Round and Oval Window Reinforcement for the Treatment of Hyperacusis

Discussion in 'Support' started by tomm, Dec 12, 2014.

    1. addot

      addot Member

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure
      I do wonder whether this works for folks who have hyperacusis as a result of noise exposure (which is my case). The surgery focuses on the middle ear, but Dr. Silverstein describes it as a "permanent earplug", so it might work.

      About two years ago I got in touch with a couple of patients who did the procedure. One of them improved, the other did not, though it had been less than a month since her surgery. I think I'll try to contact Dr. Silverstein's clinic and see if they can tell me more about the prospects of this procedure for folks with noise-induced hyperacusis.
       
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    2. grate_biff
      In pain

      grate_biff Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Moss, Norway
      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma using headphones
      Please do. Would be interesting to hear what they say!
       
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    3. MattR

      MattR Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2014: Mild Hyperacusis 2019: More severe
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud headphones, more recently Acoustic Shock
      For some yes it has. You can watch videos from patients on Silvertein's website, and also on the Facebook group pertaining to the surgery. Some people had noise trauma (gunshots, a nail hit with a hammer very close to the ear, etc.). The only story I haven't seen a success case for yet is hyperacusis induced by medication. Doesn't mean there isn't one, but that's one I haven't seen, and have seen failed surgeries for.
       
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    4. addot

      addot Member

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure
      Would you have the link for the Facebook group? I'm in 'Hyperacusis Support & Research', but this sounds like a different one.
       
    5. MattR

      MattR Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2014: Mild Hyperacusis 2019: More severe
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud headphones, more recently Acoustic Shock
      It's a private group so it looks like I can't link directly to it. You can search hyperacusis surgery success and it will come up though.
       
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    6. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      SE Asia
      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Any luck with chatting to the clinic?
       
    7. Frédéric

      Frédéric Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Advocate

      Location:
      Marseille, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      11/19/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma
      From the same team (Dr. SiIverstein)

      Minimally invasive surgery for the treatment of hyperacusis: New technique and long term results

      Abstract
      Objective
      A minimally invasive surgery developed by the senior author has previously been reported to significantly improve sound tolerance after surgery. This report compares the new versus original surgical technique used and long-term results of all patients who have undergone minimally invasive surgery for hyperacusis.

      Study design
      A prospective, IRB approved clinical research trial at a single institution with surgery performed by the author (HS).

      Setting
      All patients were evaluated and treated at a tertiary level otologic referral center.

      Subjects and methods
      47 subjects were enrolled from 2014 through 2019, 40 met inclusion criteria including adequate follow-up in the analysis. All subjects underwent oval and round window reinforcement. 20 subjects underwent surgery before 2017 with the original technique of round window reinforcement. 20 subjects underwent new technique with additional oval window and stapes reinforcement.

      Results
      80% of subjects who underwent the new surgical technique had improvement in hyperacusis symptoms after surgery compared to 60% of subjects who underwent the original technique. Long term follow-up showed sustained results with both techniques with a mean follow-up of 2 years after surgery.

      Conclusions
      The most recent, newer technique employed appears to have an 80% success rate in improving sound tolerance with small changes to hearing. The improvement in hyperacusis symptoms after surgery is significant and now found to be sustainable with a mean follow-up of 2 years after initial surgery. Psychological measures of anxiety and depression also were found to be significantly improved after surgery in the newer technique group.

      Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0196070919309408
       
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    8. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      SE Asia
      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Thanks for the post, I’ve been raving about this surgery and the pioneering doctor behind it for some time. “Small changes in hearing” is an issue, but dwarfed by the newfound freedom and life of patients who have had a successful treatment. Great news for chronic hyperacusis sufferers...
       
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    9. GoatSheep

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      I wonder what those changes are?
       
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    10. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
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      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Hearing loss, put simply... it tends to be minor.

      Post note... what I read most of the hearing loss was “minor” and patients' lives were transformed from being housebound to being able to go freely outside without fear of noise. I have contemplated this surgery.... I need to send them my audiogram. I am not housebound, just handicapped...
       
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    11. GoatSheep

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      Hearing loss in what frequency range?
       
    12. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      I don’t know... I will have to read through documents again... didn’t sound serious, or they downplayed it... hmmmmm.
       
    13. GoatSheep

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      The paper from 2016 said patients experienced no change in hearing. So I’m curious why an improved technique would cause changes to hearing.

