South Korean Clinic Treatment (Dr. Minbo Shim)

I just wanted to add information. I think his clinic is run by him and his assistants.

 

Completely agree. When I ran my company, we had the absolute best service and product in the industry but worked with older equipment. It's all about the people

 

Never thought it was the whole building. However, it did look like it was in a certain corner.

I saw one of his assistants on his Facebook, though would rather not say what her name is for privacy respects. Not sure how many assistants he has.

Glad he is updating the site. The more transparency, the better.

 

Where exactly did you read that?

 

cmclinics.com

 

From the 4rth post on the website :
After one treatment, there is a threshold change for each frequency.

Right:

500 hertz : 15–> 05 ( Decreased by 10 decibels )

1000hertz: 20–> 05 ( Decreased by 15 decibels )

2000hertz: 45–> 45 (Same)

3000hertz: 65–> 60( Decreased by 5 decibels )

4000hertz: 70–>60 ( Decreased by 10decibels )

6000hertz: 55–>55 (Same)

8000hertz: 55–>60 ( Increased by 5 decibels )



Left:

500hertz35->15 (Decreased by 20decibels )

1000hertz20->05 (Decreased by 15decibels )

2000hertz35->25 (Decreased by 10decibels )

3000hertz50->45 (Decreased by 5decibels )

4000hertz65->55 (Decreased by 10decibels )

6000hertz65->65 (Same)

8000hertz45->60 (Increased by 15decibels )

As seen in the above results, the threshold is decreasing at almost all frequencies on both sides (A difference of more than 10 decibels is considered significant).

This is the result after only one treatment.

The interesting thing is,the hearing threshold of 8000 hertz on the left side increased slightly, but the tinnitus on the left was still decreased.

 

Clear! It is no general statement that hearing in high frequence can get worse. It is just a sampe of work-in-progress. We already saw more samples that showed that that can happen.

 

More high frequency results:

http://updatemed.com/220920105986

http://updatemed.com/220919974352

 

This one is also interestin :
http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?...wDate=&isShowPopularPosts=false&from=postView

The patient saw no improvment in the audiogram but saw improvment in T and speech recognition. If this is real this seems to correspond to the current theories about T.

 

Makes sense. My T is due to high frequency hearing loss. Seems like such a simple concept yet so complex :-( I'm excited to see what the future holds for this fella.

Remember, we do have those u.s. hearing regeneration trials coming up!

 

I did a little google search for hearing regeneration and his clinic is popping up. You would think if it was a big scam he would claim better results like 90% hearing loss improvement, 100% cured, etc.

If this guy is truly onto something, the bigger companies hopefully are not too far behind.

 

On which google page did you find the website? I had to go to page 4

The clinic has uploaded a presentation which shows selected audiograms and few information about the treatment. It is more like an advertisement. Nevertheless for your information:

http://cmclinics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Cheongminoverviewl.pdf

 

He now officially states to treat H

The academic part is not really detailed x)

 

Does he say somewhere that he treats T , rather then a decrease as a "sideeffect" .

 

Well look at the last three slides of the presentation...
He also told me that he has some success in treatment people that had T but no hearing loss

 

It just "feels" so ... dodgy .
"Improved after the 6th treatment"
and then in the pros and cons chart he states "-Tinnitus : disappear "

Man, its time we get some input from some pro's .... aren't there any doctors left on TT that can pitch in.
Obviously , if "-Tinnitus : disappear" then I should be booking an appointment ...but.... who the hell knows what this guy is doing ?

 

Yeah to be honest I don't think it "disappears", it probably get quieter and if the guy had mild T it can disappears.

But isn't your T from benzo withdrawal ? Not sure it will work for this...

 

I think so , but i am also a musician with hearing loss.
I do know that the benzo withdrawal killed my top end hearing ...pretty much heard it happen.
But after that I was listening to music trying to ascertain how much damage there was and might have caused further damage ...who knows ?

 

Of course it will work, ototoxic meds damage hearing like noise does.

And this guy won't cure T directly, he might restore some of your hearing which could induce a lower T.

 

There are so many questions though , most measured hearing loss is in the 4-6 khz range , the eeeeee T.
This is within a range that he seems to have results , so that might be the kind of T where his treatment is helpful.
We still have no idea what happens after 8 khz, for all we know he obliterates that range , not saying it does but we have no idea.

My particular T is in the 13-14-15 khz range and in the brain , if we make the assumption that fixing the hearing is what can fix the T then for people with hi freq T , it is essential to know what happens in that freq range with his treatment.

 

Yeah for hearing loss that high there is no data. Maybe ask him directly.

I don't think the very high end get destroyed from the treatment, otherwise his patients would come out with more severe really high pitch T. A worsening may happen though as we've seen from the data. But as someone here suggested it may be because of the perforation of the eardrum for the injection.

 

I have contacted him, lets see.
Is anyone planning to go ?
Has pricing been established ?

 

Price seems to be around 6000 USD.
I'm not planning to go yet because I'm not even sure of the cause of my T and distortions. It was better for a month and I even thought I was cure because it didn't get worse after the new year party, but since 3 weeks it gradualy worsened and it's at its worst now even though I haven't listen to any speaker in 2 weeks....
I'm pretty sure it's a sort of infection, and if it's still there I'm afraid the growth factors will make the infection grow lol....

I'm hoping the device to image the inner ear will be ready soon and I'll get a proper diagnostic and depending on it I might go.

 

Is that for one treatment ? It seems to take quite a few in some instances

 

I think it's for 2 but not sure .
Yeah it seems to vary with age and cause

 

My T is at such a severe level (constant high pitch 10/10 screech literally 24/7) and has been for the past year or so that I am seriously considering this treatment. I have a couple of reservations however. One being what is actually being injected in the subjects and the other is the high frequency hearing loss which his patients audiograms show post treatment. I wonder if he has considered doing long term follow up audiograms with these patients as I have a feeling that sometimes perforation of the ear drum can mimic hearing loss.

What treatment option are you considering @RaZaH & whoever else is thinking of having this done? I think there is the option of IV stem cells or via ear drum perforation. The chap who had his stem cells injected in the far east had his via IV. I wonder if this would negate the effect of high frequency hearing loss?

 

It seems that this guy has the best results I have seen so far.
I am concerned about hi freq loss as well, who knows what happens at 12 k and above ?
Also, we have no real idea what he is doing .
Apart from these concerns I am super tempted.

having said that , I am past the point in my life where I thought I was indestructible.

 

I'm not sure that you get the option... I think it is growth factors in the ear and stem cells via IV.

 

Damn so there's no 2 ways about it then? IIRC attheedgeofscience only had high level of IV stem cells only and that helped reduce his T by 50%. I wonder if Dr Mimbo would do IV only. I would rather get it done in Japan than Thailand/China.

My hearing is good but my patience is starting to wear really thin so I'm in two minds. I wonder how long treatment itself would take, cost of staying at a hotel & flights. Seems like I'm going have to start saving up

 

ATEOS also had injection of growth factors, it's in the plan of stemcell 21 treatment though I don't know if they were IV or not.

Another member is going to have stem cell this month check the threads in treatment section that will give you a better idea.