What exactly is this treatment ? listening to tones while sucking on an electrode and watching Dora the Explorer?
      Wait 50 new jobs!!! Ireland's unemployment rate will hit a 50 year low!
      Minister of jobs (I guess that's what they call Minister of Labour there) just got a big fat bonus.
       
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    7. preslys

      preslys Member

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    8. preslys

      preslys Member

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      they started selling their device.

      But I don't see any guarantee about effectiveness.

      https://www.mutebutton.ie/purchase/the-hermitage
       
    9. Sjoerd

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      I can understand they cannot guarantee anything. My biggest problem is the fact that they do not release any of their research data. Also, the do not propose a model on how this device should reverse the pathology of tinnitus.
       
    10. awbw8
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      @dan and all, I agree, this company seems questionable, and maybe their attempt at this doesn't work, I have no clue, but it's actually not a terrible idea they had and I imagine it's based off of neuroscientist Dr. Paul Bach-y-Rita's real technology and research that has worked at helping people regain function after suffering sensory brain trauma.

      He did incredible things with neuroplasticity, you can read more about him in "The Brain That Changes Itself,"
      a great, inspiring book about neuroplasticity success stories. Many years ago he was able to help a woman who had lost nearly all vestibular function to gentamicin (she couldn't stand, drive, felt like she was falling even when she was flat on the floor.) I'm not the person to explain it best, but I put a couple articles down there. I'll see if I can post the chapter in the book, too.

      Anyway, this is actually one of the less ridiculous ideas that's come up in my opinion. I don't know if it works, but at least it's based off of something that did, it could be a step in the right direction.

      Articles! :)

      NY times article on similar tech and the woman Paul Bach-y-Rita helped: (looks kinda like mutebutton right?): http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/23/science/23sens.html?ex=1102218829&ei=1&en=9d8f104c257ef425&_r=0

      Lots of Articles on Dr. Paul Bach-y-Rita: https://tcnl.bme.wisc.edu/taxonomy/term/13
       
    11. Greg Clarke

      Greg Clarke Member Benefactor

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      Dr. O Neill was on the radio yesterday talking about it. Said on average, it can reduce the volume of Tinnitus by around 40%.

      Remains to be seen really, wonder if they have had much take up on the device.
       
    12. preslys

      preslys Member

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      if it reduces tinnitus 40% it will be amazing and we can say that we are cured
      so 2500 euros are nothing.
      see links to understand how neuroplasticity works
      Paul Bach-y-Rita and Neuroplasticity

      thefiveminutesthatchangedmyworld.wmv

      Neuroplasticity: Rick Hanson Explains How to...
       
    13. preslys

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      I can not buy it now I wait until it will be approved by FDA
      I e-mailed mutebutton, my email was

      I am very interested in your prouduct but I don't see any guarantee about effectiveness
      can you show me any clinical results.?

      their answer is:

      Dear furguson
      Many thanks for your email.
      Following the initial launch of the mutebutton device in Ireland on Thursday 11th Dec we have been inundated with an abundance of emails and calls regarding purchase of the device. The mutebutton device will be available to purchase online in Ireland from Mon 15th Dec, in the UK from February 2015 and we anticipate rolling out to the rest of Europe over the forthcoming months. We have plans to seek FDA approval and hopefully launch in US in due course.
      Details regarding purchase and fitting of device is available via the website www.mutebutton.ie. If you are interested in a tinnitus consultation only, this appointment can also be booked online. Cost of the mutebutton is 2,500 euros and consultation only is 100 euros. In Ireland the cost of purchasing the device is unfortunately not covered as yet under the medical card scheme, and patients are advised to make contact with their own private health insurance company regarding private cover. As this is a medical device patients may be entitled for a 20% tax rebate claim.
      You will receive confirmation from The Neuromod Clinic in Dublin regarding your clinic appointment no later than close of business on the next available working day (Mon-Fri). Contact details for the clinic; contact@theneuromodclinic.com. We hope in due course to partner with clinicians in Ireland, however initially The Neuromod Clinic is the only clinic authorised to fit and configure the mutebutton device.
      We currently have no plans to run further clinical studies. Results from our previous clinical studies will be available soon via the mutebutton website.
      Kind
      Regards
      Mutebutton Customer Service Team


      Caroline Hamilton - Clinical Manager / Audiologist
      Neuromod Devices
      tel: 0877604415 / 01 7163640
      mail: caroline.hamilton@neuromoddevices.com
      web: www.neuromoddevices.com/ www.mutebutton.ie
      Afficher l'historique des mails
       
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    14. awbw8
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      Well, I'm sure we'll all be interested to see the study when it pops up on the website "soon."
       
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    15. Michal

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      2500 € that's just overpriced... I'm in Dublin, Ireland, I have not bad job but even that I cannot afford it. It's disgusting seeing when all off them corps just try to make many without any proofs that this actually work...
       
