Glenn Schweitzer's Tinnitus Coaching: Thoughts, Experiences, Reviews?

Discussion in 'Support' started by Hotspur2931, Aug 5, 2020.

    1. Hotspur2931

      Hotspur2931 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Cold/flu
      I'm not asking for thoughts on mindfulness, meditation, or his story. I believe those things are legit (although they may not work for everyone).

      I'm asking if anyone has experience with the "tinnitus coaching" that he offers, or any thoughts on whether he is a good guy, genuinely trying to help, or if it's a rip off? Any experiences with his coaching would also be really interesting.

      I contacted him about coaching, because I find his story interesting and I'd like to learn more.

      But it turns out he charges $150 an hour. Which makes Julian Cowan Hill look like a steal.

      I find it really hard to trust someone who would charge you through the nose like that. He says it's because his coaching is "customised" and thorough, and tailored to your particular situation and your particular tinnitus. Which honestly sounds worth it if it's true, but I've been stung before...
       
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    2. ajc

      ajc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
      Couple of reasons why I think Glenn Schweitzer is a person who exploits tinnitus sufferers:
      • When he started his coaching, he tried to be featured on as many online publications as possible, including the American Tinnitus Association. He now uses those feature placements on his coaching website as proof of credibility and authority.
      • $150 / hour is offensively high, not even all psychologists charge that much, and Glenn has no education whatsoever.
      • He uses tactics like the one below on his coaching sign up page, creating this false sense of urgency that you have to sign up for his coaching now or you're going to miss out. You know what? He's had three spots available for several years now. The number of spots never changes. So it's a fake attempt to create a sense of urgency.
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      • I've seen him and his shills market his coaching on Facebook groups, creatively...
      • I've never seen anyone post here or elsewhere good experiences about him. If he really could help tinnitus sufferers, shouldn't there be more positive remarks about him?
      • I think @Jazzer might punch him in the nose. I will reconsider my thoughts on Glenn if Jazzer thinks Glenn might be ok. Because Jazzer smells a BSer from a mile away.
       
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      Hotspur2931

      Hotspur2931 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Cold/flu
      Thanks @ajc.

      My gut is telling me the same as what you're saying, but I was wary of passing up on a good thing out of sheer grumpiness!

      I like his YouTube channel overall (some of it is a bit abrasive), and as I said I'm more than happy to give mindfulness and meditation a go (I do think it's the next step in my tinnitus journey, after a year and a half of running around madly trying to avoid my tinnitus!). But I'm really irritated by the way he markets himself at every opportunity. And the lack of transparency.

      His first email to me was kind and encouraging, but he also asked me to fill in an application form for his coaching (even though I'd already sent him all the info the first time) and didn't mention anything about pricing at all. He did start telling me about how tailored and customised his coaching was, so I already smelled a rat. When I asked him about pricing he then tried to pitch it to me as a bargain. Tried to push the $500 for 4 hours "deal". "It's a one hour session plus 6 half hour sessions so it's really 7 sessions over 2 months!" I'm sorry but a half hour session of anything is always crap.

      I would love some tailored coaching, but tbh any decent therapist should be offering you a tailored experience anyway, right?!

      The three spots remaining thing is OUTRAGEOUS. Thank you for telling me about that! And in fact the whole thing of "applying" for coaching... wtf is that?!

      Man, why are all these people so exploitative? It's so outrageous. EVEN IF they are the real deal, why charge so much when you're allegedly trying to help people who are suffering like you did?!

      I'm also a bit suspicious of his methods. There's a lot in there about writing down and recording your tinnitus all the time, to figure out what triggers it. Everyone habituation story I've ever read involves people NOT monitoring their tinnitus obsessively. I would want to REALLY trust someone before I started doing something that went so strongly against my current understanding of how to get better.

      I just wanted to talk to him for a bit and ask some questions about his book and his method, but I am not paying $150 for it. Already went through that crap with Julian Cowan Hill. £70 (IIRC) to have him basically tell me I was "just having a spike" (I'd be spiralling into depression steadily for months) and then reenact some of his YouTube videos for me.

      Anyway, thanks for the input and sorry for the rant. These people make me even more grateful for this forum, where people share their experience and support and encouragement for free.

      Edit: I'd be interested to hear from @Jazzer as well!
       
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    4. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      Hahahaaaaa........made me laugh ajc !!

      Sorry to say I know nothing of this Glenn Schweitzer of whom you speak.
      He obviously lacks the genius of ‘Albert’ who absolutely knew that the greatest comforts in life are Music and Pussycats.

      From what I have picked up from these posts, I would say that your reservations regarding his business methods are very well founded.

