Putting Dr. Rauschecker on Joe Rogan

Discussion in 'Awareness & Fundraising' started by TimmyC, Jan 26, 2019.

    1. TimmyC
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      Hello everyone,

      As I listened to the Tinnitus Talk Podcast tonight, which was amazing by the way, it dawned on me what would be a huge help to Dr. Rauschecker's campaign. What if he was able to be in Joe Rogan's podcast. It is arguably one of the most listened to podcasts out there, and beyond the fundraiser, it would bring a HUGE amount of awareness to tinnitus.

      Joe loves to speak with neurologists and is very interested in scientific research that revolves around cognitive disorders (which Rauschecker is an expert on).

      So, I am proposing we try to get Dr. Rauschecker on Joe's podcast. On his podcast website, you can send a contact message to book a guest. If anyone knows of a better way to try and contact Joe, I would be all ears, but I think if we can contact Dr. Rauschecker and Rogan, then maybe it's possible we can make it happen.

      Does anyone have any thoughts on this idea? I would love to start a discussion on how to make this happen, as I believe his podcast would raise an immense amount of attention.
       
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    2. Jack Straw
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      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

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      I do agree that it would benefit the cause but Joe Rogan is very particular about his guests. I don’t think talking about tinnitus for 4 hours would be very interesting to the average person. Also Joe Rogan probably doesn’t find that illness interesting enough to bring an expert.

      Don’t get me wrong, I would like nothing more than for him to be on there, but I feel that it wouldn’t happen.
       
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    3. razo

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      What about finding another show/media channel?

      I don´t know this particular show, but I ask myself what could be more interesting than hearing about a disorder that 5-10% of the worlds population is affected by - in various degrees of seriousness. Talking for four hours will perhaps be too much. Or perhaps not - we should explore all possibilities and keep the right mindset that we need - we need to be "information-entrepreneurs" going forward.

      I think Rauschecker will have easier access to shows and media attention once his group have more evidence from their primate research, but this should be is no excuse for us to pause our efforts in raising awareness. We could accelerate this process by raising awareness and funding.

      I really think just the story of tinnitus is has a big power in itself: wrt how many are affected worldwide, wrt how it is a hidden disorder, wrt that no-one has a cure, by just explaining it in the right way and to the right people. This story is very powerful with the potential to move people when told in the right way.
       
    4. Ed209

      Ed209 Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame

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      I love the Joe Rogan podcast, personally, as I like MMA and the banter is good. However, I don’t think Prof Rauschecker is a good fit as he would be delivering a very scientific message. What if they start ripping on him in a humorous way? I know Joe wouldn’t say anything derogatory, but most of his guests know the score, and they know what the language and vibe is gonna be like.

      Personally, I think Prof Rauschecker would rather appear on a serious, scientific podcast, where they are prepared to talk in detail with a more formal tone.

      Maybe I’m wrong though.
       
    5. Julien87
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      Let's make Tinnitus Talk Podcast more popular than Joe Rogan's :)

      Didn't know you were a fan of MMA too Ed! :)
       
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    6. Ed209

      Ed209 Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame

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      Yea, I’ve always been a fan of boxing and martial arts. I’ve followed MMA from right back in the early days before it became popular (UFC).
       
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    7. AUTHOR
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      TimmyC
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      His audience is more MMA and hunting focused, but he does have a lot of neuroscientists and other clinicians on often. I think Rauschecker's primate studies would still fascinate Joe.

      I’ll still send a message to his manager, but even if not for Joe's podcast, any major podcast would benefit our cause.

      Look how much the TED Talk helped. A large platform like that could be good :)
       
    8. Julien87
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      I'm a big fan of martial arts. I did kyokushin for several years (the main discipline of GSP) and I really love this. Tried bjj also but I prefer stand up fighting.
      When it comes to MMA I really admire Fedor, Cro Cop and Machida.
       
