Ringing in Ears May Have Deeper Source

Hey Erik thanks for posting but I must disagree with Roland Schaette on this one.

People were being told in the late 1990's at least that they think Tinnitus is the result of the brain turning up the volume in response to hearing loss so this is just repeating old information really.

I found it rather strange also that the statement was made saying that severing the auditory nerve did nothing to help people's tinnitus. I saw on yuku recently a study which clearly shows otherwise at least for some patients. I will post it below,

Ear Nose Throat J. 1995 Jul;74(7):468, 470-6.
Cochlear nerve section for intractable tinnitus.

Pulec JL.
Source

Pulec Ear Clinic, Ear International, Los Angeles, CA 90017, USA.
Abstract

Tinnitus is a common and often very disturbing symptom. The majority of patients can now be successfully treated either by conservative medical treatment or by specific surgery. Intractable subjective tinnitus originating within the cochlea or cochlear nerve can frequently be successfully treated by cochlear nerve section. The cochlear nerve must be severed medial to the spiral ganglion to obtain optimum results. One hundred fifty-one cases are reported. Complete relief of tinnitus was achieved in 101 patients, worthwhile improvement was obtained in 43 patients and 7 patients obtained no improvement. The indications for this surgery will be given. Careful examination, accurate diagnosis, and proper selection of patients with intractable tinnitus for cochlear nerve section offer a good chance for success.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7671835


So clearly severing the nerve does work some people so this would contradict the idea of Tinnitus being purely in the brain. Did Mr Schaette not know about this? If that is the case then that is quite disturbing in my opinion for a Tinnitus researcher.

Regarding those with seemingly normal hearing but who suffer from Tinnitus, some research shown that significant degeneration of the cochlear nerve occurs after noise exposure, even when there is no hair cell loss, and even when thresholds have returned to normal. Click the link below for more information,

http://www.acoustics.org/press/159th/liberman.htm

 

Erik

This is exactly what happens to me - every week. OK.. slight difference in that mine actually completely disappears as well but I'm constantly searching for the trigger. There HAS to be one. I am having longer and longer periods with very little or no T and then just 1 or 1 and a half days of loud T. Today it's a 'tiniest tinkle but mostly not there at all' day.

If there is any connection at all with allergies/congestion/congested eustachian tube (even though I don't feel in the slightest bit congested!) for me I think I may have found a partial solution. I now have three of these water air cleansers on all day:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003V0G3Q6/?tag=tinntalk-21

And they really do work - the inside of this (pretty large) living room is like being out in fresh air.

I can't keep all three on all night because they're too noisy but I'm going to try for 2 tonight.

I really was pessimistic when I bought them - under £20 each - but they do work.

Whether they have any connection with my T getting less and less - I just don't know... but if they are helping and if mine is due to an allergy then yours may be too?

I think there are lots of different types of T and yours and mine are the same 'type'.

Jane

 

There may be a valid reason why the author of the "Cochlear Nerve Section" study, JL Pulec, is named in the book, "Controversies in Otolaryngology" no less than 8 times. ( Myles L. Pensak, 2001) ​

 

Hey Eric, yeah if we could get a response that would be really interesting so thank you for that.

Clearly I'm no expert but in my view I believe for the most part that my Tinnitus is ear based not brain. I got an infection in one ear and got tinnitus. The other ear was silent until the infection spread and then I had it in both ears ever since. My tinnitus volume is at the same frequency as my hearing loss but would bet good money if the nerve damage was repaired the noise would disappear. I think cochlear hair damage is not that important as there are people who are deaf or have hearing loss but no tinnitus. Yet there are people with normal hearing with Tinnitus so to me that implies that nerve damage is where the problem is. The research from acoustics.org could be used as evidence for this in my opinion.

Regarding triggers have you looked into EMF pollution at all? I haven't noticed anything with me but I have read some people's goes through the roof if they are in a Wi-fi zone or in a room full of electrical appliances. The ear is a very delicate and sensitive electro-chemical structure.

 

Could you expand upon that? What are details behind Pulec being named in that book?

Let's not forget that the idea of smoking or asbestos being bad for our health was once considered 'controversial'.

 

I'm sorry to hear that Erik, it's so frustrating isn't it when trying to find triggers. Since I drastically changed my diet my flare-ups have definitely reduced but I still get them and have no idea why. This condition is such a mystery.

 

Jane, does this work without the fragrance?

Prefer no fragrance - just in case there is chemical in it.

 

Eric, are LED bulbs better than those non-LED energy-saving bulbs?

Regarding router, what do you think about fibre-optics for internet?

How did you get your T, Eric?

 

I don't use the frgrances Ellen. I have 5 of the water fresheners now. They clean the air and also moisten it.
Some are noisier than others. I also now leave them on all night because I think the benefit is worth the noise.

 

Eric, for some reason, I find LED lights more jarring to the eye.
The regular power-saving bulbs are more soothing.
Could this be just my perception? Since having tinnitus, I've not only become slightly more hypersenstitive to sound, I think I am also more sensitive to lighting conditions.

I even have to sleep with lights on.

