Shooting Range and Tinnitus

Discussion in 'Support' started by Johno, Jul 7, 2014.

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    1. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma
      What do you mean, can i shoot in open shooting range with doubled hearing protection (muffs+plugs)? It is safe for my acustic trauma damaged ears, or i should avoid this hobby forever? Is here someone who likes shooting and guns?

      PS: in my country is not alloved sound suppresor owning.
       
    2. Jay M
      Thinking

      Jay M Member

      Location:
      South Carolina, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      4/4/14
      Archery
       
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    3. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma
      Yes, this is probably best alternative :)
       
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    4. Sean

      Sean Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      01-01-2011
      Johno- from my experience you have to stay completely away from loud music ..your will T will keep increasing in volume if you keep getting exposed to loud noise ..even one time exposure can be too much !
       
    5. Grace
      No Mood

      Grace Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/14/2013
      You should be okay with plugs and earmuffs.. But dont take my word for it. Ive been offered to go shooting like three times this year and i said no although i LOVE shooting ranges. I think ill do archery this fall instead. Alot quieter and its funn. Some douche lit fire works next door to my house on the 4th of july and i wasnt wearing plugs at the time cause there was nothing loud around and it went off and scared the hell outta me..and that sounded like a freakin m80 ugh.
       
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    6. jimH
      No Mood

      jimH Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      30 years+
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      I've been shooting handguns for years at outdoor ranges just wearing the regular hearing protection. I have never noticed any change in my hearing or T after going to the range and doing a lot of shooting. I think that you should be fine wearing both muffs & plugs as you mentioned.
       
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    7. Enrique
      Dreaming

      Enrique Member

      Location:
      San Diego, California
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/20/2014
      As everyone has said just double up and stay outdoors. I went shooting indoors with ear plugs only a little over a month ago and now have hearing loss, tinnitus and hyperacusis from 20 mins of shooting. Be careful and stay safe.
       
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    8. Jay M
      Thinking

      Jay M Member

      Location:
      South Carolina, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      4/4/14
      I remember when you came on. How are you doing? I've had T, 13 weeks too long. o_O
       
    9. Ken219
      No Mood

      Ken219 Member

      Location:
      New York Area
      Tinnitus Since:
      Summer of 1990
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure?
      @jimH 30+ years have you ever had a relapse?
       
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    10. Enrique
      Dreaming

      Enrique Member

      Location:
      San Diego, California
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/20/2014
      @Jay M I'm ok. Just taking this day by day. Sometimes I feel fine and others not so great. Just hoping to habituate. I think the ear fullness/ hearing loss is what is worse although T and H suck also. How about you?
       
    11. Jay M
      Thinking

      Jay M Member

      Location:
      South Carolina, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      4/4/14
      Still hoping. Some days I'm good or okay and other days I'm not.
       
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    12. pef

      pef Member

      Location:
      Georgia, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      3/16/2013
      I have tinnitus from a .357 magnum gunshot without hearing protection (negligent discharge). MASSIVE acoustic trauma.

      Before then I wore earplugs and shot a lot, and never had hearing problems. Since then I have work ear plugs and ear muffs, probably shot about 5,000 rounds of various calibers (including full house .44 Magnums), and my tinnitus had not increased at all. For me, earplugs and muffs provide ample protection.
       
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    13. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma
      SHOTGUN NOISE DATA (DECIBEL AVERAGES)

      .410 Bore
      28" barrel 150dB
      26" barrel 150.25dB
      18 " barrel 156.30dB

      20 Gauge

      28" barrel 152.50dB
      22" barrel 154.75dB

      12 Gauge

      28" barrel 151.50dB
      26" barrel 156.10dB
      18 " barrel 161.50dB

      CENTERFIRE RIFLE DATA

      .223, 55GR. Commercial load 18 " barrel 155.5dB
      .243 in 22" barrel 155.9dB
      .30-30 in 20" barrel 156.0dB
      7mm Magnum in 20" barrel 157.5dB
      .308 in 24" barrel 156.2dB
      .30-06 in 24" barrel 158.5dB
      .30-06 in 18 " barrel 163.2dB
      .375 18" barrel with muzzle brake 170 dB

      CENTERFIRE PISTOL DATA

      .25 ACP 155.0 dB
      .32 LONG 152.4 dB
      .32 ACP 153.5 dB
      .380 157.7 dB
      9mm 159.8 dB
      .38 S&W 153.5 dB
      .38 Spl 156.3 dB
      .357 Magnum 164.3 dB
      .41 Magnum 163.2 dB
      .44 Spl 155.9 dB
      .45 ACP 157.0 dB
      .45 COLT 154.7 dB

      -----------------------------------------------------------------------
      .22 LR 132 dB (no data, but probably long barreled 20"+ )


      Loudness depends on the length of the barrel of course.

      Source: http://keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2052#_ftn2
       
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    14. jimH
      No Mood

      jimH Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      30 years+
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      My T was only low or moderate in volume most of those years. I was able to handle it without an medication. However, in February of this year it changed and since then is loud most of the time with an occasional day of it being moderate. Sometimes only one side is loud and the other is moderate.

