Some Reasons to Be Optimistic?

Discussion in 'Support' started by Molan, Jan 9, 2013.

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    1. Molan
      No Mood

      Molan Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      When you first get Tinnitus and you are told there is no cure it's only natural to become depressed about it. So I thought I would post some papers that show that perhaps it's not all doom and gloom.

      There have been a variety of studies using different techniques that have reported success in curing someone's Tinnitus. The downside is that time and time again these treatments seem to work great for a few, okay or others and the rest they do absolutely nothing. Why this is the case is unclear but what I wanted to highlight is that unlike a leg which has been amputated (and there are no cases of anyone's leg ever growing back) there are cases which people have reported their Tinnitus has gone!

      For example using a TENS machine cured a small number of people. In this study 6 patients reported a reduction of 100%

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20505927

      In this one 23% of the participants reported that they could no longer hear their Tinnitus afterwards,

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17956803


      This study shows that rTMS seems to have got rid of Tinnitus in 20 out of 62 patients

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20236173

      Another talks about Tinnitus being absent in some of the patients given rTMS

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19175380

      There have been some claims that LLLT has cured a small number of people.

      http://www.clinicasdeaudicion.com/ruidos_oido/Ear_Menieres_Tinnitus.pdf

      Recent research in the past year seemed to show support for the potential effectiveness for LLLT for help heal damaged hair cells,

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22734788

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22138884

      There was also a study showing that several cases of Pulsatile Tinnitus was cured through surgery,

      http://journals.lww.com/otology-neu...=2007&issue=01000&article=00009&type=abstract

      Now I would certainly not recommend this for anyone but this next study showed that out of 151 patients 101 reported complete relief of Tinnitus when they had their Cochlear nerve severed. Worthwhile improvement was noted in 43 patients and 7 patients obtained no improvement.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7671835


      Now I want to emphasis and make clear I'am in no way advocating any of these treatments for people to go and try for themselves. I wanted to highlight this condition has indeed been cured in some people in the past but for reasons unknown they never seem to work consistently for people. However we might finally understand why when we can see inside of the ear. For those that do not know EPFL and Harvard medical school have got together to develop new technology that will allow them to actually see what is going on inside our ears. It may be a possibility much sooner then people think.

      http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-10-epfl-harvard-loss.html

      Finally some news many people might not be aware of. There is there is evidence of stem cells being present in our ears!

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22102534

      If this is accurate there might be a way in the future to activate them and repair the damaged nerves and hair cells.


      I hope this post has been informative for some people. For me it gave me a sense of hope knowing that at least some people have reported getting rid of their tinnitus and were enjoying silence again. With more and more companies each year getting on board the Tinnitus bandwagon I'm optimistic that enough data will be found about this condition for people to eventually formulate a cure.
       
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    2. Louise

      Louise Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Yorkshire, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      29/06/2012
      Thanks Molan.

      Makes me think that the Tinnitool might not be a bad idea after all. But then LLLT seems to need to be started straight away after noise exposure.

      Is there anyone offering rTMS for tinnitus? Is it DeRidder in Belgium only? I see its offered in the UK for depression but not T.
       
    3. Molan
      No Mood

      Molan Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Louise I was unaware that LLLT needs to be started straight after noise exposure? From what I have read that isn't the case. At least in Dr Wildens clinic in Germany unless things have changed?

      I haven't really researched rTMS availability in the UK but perhaps there are places which could offer it for Tinnitus instead upon request? I'm not sure but as I stated I cannot advocate the potential effectiveness of these kind of therapies because they are really hit and miss for a lot of people. I would hate for you to get your hopes up.
       
    4. Markku
      Inspired

      Markku Director Staff Benefactor Hall of Fame Team Trobalt Team Tech Team Awareness Team Research

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Syringing
      He moved to New Zealand in December. That's what I was told when I asked about appointments and stuff last November.

      I don't know who replaced him at the clinic in Belgium...
       
    5. Louise

      Louise Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Yorkshire, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      29/06/2012
      I think I read that about LLLT, that it needs to be started quickly? Or maybe I just assumed because its talking about regeneration of the damaged cells. I cant remember, I've read that much stuff lately :(

      Sounds like no-one has replaced him yet in Belgium according to Daedalus' post :(
       
    6. Louise

      Louise Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Yorkshire, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      29/06/2012
      The Tinnitool is reduce to £229 on one website! Is it just a scam?
       