      “Postoperatively, the patients reported no change in hearing and improved quality of life after the procedure.”

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5100801/
       
    14. Juan

      Juan Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Several causes
      Hearing loss is harder to measure than people think, and can be very bothersome, depending on what you do for a living, and your lifestyle.
       
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    15. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
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      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      The new procedure involved reinforcing the stapes, they found this really helped because they were to mobile.

      My impression was the hearing loss was not a huge issue... how this relates to tinnitus... I don’t know. But for hyperacusis it’s a godsend and life changer. I need to write them again and ask some of these questions...
       
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    16. GoatSheep

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      Please do. I wonder how low your LDL’s have to be for the procedure. If you have tinnitus and this reduces hearing like you said, what does that mean for your tinnitus?
       
    17. GoatSheep

      GoatSheep Guest

      So is this for all forms of hyperacusis, even pain?
       
    18. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
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      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      The procedure is for chronic hyperacusis, by that, I mean debilitating... as in house bound.
      Having said that I will write back, I am waiting for my audiogram to send them.

      My hyperacusis is up and down. I avoid noise, so I avoid pain. At one point I was really gunning for the surgery, now I am kind of in limbo and financially can’t consider it.

      I did read that they can reverse the surgery, or remove the packing and it’s a fast operation and not considered highly invasive.

      That being said, all surgeries are scary... it’s the nature of the beast.

      I’ll keep you posted on what info I get. Have a look at Dr. Silverstein's testimonials and clinical trial data... you might find something I missed.
       
    19. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Follow up question...
      Is your hypercusis or tinnitus driving you nuts, or both?

      The operation you mentioned before was for middle ear stuff, correct?

      What’s up GoatSheep?
      What’s giving you the most grief now pertaining to your ears?
       
    20. GoatSheep

      GoatSheep Guest

      Inner ear osteoma. Both are giving me grief really.
       
    21. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Sorry, I recall you spoke with a doctor at Silverstein clinic.

      Write them a letter, explaining everything and your ideas about what to do and request that Dr. Silverstein looks your case history over. I bet he will.

      What does your local doctor think, who you like and trust?
       
    22. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Inner ear osteoma, I know little about. But if surgery can help... then maybe go for it, talk to your doctor again. Hyperacusis is a different beast, I have it and know a little more about.

      Surgery would depend on severity in my mind, but I need to talk to doctors about that. Just a hunch, hyperacusis can come and go... if it’s debilitating and you are housebound, cars, noises are killing you... then surgery... I have no doubt.
      That’s how I am gonna play it, now it limits me to where I can go, but I wouldn’t describe it as chronic.
      If it was chronic, I’d be setting up an appoint in Florida right now.

      At present it is annoying and restrictive, but manageable... does that make sense?

      You need to consult with the professionals... follow your instinct... and keep communicating with your doctors.

      Why was your doctor not ”keen” on the osteoma surgery?
       
    23. GoatSheep

      GoatSheep Guest

      Originally he said he was afraid of damaging my hearing.
       
    24. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      SE Asia
      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Well, that’s a big deal... I guess he assumes you are ok without the surgery?
      Or that you can heal up somehow over time?
       
    25. GoatSheep

      GoatSheep Guest

      Eh I had the surgery today.

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    26. GoatSheep

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      Bottom pic shows osteoma. The white circle. Top pic shows it removed.

      Currently I still have tinnitus. Can’t tell if it’s any better cause heads wrapped so it’s not like normal. Could be lesser. Hell could be worse for all I know. Doc said give it up to three months to improve which is what @GregCA said before too.
       
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    27. Daniel Lion
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      Daniel Lion Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      SE Asia
      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise trauma, hearing loss
      Congratulations my brave friend.

      Good call.

      Don't listen or worry about your tinnitus now, just heal up.
      Surgery is a bid deal, so chill... give it three months.
      You are going to be better for it Champ... awesome.
      Now take it slow... think good... no stress.
      Take good care and stay in touch.

      Sincerely,
      Daniel

      PS. It's going to be better... I just read up on osteoma... good call. Your tinnitus will get better.
      Stay well bud.
       
    28. Juan

      Juan Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Several causes
      Keep us updated! I hope everything goes fine with post-surgery!
       
    29. GoatSheep

      GoatSheep Guest

      Ok I will. Thanks to you and Daniel.
       
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    30. lapidus

      lapidus Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Sweden
      Tinnitus Since:
      1999
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
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