      Due to a loss of sleep, appetite and weight loss, my doctor recommended an antidepressant. It has helped and I am able to sleep and eat normally again because it eliminated most of the anxiety I was experiencing.
       
    15. Relic Hunter
      Cynical

      Relic Hunter Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/1990
      Johno,
      I regularly shoot. Mostly .22 these days but just use standard earplugs with about 30db reduction. Ear muffs and plugs with large bore rifles. No change in T as a result.
       
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    16. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma
      Imagine: 22Lr rifle with 30dB suppresor, with 30dB earplugs and 30dB earmuffs -

      132dB - 30 -30 -30 = 42dB shooting noise, like little bit louder whispering of niece woman :)
       
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    17. Sean

      Sean Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      01-01-2011
      30 DB ear muffs plus 30
      DB ear plugs doesn't equal to 60
      DB protection .Max protection you can get is 33 DB .
      Even with 33 DB ..here is how math works from what I have read 33-7/2..so noise is reduced only by 13 DB .its not straight 33 DB reduction .
      Again some one with more knowledge on how sound mechanics might be able to explain it better .
       
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    18. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma

      I know, that every 3dB doubles acoustic pressure, but are you sure, that 30dB muffs on 30dB plugs reduce loudness by only -3dB ?
       
    19. Grace
      No Mood

      Grace Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/14/2013
      he explains it pretty good.
       
    20. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma
      But 50% of 32 dB noise is 29 dB, not 16dB
       
    21. Grace
      No Mood

      Grace Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/14/2013
      Yup, your getting almost everything they tell you on the package.
       
    22. Ken219
      No Mood

      Ken219 Member

      Location:
      New York Area
      Tinnitus Since:
      Summer of 1990
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure?
      Once you introduce OSHA the recommendations become invalid, void, not worthy of quote.
       
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    23. Ken219
      No Mood

      Ken219 Member

      Location:
      New York Area
      Tinnitus Since:
      Summer of 1990
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure?
      @jimH You're only approx 5 months on this relapse. You will habituate in time.
       
    24. Rhea
      Volatile

      Rhea Member

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      2004
      30db plugs plus 30db muffs WILL NOT EQUAL 60d protection......PLEASE ALL BE AWARE OF THAT!!!

      Also high frequency noise is easier to block out than the low freq noise which I am assuming is what you will get from shooting - low freq'.

      In my opinion completely not worth it...surely you can find some other fun stuff to do that doesn't involve potentially f*!cking you ears up even further.

      Archery sounds perfect like another member said.

      Rhea x
       
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    25. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma

      Hi, i try find something about this on internet. Shooting with handguns produce more dangerous high freq. noises, than low freq. Low freq is more produced by shooting by howitzers, cannons and other big barrels. But archery is probably best opinion, i know. Maybe long barreled 22lr is not as dangerous with doubled hearing protection.
       
    26. Johno
      Dreaming

      Johno Member

      Location:
      Slovakia
      Tinnitus Since:
      6/07/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acoustic trauma
      How Much Extra Hearing Protection Do You Get?

      The degree of extra protection can vary widely, but typically the combined noise reduction rating (NRR) will be about 4 to 8 decibels (dB) higher than the higher of the two individual NRRs. For example, if the ear plugs have an NRR of 25, and the ear muffs have an NRR of 21, the combined NRR might be between 29 and 33 dB. As a rule of thumb, an improvement of 5 dB is often assumed, for a combined NRR of 30 in this example.
      This 4 to 8 dB of additional protection translates into a 60% to 85% reduction in sound intensity, a marked reduction in the risk of hearing damage.

      source: http://www.noisehelp.com/double-hearing-protection.html

      Now i need find some mathematical formula :)
       
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    27. Ricky81
      Worried

      Ricky81 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      July 14, 2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Assault/Contusion/Ear Infection
      I'm going to the shooting range tomorrow. I have 30db ear muffs but gonna double up with plugs after reading this thread.
      Thanks all.
       
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    28. pef

      pef Member

      Location:
      Georgia, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      3/16/2013
      It's really quite safe on your ears *IF* you wear protection. My hearing was nigh perfect before the .357 gunshot, and that was after many, many years and many 10's of thousands of rounds of shooting. But...it only takes being stupid once to damage your ears with a gunshot, which I learned the hard way.
       
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    29. Ilija
      Breezy

      Ilija Member

      Location:
      Jagodina, Serbia
      Tinnitus Since:
      8/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud gig/year of loud headphone usage.
      1.) Archery like the dude suggested
      2.) You can always shoot silenced weapons if you really want to shoot shit
      3.) If you ever get the idea of exposing yourself to sounds as violent as gunshot sounds just think of your Tinnitus, think of it going up two three times and consider is it worth the risk.
       
    30. Ray Seddon
      Amused

      Ray Seddon Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Western Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      1985
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unprotected hearing damage - highpowered firearm, open-cab tractors...
      I acquired T from an unprotected .243 which in the list is around 155db... stupid stupid stupid me. IMHO It's a no-brainer: Use ANY sort of ear proection unless you want 29yrs of T, on-going like me.
       
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