    9. Ed209

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      That’s awesome, Julien. When I was a kid I wanted to do martial arts more than anything else but it never materialised for me. When UFC first started in the early 90’s, nobody really knew what would happen and/or what styles would emerge as being legit and useable. It turns out that they are primarily: BJJ, wrestling, kickboxing/Muay Thai, some Karate styles, and little else. I think the Gracies knew exactly what they were doing when they organised those early UFC tournaments.

      There’s a lot of talent about nowadays and there are some great legends from the past. Jon Jones could have been one of the greatest, but all these drug scandals have tarnished his legacy in my opinion. GSP was a beast, and so was Matt Hughes. There are and have been so many great fighters over the years.

      Fedor and Cro Cop are awesome. I’m looking forward to seeing Khabib fight again, but would rather see him fight Tony Ferguson.
       
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    10. Ed209

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      Wasn’t it Tony Ferguson who effectively used a Wing Chun move in a fight?
       
    11. Julien87
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      No idea! I only saw a few of his fights.
      And yeah Jon Jones was very close to the legend status. Quite arrogant though, I generally prefer more humble fighters ^^
       
    12. Ed209

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      Pretty sure it was him and I’m sure it’s the first time anyone’s done it in an MMA fight.
       
    13. Ed209

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    14. Ed209

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      Same.
       
    15. Julien87
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      This is why I never rooted for guys like Anderson Silva :D or worse: the Diaz brothers. Really can't stand those.
       
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    16. Watasha
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      I believe Dana White has suffered from Meniere's and tinnitus so there is at least a somewhat personal connection there that could provide some relevance. Perhaps they could be ones to consider if not the podcast but for some other advocacy efforts.
       
    17. vttbx

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      It's a great idea. Better if Dr. Rauschecker discusses hearing loss in general and T as a side effect. It may open up the possibilities. I didn't even know the podcast existed. Thanks.
       
    18. JohnAdams
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      Dr. Rauschecker is an intelligent man, but I think his approach to this issue is totally misguided. Go ahead, rip me to shreds over my opinion. At least I have the honesty to actually disagree with someone with a higher pedigree than I do. I do not think he is right about the limbic system being the gate of the tinnitus signal from entering the consciousness. If those of us with a conscious perception of tinnitus have a broken gating system them how come we can still filter out other sensations like our socks touching every part of our foot, or the hairs on our head moving around etc? Why would a broken gating mechanism only let a tinnitus signal through?
      It seems like everyone else just worships him like a demigod because "he's a neuroscientist" and "he did a Ted Talk". He hasn't cured tinnitus yet so at this point he's in the same category as all of us, which is a person that hasn't cured tinnitus. Talk is talk, even Ted Talk.
       
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    19. TuxedoCat
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      Putting Dr. Rauschecker on Joe Rogan is more of a fantasy than an elevation to demigod status.
       
    20. Otana
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      How about the Science Friday podcast? It plays to a national audience (NPR in the US) who's used to donating and they already had Dr. Shore on last year. It's also a good listen if you haven't heard it.
       
    21. AUTHOR
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      TimmyC
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      Never heard of it. I'll check it out!
       
    22. TuxedoCat
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      Great idea. Sort of a counter point to Susan Shore. I heard her on Science Friday. She was asked if she thought tinnitus can be cured. She completely side stepped the issue by replying that it can be prevented.

      Also Science Friday might be a good place for a discussion about hair cell regeneration.
       
    23. Otana
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      Jeff Karp has been on there to discuss this as well. Science Friday host Ira Flatow has tinnitus and hearing loss so these topics are especially interesting to him.
       
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    24. Watasha
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      @JohnAdams Does this get into Jastreboff's neurophysiological model theory a little bit? We can be conscientiously aware of our socks or hair on our ahead any time that we choose regardless of the "gate" being broken or not. The difference would be that hearing a sound that we deem to be "not usual or threatening" gets assigned a negative value and bothers us making it more difficult to fade back into the background. For those who have habituated, indeed they can allow the sound to fade into the background the same as their socks or hairs on their head.