    7. Molan
      No Mood

      Molan Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Louise I cannot comment on the Tinnitiool as I have not seen any papers claiming it's effectiveness for Tinnitus. Not saying there isn't any but it's just I'am unaware of them at this time. The LLLT protocol from a Dr Wilden in Germany seems to have gained the most attention in this regard.

      If you haven't been to it I would recommend his website.

      http://www.dr-wilden.de/en/

      I feel it has alot interesting information. Due to the recent research of LLLT's apparent effectiveness in recovery of cochear hair cells in Rats this is something I'm personally becoming interested in more and more.
       
    8. Molan
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      Molan Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      I forgot to mention some other things in my original post, there is an actual patent for something called Rosmarinus offcinalis. This was said to alleviate Tinnitus in 95% of patients and poor hearing in 86.7%. This information can be found at the end of page 5 and the beginning of page 6 on this patent below,

      http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5989558.pdf

      Also 4 people reported that their Tinnitus had disapeared from the use of Ozone and pressure point therapy.

      http://www.tinnitusjournal.com/detalhe_artigo.asp?id=465
       
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    9. mock turtle

      mock turtle Member

      Location:
      puget sound
      Tinnitus Since:
      07/26/1992...habituated after 2 years; 11/04/11 new outbreak
      molan
      thanks for all the great links

      louise put up a link that had a lot of potential t treatment meds that got nih review

      im still plowing thru that

      and now all your links...wow you guys have ben busy

      thanks

      mt
       
    10. Molan
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      Molan Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      No probs Mock Turtle! Happy to be of assistance!

      Calin is the one who found out about the Rosmarinus offcinalis and the Ozone papers so she deserves the thanks for those. I found the rest I posted from my own research and what I found on other forums as well.

      However yet again I forgot to mention another paper in my original post and this one was found by Fish who posted this last year (Thanks Fish!). It involves using electrical stimulation to the ear and something called Cervical spine kinesitherapy. The results are very interesting,

      RESULTS:

      Before the treatment, group I comprised 51 ears (87.93%) with permanent, and 7 ears (12.07%) with temporary tinnitus; group II - 55 ears (90.17%) with permanent and 6 ears (9.83%) with temporary tinnitus. After the treatment, in both groups the number of ears with permanent tinnitus decreased considerably obtaining the pauses or disappearing of tinnitus. Directly after the treatment, group I comprised 25 ears (43.11%) with permanent, and 10 ears (17.24%) with temporary tinnitus, in 23 ears (39.65%) tinnitus disappeared; group II - 33 ears (54.1%) with permanent and 11 ears (18.03%) with temporary tinnitus, in 17 ears (27.87%) tinnitus disappeared. Regarding questionnaires, improvement was observed in group I - in 43.11% of ears, in group II - 32.8%. In both groups audiometric improvement of hearing was recognized.


      See link below for full details


      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22682958
       
    11. click
      Busy

      click Member Benefactor

      Location:
      West Cornwall, England, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/04/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Not sure
      Thanks Molan. I had read ages ago about the benefits of Rosemary and had completely forgotten about it. Apparently there are no known side effects.

      I have ordered a tincture from here:

      http://www.fushi.co.uk/rosemary-tincture-100ml-1071.html

      This may be the first supplement that I actually try!

      Has anyone else here tried it for T?
       
    12. Molan
      No Mood

      Molan Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Good luck with that Click hope it can do something for you!

      It's actually part of one of my supplements that I have been taking although it is mixed with other things like Dandelion root, thyme leaf etc. This may impact it's effectiveness along with the amount a person might me taking. I imagine the rosemary is in quite small amounts in the capsule I take. The supplement in question however is to aid digestion not to treat Tinnitus but I haven't noticed any difference to the volume.
       
    13. Tommyr

      Tommyr Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2002
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      i was wondering if anyone has tried tinnitool, and if yes with what success? I have found only one review that sounds somewhat legit and the device is very very very expensive... maybe any alternatives to suggest? I stumbled on this study
      and lllt seems promising
       
    14. mintblue
      Supportive

      mintblue Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2012
      Ordered some high quality Rosemary Essential Oil, let's try this.
       

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