Tinnitus Retraining Therapy Is Ineffective, Latest Study Finds

Discussion in 'Research News' started by annV, May 25, 2019.

    1. jeff W

      jeff W Member

      Location:
      nakatomi plaza
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      04/2012
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    2. pathworker2017
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      pathworker2017 Member

      Location:
      Belfast United Kingdom
      Tinnitus Since:
      2012 approx
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      currently unknown, conductive hearing loss suspected
      One possible reason why TRT may have been thought of as having been" ineffective" is that although the TRT protocol follows a strict ruleset, it also takes into account that no two people will respond in an identical manner to the treatment, let alone their perception of tinnitus. People have different personalities, different lifestyles, different responses to tinnitus, and indeed the tinnitus sound is as unique as the individual experiencing it.

      There are so many variables involved with tinnitus that it would be pretty difficult, if not impossible to develop a standardized double blind placebo experiment protocol, the same criteria could equally apply to CBT, both approaches can only be tentatively valuated scientifically, indeed TRT and CBT have many features in common with each other in the way that they work. They do not cure the problem they are addressing, their purpose in both cases is to change how the patient perceives the bothersome problem.

      This is also called re-framing (something that will be familiar to anyone who has looked at Neuro Linguistic Programming, which is also a behavioural modification therapy of sorts).
       
    3. AmericanJosh

      AmericanJosh Member

      Location:
      Wisconsin, USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      8/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise exposure while doing work on home
      The audiologist at the medical college of Wisconsin told me not to use formal sound therapy and just instead gave me a free plan to use (sounds on apps for a few hours a day for a couple month). She also told me that in time the noise will just be something I'd get used to and learn to ignore most of the time. That is what happened. I am not sure it's different with those with hearing loss (I have normal hearing).
       
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    4. Contrast
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      Contrast Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Clown World
      Tinnitus Since:
      late 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise injury
      You know damn well your tinnitus was caused by hearing damage.

      Google hidden hearing loss, thank me later.
       
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    5. pathworker2017
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      pathworker2017 Member

      Location:
      Belfast United Kingdom
      Tinnitus Since:
      2012 approx
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      currently unknown, conductive hearing loss suspected
      In some regards I think your Audiologist gave you good advice, having looked through the TRT book critically, it does look more and more like an overpriced, very long, sales pitch (or am I just being too cynical?). if you pay shed loads of money, and are repeatedly fed material to support a given idea until you believe it at a subconscious level, then in that respect it "works" to a degree.

      Having read around the subject it does appear there is a significant drop rate for TRT, in the end analysis though, if it works for some people and does no additional harm, then I'm OK with that, it does have a lot of correlations with CBT (as I mentioned in a post or so back).

      Personally I think it is only viable in fairly severe cases of tinnitus or hyperacusis, and if you can afford the fees AND have the degree of perseverance to follow through with the full protocol.
       
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    6. dan
      Chatty

      dan Member

      Location:
      Toronto, Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise
      I wonder if Jastreboff wants to be laid to rest with his first edition original copy of the Jastreboff model across his chest...?

      I can see the headline already - BREAKING NEWS!!! JASTREBOFF DEAD
       
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    7. Christopher805

      Christopher805 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neomycin
      I am currently undergoing TRT. My practitioner / clinician whatever you prefer to use is the best in the field, world renowned. I’ve been using TRT for approx 6 months. I have proper setting, etc. Again my practitioner is the best. Trust me when I say it. The generators are torturous. The broadband noise is hideous. Listening to pink noise for 8 hours a day is maddening. The sounds you hear after wearing them all day are indescribable. There’s a heightened level of anxiety with taking them off knowing you will have to listen to high pitch whistles and static mixed with your ring all night. Counseling from the best was no more than a 1 hour session thumbing through diagrams of the brain. You say well did they not mention CBT, nope. I was told they would blend in. It never happened. After that you are on your own. I have no hearing loss. My hearing may be too good. I have hyperacusis and tinnitus. I can see why JAMA published an article that stated in part that white noise can negatively affect the brain. I am seriously considering to discontinue using them. Of course I could stop and my practitioner would never know because they never check on you. God Bless. Peace.
       
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    8. MRItechssuck
      Disappointed

      MRItechssuck Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      Mild 2000-2018 sev 10/17/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise, MRI
      Wow.

      How long does it take you to make a decision in the drive-thru?

      After 6 months of torture and you have no results, and there is no practitioner better, what are you waiting for?
       
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    9. Bartoli

      Bartoli Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2009,worsened 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      Wow. Just. Wow.
       
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    10. Christopher805

      Christopher805 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neomycin
      In all fairness I must provide an update. I have not worn generators for 14 days. In that time, my tinnitus is significantly lower and on some nights not detectable. Now, is it because of wearing generators for 6 months or is it the brain habituating on its own. Tough call. One thing that has not gotten better is the echo I hear when I talk particularly in the evening. But to be fair the tinnitus is not noticeable.
       
    11. Christopher805

      Christopher805 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neomycin
      Jazzer, your story really pulled on my heart. I live for music of all genres. My wife and I lives centered around listening to good music. Now, like you I have cried on her shoulder because those days seem so unattainable. It hurts to the core. I also cannot play my Taylor acoustic guitar anymore. I am sorry for your struggle and I pray one day soon we can continue to enjoy the sound of music in the arms of our wives.

      On another note, my ring is noticeable after stopping TRT. Wasted several grand to end up right where I started. Compliments of Jastreboff.
       
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    12. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      My dear friend Christopher,
      thank you so much for replying to me with such beautiful understanding, and comforting words.
      I picture you both holding on to each other with love and empathy - and tears.
      Was there ever such a vile and hateful predicament?
      I don’t believe so.
      Keep in touch if you feel it’s relevant.

      My deep love to you both,
      Thinking of you right now,

      Dave xx
      Jazzer
       
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    13. PhoenixAcademy

      PhoenixAcademy Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise?
      My Audiologist never mentioned Tinnitus Retraining Therapy for me. It looks like a pseudo-science anyway. First off, what is being 'retrained', the tinnitus? Tinnitus can be trained and then trained again, like refried beans are fried and refried? I am confused. Is this like Lenire?
       

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