      I fail to see given the above how that contradicts the theory that something in the brain allows the the tinnitus signal into conscience perception?

      Also, we are missing one crucial piece that maybe you have some insight on. Hearing loss tends to precede or occur concurrently with tinnitus, but not everyone with hearing loss reports tinnitus, but almost everyone with tinnitus has some degree of hearing loss. This is a disconnect that I'd be interested to get your take on, but it seems to imply something is missing in the understanding of the pathology of tinnitus. Given these questions, I think there can be disagreement on the gating mechanism, but not necessarily for the above reasons but perhaps something else.

      Could you fill in the gaps or am I not understanding?
       
    25. JohnAdams
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      When I'm focused on something like exercising, working, writing, etc. my tinnitus sound isn't front and center in my consciousness unless I specifically look for it. It's the times when I'm in silence or idle that it's right there blaring, mocking me. And of course I assign a negative emotion to it because I know that it's from damage I've done to myself and that it is more susceptible to more damage if I'm not careful. Like when these dumbass protestors were walking down the sidewalk yesterday shouting in a bullhorn and it pointed right at me and spiked my tinnitus bad. It's a reminder that I'm handicapped by sound.

      My question becomes then the nature, and speed at which our hearing loss occurred. Those with presbycusis may have had time for their brain to adjust to the loss of hearing, or different parts of their auditory system may be affected that tends to not lend to a tinnitus signal being generated.

      Then there's those like me that experienced a sudden acoustic trauma that lasted a moment, a day or a few days. Those seem to be the cases that lend themselves to developing the tinnitus signal. I'd like to know if there are any soldiers that have had a bomb go off right next to them, or experienced a prolonged firefight without hearing protection that did NOT get tinnitus.
       
    26. Watasha
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      @JohnAdams Apologies, I don't know how to do multiple quotes yet. Any advice?

      "When I'm focused on something like exercising, working, writing, etc. my tinnitus sound isn't front and center in my consciousness unless I specifically look for it. It's the times when I'm in silence or idle that it's right there blaring, mocking me. And of course I assign a negative emotion to it because I know that it's from damage I've done to myself and that it is more susceptible to more damage if I'm not careful. Like when these dumbass protestors were walking down the sidewalk yesterday shouting in a bullhorn and it pointed right at me and spiked my tinnitus bad. It's a reminder that I'm handicapped by sound."

      Does this contradict the theory of a gating mechanism though? I'm sorry that happened it's really frustrating. They had a 5k/8k here and at the finish line are doing the same thing right in your ear as your crossing the line, having to be on constant guard is draining.

      "Those with presbycusis may have had time for their brain to adjust to the loss of hearing, or different parts of their auditory system may be affected that tends to not lend to a tinnitus signal being generated."

      Would the fact that the majority of those with tinnitus were seniors not contradict this, regarding having time for brain to adjust, (though the younger population is growing)?

      "I'd like to know if there are any soldiers that have had a bomb go off right next to them, or experienced a prolonged firefight without hearing protection that did NOT get tinnitus."

      I would very much like to know the answer to this myself. I thought I saw someone post a study once about those in the military who experienced an incident and the recovery rates but I am not sure how quality the study was.

      Either way if intensity is a factor or the brain hasn't had time to compensate, would this not lend itself to the idea that there is a higher order processing in the brain that may not be functioning optimally? These questions may be good for Dr. Rauschecker as well.

      Also I'm new to posting so if this is off topic for the thread someone let me know the best way to go about responding. Thanks
       
    27. soundsofsilence

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      Oh yeah, didn't Joe Rogan also interview a couple of rock stars?

      Because...

      You should forward this to some really rich rock stars who are known to donate (or do beneficial concerts) for such things.

      I am pretty sure a good deal of them have enough personal experience with the affliction to be really interested in putting their money there ;)
       

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