      As said above - ‘only three spots left’ is the age old urgency package ploy.
      I do not like this approach at all.

      With this wretched predicament in which we all find ourselves, with absolutely no treatment options, much less a cure, it is not surprising that we look to therapists in the hope of finding better coping methods.
      I did buy Julian Cowan Hill’s book - something like “Tinnitus - from Enemy to Friend?”
      It did nothing for me.
      He suggested a multi-step achievement chart, by which the sufferer can asses his present progress.
      I do believe that some conceptual ideas may be able to encourage us, but I found this far to complex a principle - psychobabble purporting to be science. Just my view.

      My only aid is the daily practice of meditation.

      Silence is denied us.
      I always seek stillness in my psyche.
      A noisy head maybe,
      but stillness in my mind.

      In meditation I usually get there.
      (But not every time.)
      This comforting feeling may last for many hours.

      I repeat the mantra - “Deeper into Stillness.’
      Then just wait for it to happen.

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      Very best wishes folks
      Dave xx
      Jazzer
       
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    5. bobvann
      Cheeky

      bobvann Member

      Location:
      Inside the vortex
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud shit
      The problem is right there. Keeping records / charts is keeping your mind on tinnitus which in turn keeps your focus on it, based on another theory I read somewhere. But overall if one has a hard time habituating they are doomed...
       
    6. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      I know what you mean bob
      - but personally I am not ready to accept
      doomed.......x
       
    7. bobvann
      Cheeky

      bobvann Member

      Location:
      Inside the vortex
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud shit
      Like myself, we manage with it without wanting to off ourselves. I am reading some crazy shit. Some people say they would trade it with Parkinson's or ALS. I work in healthcare and have seen folks deteriorate from those conditions. I will keep my tinnitus thank you very much!
       
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    8. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      I can only use a concept if it proves itself to me.
      I can not believe in the possibility of silence.
      I have had over six years of experiencing extreme noise.
      Anybody offering me silence, is a charlatan.

      The only pertinent question for me is,
      ‘Can I achieve stillness - a peaceful mind?’
      After my meditation sessions I am still aware of my tinnitus - but I do feel different.
      I feel that I am coping better.
      To some extent I may even forget about it for quite a long time.
      Perhaps I exchange active sufferance for a more passive sufferance?
      Whatever happens - I am thankful that it does.
      Sometimes I am aware that I need a top up, and have another 20 mins meditation in the afternoon.

      I wish I had more to offer folks.
      In my opinion we are all heroes.
      Thanks for being there,

      Dave xx
      Jazzer
       
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    9. ajc

      ajc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
      Bob, did you know that @Jazzer was diagnosed with Parkinson's recently. I hope it's the slowly progressing variant. My heart goes out to Jazzer. He's the real deal, unlike Glenn.
       
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    10. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      Bless your heart ajc xx
       
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    11. lightning
      Crappy

      lightning Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Severe tinnitus since Dec 30 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise exposure
      I read his book and it had some useful insights, but really could have been summed up in a few pages. The book is basically just an advertisement for his services and digital products. Based on that, I'd be very skeptical about paying this dude for counseling.
       
    12. bobvann
      Cheeky

      bobvann Member

      Location:
      Inside the vortex
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud shit
      No I did not, sorry @Jazzer, on top of this shit, good luck!

      I agree we always have had fun on this forum!
       
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    13. bobvann
      Cheeky

      bobvann Member

      Location:
      Inside the vortex
      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud shit
      Snake oilists :D:D:p

      I tried it all too.

      TRT twice, epic fail.

      CBT Oil.

      Recently anti-depressants. All I was getting is migraines and felt really sore kidneys during the night. Fucking big pharma poison!

      Its good meditating helps you does not much for me.

      After watching someone deteriorate from ALS who was talking with eyes melting in his head, I told my wife if I am ever diagnosed with ALS, I'm done!
       
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    14. T Toledo OH

      T Toledo OH Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2/26/20
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Likely loud noise and earbuds
      I did the Skype sessions with Glenn Schweitzer when I first got tinnitus and I was in panic mode.

      He genuinely wants to help but at the end of the day his approach is all about meditation and coping mechanisms which gave me some hope.

      My tinnitus is all over the map and constantly changing. I usually have several days a month where it disappears and then comes back, sometimes worse.

      The meditations really were not beneficial for me but he had me believing they were. I think I was just too early in the process to stabilize. I started doing better once I started using Widex chimes and now doing TRT, but recent tooth extraction and sinus issues have me back to square one. I want to get back to meditating but I struggle with laying down and focusing on my tinnitus, I want to forget about it or distract from it, not meet it head on.
       
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