UltraQuiet Therapy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-139867/A-sound-hope-tinnitus-victims.html

 

This is amazing news! So simple: Ultra quiet. We've been told the exact opposite, to avoid silence.

Is this "The Cure" we've been looking for? Amazing. Makes sense.

 

Whoops, I misunderstood this! I was reading only the headline, "Ultraquiet" - thinking that's all this treatment was: Quiet.

"Ultraquiet" is the name of a device that uses very high frequencies. Still very interesting with impressive results.

What is this magazine? "The National Enquier Science Edition"? (While I was reading about "Ultraquiet", I saw a lot of interesting gossip posted on the side about Lindsey Lohan and Wayne Gretskys daughter.)

It is very interesting reading about a new theory: When the auditory system loses its ability to hear high frequency, those auditory circuits begin "listening" to lower frequencies. I found this interesting because my right ear - the one where my tinnitus started, picks up low frequencies which I don't hear in my left ear. Once I start hearing low frequencies in my right, somehow it causes my left to hear high pitched buzzing.

 

Hi guys

I've been meaning to try and use some sort of masking to get my life back on track. My tinnitus is fairly recent... I can pin it down to 4 months since I first noticed it... although it may have been before that. I had got a viral infection then I think that's where all of it started... in May I developed something like a nuritis or labyrinthis... No docs have been able to say what... Since I should not have tinnitus with nuritis although a few docs have said that tinnitus is possible with nuritis... I am still reeling... hence I am just trying anything to get my life back to some normalcy.

I have multiple tones in both ears (or so I can make out both low moderate and high pitch)... initially my audiograms detected some hearing loss (this is when tinnitus was terrible around May)... but the most recent audiogram suggests that my hearing has returned to normal (with all frequencies upt o 8K showing 20 dB min response...even 10 and 5 dB in some lower ones)... although I still get some ear fullness and pain (mostly bearable)....but am concerned that the tinnitus is not dropping any further.

I have been considering ACR or Ultraquiet therapy... from the posts on ACRN I can understand that it's not been very successful. I would like to know has any one experienced any benefit with ultraquiet although they claim 96% benefit!

Also just off topic here at the time of developing tinnitus did any of you notice a small teee...tinnitus sound about 3 secs with sort of hearing change like your ear's closed and then opened again (I don't mean like what you get with collapsed eustachian tubes. This has happened during the course of sickness several times in both ears... any one has any input on this too...?

Markku... would appreciate your input... I have found this resource quite informative...

Thanks... much appreciate your help.

 

A nice sunday with 2 new cures,but i think the demon is still in my head.

 

Any recent news about this? It sounds good, I'm interested in trying Dichonics or something like this till there is a better treatment in the future...

 

This is interesting. Pinging @Steve H. We could probably try this with a DIY / hacker approach by getting suitable audio stimuli in the 10-20KHz range (Steve?) and playing that through a "piezoelectric bone conduction transducer" the study mentions. Instructables has for example a DIY instructions to make one of those: http://www.instructables.com/id/Bone-Conducting-Earphones Bone conducting headphones are also sold commercially and I have already asked for advice from one person I know who knows about them.

 

This is the bone conducting headphone model my friend suggested: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aftershokz-Bluez-Conduction-Headphones-AS500/dp/B00JO9Y176/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401443553&sr=8-1&keywords=bluez 2

 

I'm all for it! As I understand from the paper, this is another form of lasting RI that works through neuronal plasticity. They say it clearly in the discussion paragraph, that it may over time lead to a "new" neuronal network. Any treatment that can sustain cortical inhibition for long times would have the potential of letting the neuronal pathways "regrow" correctly, then.

When it says that a patterned sound is used and that music (not continuos tones) works better, I thought of the system used by SoundCure, the S-tones, as the rhythm of the stimulus seems important for neuronal syncrony. Would it be a good approach to experiment with something like that but with bone conduction?

Also I searched for the UltraQuiet company, and in Daily Strenght I saw someone mentioning they are broke and out of business, what could make difficult to replicate their treatment...

Anybody knows if this is true? And if people here were to try to DIY this, would it be a good idea to do some kind of crowfunding? Are professional tools or software needed? I'd be willing to donate and/or offer myself for testing, as the paper stated no one got worse so it seems safe.

 

The Tinnitus Network could facilitate this kind of community effort DIY projects with or without crowdfunding. 'Pro-amateur' non-clinical trials if you will. How about this idea @Markku, @Steve H?

 

Any new answer? As I read is still possible (or was at some point) to get a CD from them, but I wonder if it's possible to replicate the treatment with what we already know, in case there are no CD's left? What would it take?

 

@Markku Thank you gathering all that information on Ultra Quiet!

@Steve H Thank you for emailing the doctor. If the device is no longer being produced, perhaps the doctor will share the sounds with us free of charge!

 

Wow. I live about 6 blocks from the VCU campus in Richmond, VA. I had no idea this work was going on so close to me.

 

So is there a web site where you can purchase the device and associated audio?

 

@Steve H Then would you say is still worthy to try to DIY this treatment? I'm quite interested in trying cheap stuff first. If you or other tech-wise people here is not interested, what would you think I'd need to know to do this? Would it be enough with some audio editting basic skills or is this a task for more experienced people?

 

@Steve H Great! I think it could be important to check the need for customized stimulus in the case of those with very high frequency tones, as the paper seems to state this as important:

Muhlnickel et al. [23] explored the reorganization of the auditory cortex in tinnitus, using magnetoencephalography. These authors found a marked shift of the cortical representation of the tinnitus frequency into an area adjacent to the expected tonotopic location. They also found a strong positive correlation between the strength of the tinnitus and the amount of cortical reorganization. They pointed out the similarities between tinnitus and phantom limb pain: Both cases exhibit a loss of input from peripheral nerves accompanied by a similar reorganization of the cortex. Muhlnickel et al. [23] suggested a possible therapeutic approach in which patients attend to and discriminate some features of acoustic stimuli that are close to the tinnitus frequency, to drive cortical reorganization of the nontinnitus frequencies into the tinnitus representation, thereby reducing it. Note that this is considerably different from conventional masking, wherein the acoustic stimuli encompass the tinnitus frequency; it is also different from the TRT paradigm, in which the point is to learn not to attend to the sounds. It does, however, resemble the UltraQuiet system, which uses patterned stimuli well removed from the tinnitus frequency.


Also, do you think the rythm of the pattern will need to be a very precise secuence, or probably it will suffice being dynamic and randomised, kind of ACRN like?

 

When you say pure tones, it means you tried several frequencies with 90bpm? How many hours of RI did you achieved?

 

The aftershokz reviews are pretty much what I would have expected...they work, but you don't get excellent full spectrum audio performance. Fortunately for our application, this is not a deal breaker IMO. Frankly, given the commercial availability of these units at such reasonable price points, I wonder why UltraQuiet would even attempt to bring to market a Gen2 model unless they: (1) feel the currently available units are not effective and/or (2) they believe they have to package their treatment with their own unit in order to drive the revenue they need to recover their R&D costs and create an on-going business.

 

To chime in with my 2 cents i believe that most apple and android devices will play uncompressed .aiff files (i'm almost certain an iPhone does). So with the right headphones and the proper audio file it sounds doable to recreate this treatment DIY style. I would recommend using the highest possible quality... at least 24bit / 96khz, if not 192khz. Its my understanding that the higher kHz the higher the capacity for higher frequencies.