Dichonics

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by joe, Apr 6, 2012.

    1. Karl

      Karl Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Chicago
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      10/2011
      Karen -
      I am also very concerned. I wanted to get the Internet version of Dichonic's headphones. Just waiting to hear the price.

      I've been communicating with the ATA. They really respect what Dr. Dalton is doing, and want to do an interview with him. I was elated to hear this, since I think he has this thing figured out. I mean, 75% cancellation is phenomenal.
       
    2. erik
      Cool

      erik Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Washington State, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/15/2012 or earlier?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      Sounds like it may be the end of dichonics. I emailed Dr Dalton regarding the status of dichonics.
       
    3. Karen
      Talkative

      Karen Manager Staff Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame

      Location:
      U.S.
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      First time: Noise 2nd Time: Ototoxic drug
      Yes, Karl, I hope Dr. Dalton continues with his work; I was really looking forward to the release of the internet version of their program.

      Erik --- Thanks for contacting Dr. Dalton. We'll be interested to hear what he says.
       
    4. erik
      Cool

      erik Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Washington State, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/15/2012 or earlier?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      Just got word from Dr Dalton:

      We are progressing! We now have a diagnostic and therapy program on the android tablet that allows for remote testing and therapy. We are going to release that to a few subject around the country as a Beta version for initial trials. Since I have no research budget, there will be some charges involved. Let me know if you are interested.

      Dr. D

      I have followed up inquiring about cost.
       
    5. Karen
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      Karen Manager Staff Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame

      Location:
      U.S.
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      First time: Noise 2nd Time: Ototoxic drug
      Thanks, Erik! I'll be interested to know how expensive this is going to be. Will await further word from you on this.
       
    6. gary
      Transparent

      gary Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Macomb, MI. USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Who Knows
      Great job guy's...
       
    7. erik
      Cool

      erik Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Washington State, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/15/2012 or earlier?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      I have pm'ed you guys on this
       
    8. exodus
      Cold

      exodus Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2008
      hi
      keep me posted also thanks
       
    9. Peg

      Peg Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      7 months ago
      Hi Erik. Please let me know what you find out. I have not been in touch with them. But have reasearched Dr. Dalton. Sounds like a promising treatment.
       
    10. Jon Wayne

      Jon Wayne Member

      Location:
      europe
      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      I found it funny the scientific mambo jumbo and the bs testimonials on Dichonics website..
      Anyone who gives credit to this crap is either working for them or simply naive..
       
    11. dianerose

      dianerose Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2006
      Erik, can you tell us what happened with this, Im interested in trying this out.
      Thanks,
      Diane
       
    12. erik
      Cool

      erik Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Washington State, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/15/2012 or earlier?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      Diane, Dr Dalton is still working on this (internet treatment) and the original release date was suppossed this fall but there has been delays. Soon as it is ready, it will be posted here.
       
    13. dianerose

      dianerose Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2006
      Thanks Eric!!!! Thats awesome
       
    14. Petloy
      Happy

      Petloy Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2012
      Yes I too am interested. Keep us updated Erik! Thanks.
       
    15. Chicken

      Chicken Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      October 2011
      Erik,

      do you know if Dr. Dalton is going to be branching out of Texas or do we have to fly out there to be treated - sounds pretty unreasonable if you live on the east coast. And the price, I think we're talking about $20K. To do all that and then it might not even be successful--pretty scary
       
    16. erik
      Cool

      erik Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Washington State, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/15/2012 or earlier?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      Hi Chicken, I don't have specifics on pricing only that you would have to purchase the specialized headphones to use with the online program. Since it will be online, I don't believe there will be a need to go to Texas. I have contact him again to see if I can get more details on timeline and pricing.
       
