Tinnitus vs. Tinnitus + Hyperacusis: Some Basic Differences

Discussion in 'Support' started by Zimichael, Jun 13, 2014.

    1. RaZaH
      Cheeky

      RaZaH Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Reykjavík, Iceland
      Tinnitus Since:
      2012/04
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Benzo + loud noise
      Man...you are strong , I could not deal with anything more than my T .
      I'm impressed, hope that is not the wrong thing to say.
       
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    2. Marlene
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      Location:
      Poole Dorset England
      Tinnitus Since:
      July 1996
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bacterial virus
      I love your postings Michael ,what good answers you place ,you do the homework ,you prove that before posting .,get going on those tips and tricks ,be of great interest to us .Hope your keeping well
       
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    3. AUTHOR
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      Zimichael

      Zimichael Member Benefactor

      Location:
      N. California
      Tinnitus Since:
      (1956) > 1980 > 2006 > 2012 > (2015)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ac. Trauma & Ac.Trauma + Meds.
      @Marlene ... Not ignoring your request here, just been side-tracked with other issues and recurrence of one of my long puzzling 'medical mysteries' (pain = a drain).
      By the way, I don't do any "homework" on stuff like this T and H, etc. I live it, so it's just easy "reporting" so to speak. I have to reserve 'homework' for the intricacies of figuring out neurology and Retigabine!

      One of the things I wanted to get clearer in this thread was the "body" v. "mind" aspect of dealing with and understanding sound reactive T/H. Simply speaking, it's easy to talk about mind over body and all that, but decent amounts of chronic pain for instance can have most of us re-evaluating the idea. Sons of God aside, etc.
      So when the "body" is reacting in such a radical fashion as it can do with sound reactive T/H then it gets damn hard to overrule that with the mind (habituation, etc.). Kind of like when the doc used to hit one's knee with a rubber hammer (do they still do that these days???) to test reflexes or whatever. As kids we thought it was such a 'kick' that one's leg kicked out every time, no matter how hard we tried to stop it.
      Same dealyhick with what I refer to as sound reactive T/H. Makes it somewhat of a "physiological" issue, to me, despite the 'theory' that it's all in your head so your head can get over it, etc. Ahhhhhhhhhhh....not so fast!
      I wrote this up in a really badly worded thread a while back but want to simplify it and add it here to make a kind of 'completion reference'. But not today. :bag:

      Take care, Zimichael
       
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    4. Natalie Roberts
      Haunting

      Natalie Roberts Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pregnancy or mild hearing loss.. Who knows.

      I'm not sure if I have hyperacusis with my T or if it's just reactive T. How do I know the difference? My T prefers being in quiet rooms or with soft music playing, no electronic sounds etc. usually when I watch tv or listen to my car radio my T gets louder as if it's trying to compete with the external noise. It doesn't hurt my ears, it's just very annoying and makes me want to avoid watching tv. I only watch a little tv now in the evenings with my partner we maybe watch an hour or two and I just put up with the extra ringing noise. I don't listen to music in my car or I turn the volume very low. I have been advised to use a sound machine at night but found it irritating as my T reacted and was louder with that also. I do plan to turn it on low volume and try again.. Any suggestions with my type of T? Is it hyperacusis?
       
    5. PaulBe

      PaulBe Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Cairns
      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Probably sound, though never proven
      Sounds like very reactive tinnitus Natalie.
       
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    6. Natalie Roberts
      Haunting

      Natalie Roberts Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pregnancy or mild hearing loss.. Who knows.
      Thanks for your input :)
       
    7. Mark Beehre
      Facebooking

      Mark Beehre Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Wellington, New Zealand
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2008 // 11/2014
      Tinnitus is quite dramatic in its first months. Any number of things can happen from a change in pitch, a change in loudness or complete silence. Your hearing pathways are reacting to outside stimulus and sending messages to the brain generating the tinnitus sensation. Tinnitus that reacts to sound is quite common and often happens in the first year of having tinnitus. As time passes your brain tends to reorganize the stimulus being sent by your ears and the unusual reactions start to happen less and less eventually disappearing. In saying that the original tinnitus generally remains.

      Your desire for a diagnosis is not uncommon, but finding the answer is unlikely to make your tinnitus any better. Because you are only one-two months into your initial outbreak of tinnitus I would recommend you give it time. For most people reactions and habituation come after the 12 to 18 month mark.
       
    8. Natalie Roberts
      Haunting

      Natalie Roberts Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pregnancy or mild hearing loss.. Who knows.
      Thank you for the information. The ups/downs/silents of this are super frustrating as is the reactiveness but I'm hoping it will improve with time. My ENT said it may go away after pregnancy is over (8 more weeks) or after breastfeeding if it was pregnancy induced since they just aren't sure (as in many cases) so I am trying to remain hopeful that that is the case. She said there are known cases of pregnancy inducing this but can't say for sure since my audiogram also showed very mild hearing loss in the upper ranges, which I was completely unaware of.
       
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      Zimichael

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      Location:
      N. California
      Tinnitus Since:
      (1956) > 1980 > 2006 > 2012 > (2015)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ac. Trauma & Ac.Trauma + Meds.
      @Natalie Roberts ... Just to add a little more here regarding your:

      A lot of this is covered in my posts in this thread as it gets a bit "complex" to figure it out. Maybe go over those four descriptions in post # 27 again and you will see the differences in what I have managed to figure out/discern are the differences in T, and H, and T + H.