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    16. preslys

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      Ireland to get first crack at new treatment for tinnitus sufferers
      Do you think getting CE Marking approval is not enough to prove its effectiveness?
       
    17. Markku
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      CE Marking has nothing to do with effectiveness at all.
      http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/single-market-goods/cemarking/about-ce-marking/index_en.htm
       
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    18. preslys

      preslys Member

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    19. James White
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      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
    20. James White
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      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
      Just read the tonguetip has to be replaced every 90 hours (twice a year) ... that's weird. it costs 150€ ! :)
       
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    21. preslys

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      Yes I think this tecknology targets all diseases related to brain disorder. I hope that our irish freinds post their mutebutton experiences in few weeks.
       
    22. Silvine
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      The science behind it seems sound enough; Page 10 on this link is very interesting...

      http://spdfoundation.net/pdf/dodds_synthesis.pdf

      The latest research into the cause of T is that; Once a specific frequency isn't detected by the auditory cortex then the requisite neurons involved in detecting that specific start producing random noise and eventually form whats called enhanced neuronal synchronization.

      Here's a really good link explaining the phenomena...

      http://www.audiclave.com/DS overview/what_is_neural_synchronicity.htm

      There's been a lot of research recently on increasing the sensitivity of surrounding (unaffected) neurons in a patient and hoping they will extend dendritic connections into the affected area (plasticise) and interfere with the firing pattern of the affected area; basically desynchronise them, the results are mixed but hopeful.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3387303/

      Here's another link which explains why worrying about you T makes it worse.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9443467

      Basically you're increasing neuronal connection to your limbic system and once a path becomes established it becomes the beaten track and easier to travel down, here's another link for the scientists out there...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myelinogenesis.

      I'm wondering if the attentuation on the perception of T as an anxiety in this study is caused by increasing neuronal connection to the reward centre of the brain as the patients frequency discrimination improves and offsetting the converse anxiety model?

      You can't feel two opposite emotions at the same time. Habituation is the perfect balance of reward and distress which leaves you in emotional homeostasis. Neither concerned or rewarded by it. It just is.

      Maybe in the future a treatment for T will involve full cross sensory modality (Mutebutton being one) induced plasticity into the the affected area and pressure it into desynchronising from all sides? No neuron is an island.

      Next time I have a spike I'm going to eat a full bar of Greene and Blacks chocolate. My reward centre will have something to say to my amygdala about that!
       
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    23. Sjoerd

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      @Silvine , you need to see this video, this guy is right on the money.....
      https://archive.org/details/Redwood_Center_2011_09_21_Michael_Kilgard

      I strongly believe that our brain is nothing more than a giant prediction machine. It is constantly making predictions of what to expect. Our senses are mainly there as feedback to correct the prediction (and make some god damn sense of the world).

      At some point our brain is simply imprinting the memory of tinnitus (either by attention or fear). From that point on, well tinnitus is the prediction and it does not get corrected (because of hearing loss). Mute button is claiming (via another pathway into the brain), they can teach the brain the current prediction is wrong.

      I really do like their Idea, but I do not like the fact that they don't tell us how it is supposed to work. They sell it, but there is no proof at all.....nothing....zipp...nada....noppes....zero...etc etc.
       
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    24. Silvine
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    25. preslys

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      The medical device CE Mark is required for the approved sale of any medical device in Europe. It certifies the safety and efficacy of the mutebutton tinnitus treatment and the competency of Neuromod Devices in being able to bring an approved medical device to market to treat this chronic condition,2 he said

      http://www.businessworld.ie/livenews.htm?a=3237200;s=rollingnews.htm
       
    26. jazz
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      @Sjoerd Excellent observations! I too would love for this treatment to work. And, while it's useful to learn about brain plasticity and multi-modal stimulation, we need to see why this specific treatment will work. Where are the clinical trials? Why has nothing been published on this specific invention?

      This absence strongly suggests the device does not work as advertised.

      But I hope I'm wrong! :)

      @Silvine Thanks for the research! You did a great job pulling together why both the auditory and non-auditory areas of the brain are interconnected in tinnitus. And I do believe approaches like the Mute Button hold much promise. I just don't like devices that are marketed without being vetted first--and that only occurs in clinical trials.
       
    27. preslys

      preslys Member

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      Does anyone try mutebutton in this forum (irish people) ?
       
    28. James White
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      James White Member Benefactor

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      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
      they are too busy drinking pints of guinness !! ;)
       
    29. briano
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      briano Member

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      Anyone try this yet?
       
    30. Greg Clarke

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      There are a good few Irish people on the forum, myself included. Of the members here I can't imagine any of them being interested in it for reasons documented throughout the thread.

      Id imagine feedback on mutebutton will appear elsewhere on the web. And bear in mind it was only launched, could be several months into the new year before reports appear.
       
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