    17. Viktor Salvatore
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      Viktor Salvatore Member

      Location:
      Las Vegas, Nevada
      Tinnitus Since:
      7-5-11
      Carl. I appreciate reading your posts as you may have first seen my post on the gentleman's query into when a cure might be a reality. I seen an article on this Dr. Dalton from a University where he has a tinnitus cancellation that takes place while wearing earphones...i am under the assumption his technology has made it further along in the form of this Dichonics? Please keep your updates coming on this hopeful avenue. Viktor
       
    18. jazz
      No Mood

      jazz Member Benefactor

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      8/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      eardrum rupture from virus; barotrauma from ETD
      Hi Karl,

      Dr. Dalton's work has always fascinated me. But his inability to distribute his invention--there's the rub! Do you know why Dalton's business partners chose the Internet to distribute the technology? Most—if not all—of the Internet-based sound therapies suffer from an inability of the tinnitus sufferer to match his or her pitch. Even if aided by audiologists, matching can be elusive. I also wonder why I can’t find Dalton’s study on pubmed. (I did find it on the Internet at http://dichonics.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/tinnitusstudyresearchpaperPDF.363123837.pdf) It looks like Dr. Dalton did not publish his findings in a peer-reviewed journal. Such publication is a necessary—though not a sufficient—action for scientific action.

      That said, I believe his earphones are efficacious for many tinnitus suffers. If distributed correctly, garnering venture capitalists interest like SoundCure did, there might be hundreds and eventually tens of thousands of people who’d purchase his device. I don’t think such numbers are possible in an Internet-based therapy.

      I do hope your feeling better. Everyone has the flu these days.
       
    19. Markku
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      Markku Founder Staff Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Syringing
      It blows my mind that if Dichonic's success rate is as good as it is claimed, there is really little information about it.

      A google search for Dichonics comes pretty much empty...

      Karl: did your tinnitus suppress completely for 5 minutes? You couldn't hear it at all? That's nice, to say the least. Although if an hour of treatment is required for 5 minutes' worth of suppression, it's so-so in the long run, in my opinion.

      But if the time of suppression tends to increase as treatment is continued (like the woman with 13 hours of suppression), then that is another matter completely.

      Do you know was the 13 hours' suppression achieved with an hour of treatment?

      I quickly looked through the PDF jazz posted, and I couldn't seem to spot any data regarding how long the suppression for each one of these test subjects lasted.

      But a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial would be welcome news, wouldn't it? And as jazz said, a publication in a peer-reviewed journal is essential...


      I've got the urge to know how Dichonics works with a larger test population, and how it compares to placebo treatment, and whether after all said and done it would be seen fit to be included in peer-reviewed journals.

      Thing is... with the data in the PDF (which almost makes the whole treatment sound too good, if you think what is available right now), how on earth isn't ATA or some other 3rd party giving Dichonics the funds it needs to do larger studies and in the end if all goes as expected, make the treatment available to the public? If ATA won't take on the task, then some angel investor could. I guess the problem is that such investors probably aren't willing to lay down much money unless there is already larger studies done on the efficacy. And without money this doctor isn't able to carry on with the idea? It looks like a classic chicken-and-egg problem.

      It's a most horrendous thought to even think about a possibility that decades from now it was discovered Dichonics worked for a significant percentage of tinnitus sufferers, but due to funding issues it was back then (read: now) unsuccessful to launch.

      Fingers crossed!
       
    20. Karl

      Karl Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Chicago
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2011
      Markku -
      Yeah, it blows my mind too. This was an adventure for me in October. After the trip, I had a "private conversation" with a few people on this website, telling them about my trip. I wanted to keep it hush-hush, so that I could stay first in line to get the product. Unfortunately, I don't know what's going on any longer.

      Dr. Dalton is a unusual man. He is has been around a long time. He's a legitemate academic, with many papers published in professional journals. Of course he has a patent on his system, which he quit protective about, and he does not want to leak certain key details.

      In the 1970's, he was doing experiments on the neurological signals in the audiological system of monkeys. He connected electrodes to various key organs, such as the dorsal and ventral coclear nucleus and the superior olivary complex. Then he monitored how sounds were processed by the monkey's brain. Particularly important is the how the signals from the left and right ears differ in intensity and phase shift.