      However, before a kind of summary for you specifically, I want to get a little 'pedantic' about the reference to "Reactive Tinnitus"...Reason being, that some time back, Nagler created a whole Broadway drama production based on this choice of words, as he reported that he got "reactive tinnitus" from eating Thai food, every time. But, because he was such a superhero (or whatever) he absolutely refused to let that stop him not living life to the full with tinnitus and enjoying Thai food...Code for this, from my interpretation, was: "Reactive T is no big deal...get over it!"
      Well, I agree if:
      1. One has a choice in the matter in relation to 'getting' a reaction.
      2. Said reaction goes back down as you poop out the Thai food, and it is thus TEMPORARY...and consistently so.
      This becomes a whole different ball of wax if such 'reactive increases' say, did not go down, and T volume increased permanently with every 'event'. I would postulate that seeing Thai restaurants may even cause some phobia, or angst, and trips to Thailand would be in the: "Never!" category.

      OK, so most of us here consider "Reactive T" to be from exposure to sound that triggers more or increased T, be it short lived (once removed from the sound, or after a good nights' sleep, or whatever)...or permanent. And I assure you that "permanent" increases in T are possible. *[Just look at my Profile/Information tab].

      So...to avoid theater productions over semantics, I adopted the more accurate term "SR-T" = "Sound Reactive Tinnitus" to describe jumps in T volume ascribed to sound. Increases in T from Thai food; coffee; MSG; chocolate; sex; etc., etc., etc. do not count as "SRT".

      Hence what you are inquiring about in your situation is "SRT".....Fair enough???

      From your description it sounds like you have somewhat sensitized "SRT" and maybe some H along with it. (Read those earlier breakdowns in post # 27). Your T volume goes up when you are in certain sound environments...thus QED, proves the SRT equation.

      My suggestion is: Don't push it! You could end up with permanently louder T. It is possible, though fortunately not the norm.

      With regard to H...I have described somewhere much better than I am going to do now (I have too many past posts on all this and can't find it), what "H feels like" versus SRT.
      For me...it is akin to a kind of "bruising" feeling inside the ear area 'somewhere in there'. A sort of dull, aching, semi-nerve-ouch-ugggghh-uncomfortable feeling trauma vibe. The "discomfort" is not like a sharp pain for me. Not like sticking a knife point into my arm. It's more like getting punched in the gut with the after-bruise sensation, as against the in initial "punch-ouch!" part.
      There is a strong correlation with an almost intuitive sense of: ALERT! ALERT! Damage is happening, or may start to happen!!!...But, and this is a very cruel "But"...This H damage can happen to me without this 'alert', or even knowing it is happening - if my consciousness was elsewhere (involved in the conversation or sound medium) or it was just too darn subtle to pick up at the time as "Volume" was not loud enough to warn of it. The damage to the H came, as I have previously stated,...from "Exposure Time Accumulation" to the sound source.
      And yes, permanent damage. (See 2102 and 2015). Permanent and long lasting loss of prior sound threshold tolerances.

      Indeed, like I explained above, this H damage need not be permanent...but what if it is???!!! How will you know until after the fact...Then let me tell you the: "If only I had not...." remorse is a killer.

      My advice, is be careful. Go slow. There is NO RUSH when there is potential to lose YEARS of very painfully gained ground, or future loss, of that final yardstick with all with this T/H stuff...Quality of Life.

      Take care, Zimichael

       
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    10. Natalie Roberts
      Haunting

      Natalie Roberts Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pregnancy or mild hearing loss.. Who knows.
      Zimichael,

      Thank you for your post. Sound reactive t does sound like what I am dealing with for sure. I will take your advise and continue easing into things. Like I said, I do use ear plugs on occasion and just purchased noise reducing ear plugs for loud things where I still need to what conversation and what not. I will listen to my body and try to do things that do not make my T worse. Yesterday while watching TV my T did react and get pretty annoying but after a little while I was able to tune out my t so I took that as a good sign but didn't push it too much.

      Again I appreciate your advise.
       
    11. AUTHOR
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      Zimichael

      Zimichael Member Benefactor

      Location:
      N. California
      Tinnitus Since:
      (1956) > 1980 > 2006 > 2012 > (2015)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ac. Trauma & Ac.Trauma + Meds.
      @Natalie Roberts ...
      You are welcome...

      Plus remember one other very important thing. According to your Profile you got T in October 2015...That is basically "zero time ago", versus say 59 years and counting. If you play it smart there is complete justification in believing that you will adapt to this in the not too distant future. And in the scale of things, a year or 18 months is not that long, if that's how long it takes.
      My caution again though, is that I suspect people who get SRT (versus non reactive 'normal' T) or added H, may be a bit more susceptible to repeat damage in the future. Just a theory. Maybe our genetics, or ??????

      So take care, and best to you... Zimichael.
       
    12. Natalie Roberts
      Haunting

      Natalie Roberts Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pregnancy or mild hearing loss.. Who knows.
      Yes, it started up just before Halloween so I think I am going on roughly 5 weeks. I don't know if I mentioned it to you specifically or not but they think mine is caused by either pregnancy or mild hearing loss (by my audiogram results) but of course they aren't sure. I have had zero exposure to excessively loud noises, concerts etc. I HAVE been under a great deal of stress this last year which I'm sure played a part in it all. The ENT suggested that if it is pregnancy related it should resolve sometime after giving birth/ceasing to breastfeed, otherwise I will adapt as everyone here has done. It is very new onset T in the scheme of things, I realize. I have had about 5-6 good days in the past 2 weeks where my T was super quiet and I almost could not hear it at all. A few days where I actually didn't hear it at all and where the reactivity was really low. Yesterday is a perfect example. I could hardly hear the T all day and it reacted at a MUCH lower level to the tv then normal. Today so far the volume has also been very quiet and tolerable. I am also able to control my panic/anxiety towards it most days. I am taking these good days positively that my T very well may continue to disappate or improve. Trying to stay positive, better then being negative and freaking out all the time, right? :)
       
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