 

Thanks, click! Did you test for the noise level before buying the unit, or is it a case where after some time, noise develops from the unit? Prefer to avoid noise from machinery if possible.

 

I ordered them from amazon Ellen so no testing beforehand. They're cheap and cheerful units and some are noisier than others but it's not a bad noise... they have three settings and on the low setting it's just a background 'hum'. As I have rain noise on almost all the time anyway it doesn't worry me much. I'm trying to avoid silence because it's still a suspected cause for my T. The air is much much cleaner and fresher because of them. I believe there are really expensive ones which are probably far more sophisticated and possibly quieter.

 

Hi all ,I have met this guy a few times

How to Let Go of Tinnitus by Julian Cowan Hill

Hes a cranial osteopath and psychologist ,his hearing is so bad that he has to lip read but his bad tinnitus of 16 years was cured ,so why is the brain now not producing noise to combat his ear loss.????????????

 

Hello Erik ,well he said to me it has completely gone ,now considering the guy Is profoundly deaf not to hear it is well fantastic.Has he trained his mind not to hear it ,I have to say i do not believe he meant it that way.

Sounds like your doing ,great!! well as i type the TvIs on and also on is the Jet engine In my head.

 

I've checked this guy out before via his web site and other info on the web even though he 's way too far away for me to visit (across the Atlantic), and I was not too impressed with his theory then. However, after hearing him explain it as he does in this video, I must say that his explaination of tinnitus rings true to me. His explaination about the nervous system being in hyper mode to the point that your hearing you're brain working (that's kind of what he said), fits my experience and how I feel to a T (Alright, enough puns).

I do have a high frequency hearing loss in the range of the frequency of my tinnitus which would support that theory of tinnitus, but I often wonder if it is a true hearing loss or whether its the tinnitus masking the external sound so it appears like a hearing loss in a hearing test. To me the sound I hear - or to be more precise, the sound that my brain senses - has always sounded like I've imagined the flow of electricity to sound. Maybe I make that association because the squealing sound I hear is exactly like I remember a failing vacuum tube in an old TV sounding. Now I'm showing my age. Probably many on this forum are too young to know what a vacuum tube is.

If anyone knows of someone who practices Mr. Hill's brand of CST in mid-America, please post info.

 

I bouthg this book ages ago. Ive read most of it and it makes a lot of sense. Its explaining it in the same was as the Jastreboff Model really. Its about anxiety causing the hearing to become super-sensitive (as happens after hearing loss too). And about how to combat that anxiety.

 

Yes. Its saying though (as does Jastreboff) that the anxiety makes the hearing so sensitive that you hear the 'normal activity' the activity that was always there. He does make a lot of good points. I'll write some of what he says up on this post tomorrow.

 

Hi erik ,I have to say re your last post with the greatest respect Im not with you on that one.

After 26 years of it since I was 29 years old .I put It down to one thing and one thing only Volume .If your T is loud you will suffer ,If it isnt you wont.

I wont have the perception of loudness either. last 2 years after a bad ear infection my T has been loud,loud ,loud.

A lot louder than the previous 24 years where I had habituated.

I put habituation down to how loud it is,not perception of loudness but how loud.
All the best,Pete

 

I have the same feeling. But he is cured, which is great for him.

I've always assumed there is an audiological defect that is starting the problem. From there, it becomes neurological.

When some experts talk in psychological terms, about anxiety and "being too sensitive", it can get confusing for some of us. Fundamentally, tinnitus has got to be an audiological and neurological problem. Psycho-babble can generalize and group together a whole slew of mental conditions, swapping common terminologies that may not apply to tinnitus.

Tinnitus isn't depression or anxiety, it's more complicated. I find it hard to believe that tinnitus can be caused by such things a guilt trips.

 

There seem to be a number of different types of T but I think that anyone who has it had something that is 'wrong' or 'inefficient' to start off with - my reasoning is that so many people go to rock concerts and stand by the speakers and never get T... etc etc. so there must be something different about us.


One type of T is obviously the type caused by loud noise. Once you have T because of this, you get anxious and that causes numerous other 'issues' - ie. a self fulfilling cycle of T, anxiety, more T and so on..


Another type seems to be due to a strong link between depression and tinnitus because so many people who previously had depression go on to get tinnitus. I suppose it could even be the drugs that are prescribed for depression causing the T.


But then there is a third type of T that seems to come from nowhere. Happening to people like me who have never had anything even approaching depression and weren't exposed to loud noise.

With this type I believe that many had a 'pre-state' that can last for ages, even years, before the onset of their T.
Something has happened to the central nervous system and causes an anxiety to be felt where none is necessary. In some cases it's only slight and in others it stops them even being able to drive... or go into supermarkets.. crowds etc. Akin to panic attacks but not the same because there isn't necessarily an 'attack'. No depression - just anxiety for no real reason.

Following the anxiety tinnitus emerges if a trigger sets it off. Whether it's some drug, medicine, total quiet, real stress... etc. etc. But it's all linked to that malfunction of the central nervous system way before T onset. Obviously T then causes real anxiety just as in the other types.

I'm just hoping that the central nervous system can fix itself.