      By the way, Dr. Dalton has had tinnitus since he was a teenager. During the monkey experiment, he kept hearing a "click" when he listened to the signal processed in the monkey's brain. He asked the other researchers if they heard a "click", but no, they didn't. Based on this accidental observation, he discovered that tinnitus sufferers experience a unique phase shift between the two ears. He then developed a testing method called "Minimal Audiotory Intensity Difference" (MAID), that can be used to test abnormalities in hearing. MAID can also be used to test dislexia and autism.

      Dr. Dalton is accomplished at building electronics circuits. He's a ham radio operator. In my opinion, he's a modern age Thomas Edison with an adept abiltiy to understand the auditory system like it's a radio with components. He explained that tinnitus causes efferent nerve excitation, from neural "components" that compare left and right ear signals . The key to stopping tinnitus is to suppress/inhibit the excited efferent nerve.

      He explained a lot to me, and I could barely grasp it. I tried it out, and it seems to work. But it's only temporary, and something that must be used on a regular basis. They were doing a lot of monitoring on me during that hour, which is something that I did not quite understand.

      Delivering it over the Internet is an ideal way to use this thing. I'm not entirely sure how the business will be run, and if there will be somebody on the other end adjusting the signal. Every person has a signal tailored to their tinnitus. This isn't a signal that somebody came up with in whilly-nilly fashion.

      I asked the ATA's Tinnitus Today to interview him. They may be doing a story. I practically begged the ATA Technical Committee to take a serious look at his work. No reply from them. Thank you, ATA.

      My gut feeling: Dichonics isn't a cure, but I think it may help a lot of people. I didn't use it long enough to form much more of an opinion.
       
    21. James White
      Anime

      James White Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Toulouse, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
      Hi everyone,

      Have you noticed that on the dichonics website, there's a message about a web based evaluation and an android application to be revealed on May, 15th 2013. Well, we are the 21st and nothing popped up yet.

      Are any of you guys in contact with them ?
       
    22. J. Wing

      J. Wing Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/1999
      Is there any new information out there about Dichonics? Thought they were supposed to have a grand opening on May 15 and have it on on a website. Any news?? Thanks!
       
    23. James White
      Anime

      James White Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Toulouse, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
      I guess they may be very busy or not ready yet. I emailed Leslie Dalton last week without success yet.
       
    24. J. Wing

      J. Wing Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/1999
      ??
       
    25. James White
      Anime

      James White Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Toulouse, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
      Well, he didn't reply yet. Maybe someone in the US could call them on the phone.
       
    26. James White
      Anime

      James White Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Toulouse, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
      Here's the reply from Dr Dalton i got this morning :

       
    27. James White
      Anime

      James White Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Toulouse, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Maybe loud music. Not sure.
      Dichonics updated their homepage : http://www.dichonics.com with specifications about software and hardware.

      They also have another website for which i don't really understand the point : http://www.tinnitusclinicsofamerica.com

      It's good to see they don't sell the tablet neither the headphones. It's up to you to get whatever Android tablet you want. They specify the type of headphones and they are just $50 Sony intra auricular headphones.

      I appreciate the fact they don't sell another stupid mp3 player for $2000 like neuromonics or other bs chinese toys.

      Still, no price for the software yet but i guess it shouldn't be too expensive !
       
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    28. Sven
      No Mood

      Sven Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Sweden
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/1999
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      It makes you wonder - if it DOES work - if it would work to wear them at night while you sleep?
       
    29. exodus
      Cold

      exodus Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2008
      hi

      i ve got an email yesterday from dr dalton , it seems he ll be starting web based treatments this week

      if anyone is interested
       
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    30. jazz
      No Mood

      jazz Member Benefactor

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      8/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      eardrum rupture from virus; barotrauma from ETD
      Thanks exodus! :)

      I believe interest still exists in this technology. Implementation difficulties may've caused some interest to wane, but I'm certain it will resume.
       

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