What Are Your Thoughts on This... Stress Can Cause Tinnitus?

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    1. Leah

      Leah Member Benefactor

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      Found this fact while doing some research...

      "Stress, which may be caused by grief or depression, can be a direct cause of tinnitus in itself as the result can be that your hypothalamus, which is responsible for the production of certain brain chemicals, ceases to function adequately. Many kinds of stress related conditions like tinnitus can arise when this happens. "
       
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    2. Markku
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      Stress and tinnitus - from bedside to bench and back

      It's a good article depicting the connection between stress and tinnitus.

      From the "Stress and tinnitus" paragraph:
      • First, stress may potentially activate the local HPA axis in the inner ear. The consequences of local overdrive in the HPA system in cochlea are so far unknown.
      • Second, stress-activated HPA corticosterone release may affect mineralcorticoid receptor function in cochlea and possibly influence the concentration of potassium secreted by stria vascularis, resulting in tinnitus.
      • Third, stress-induced activation of HPA axis and corticosteroid release could provoke pre- or post-synaptic neuronal plasticity of the auditory system (Figure ​(Figure55).

      Who knows, but so many times I've read of stress being the apparent trigger.
       
    3. Mr Registered User

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      Mine tempororily increased a little when I was freaking out over losing all my credit cards a couple of weeks ago
       
    4. LadyDi
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      As Markku says, there can be a relationship. Anxiety and depression can cause T, they think And T can cause anxiety and depression. What a vicious circle. Tinnitus is common among veterans; not only are they exposed to loud noise, like gunfire, but they endure high levels of stress.

      I had an ENT who is well respected tell me last week that in many cases, a doctor never will be able you exactly what caused the disorder. There is so much they still don't know about it, he said, and it is interlocked with the brain, making it even more difficult.
       
    5. thenobody

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      I think it's different for everyone but my T is most definitely stress and anxiety related. When I reached an absolute low point in my life is when the T first popped up. Which sent me into a deeper depression which in turn increased the T and caused headaches and earaches.
      When I finally managed to come to grips with the situation and started feeling more relaxed my T decreased and so did my pain. Perhaps my T was triggered by my depression in the first place. I'll likely never know.
      I started college a few weeks ago after being out of school for a long time and this has increased my stress levels and thus increased my T. It's impossible to lead an entirely stress free life so it's just another thing I'll have to deal with.
      Having said that, my T can also be very unpredictable. There are times when I am relaxed and my T still skyrockets.
       
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    6. Per

      Per Member

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      But we can can find out what caused the T ourselves. We know ourselves way better than anyone else, most ENT's dont even bother to ask questions to the patients to try and find a plausible cause, that says alot. The ENT surgeon that assessed me didn't give a rats ass what caused it, he was only occupied with his doom and gloom description. Even without knowing anything about the cause he sure enough called it incurable and for life. We don't need people like that in our lives.

      If you know you haven't been exposing yourself to very loud music, had no head injury, sinus infection, medication use or anything on the cause list, then it's logical to search for answers in other theories. If you at the same time know that you've been under extreme stress (which is on the cause list too), pressure and/or mental trauma then stress could be the thing that generated your T. No wonder it's a "mystery" to most docs. They don't bother to ask questions or do any effort to reveal causes. So WE must be the voice of reason here. I can personally tick several boxes on the potential cause list so for me it could take time to find the cause, could also be a mix, but when it comes to stress I'm a firm believer that it causes severe T in much more cases than officially known. Hearing loss is used as a cause way too many times, even after passing hearing tests with brilliant results some ENT's would say "hm, but then it could be a hidden hearing loss". That's true, it could be so but millions of people have a hearing loss without having T as well, they can live a lifetime without knowing about their hearing loss. The hearing loss theory is getting weaker for each good test you undertake, especially if you haven't been exposing yourself to loud sound at all. ENT's are very occupied with the connection between hearing loss and T and it is a common cause, but so is a plethora of other reasons, so who's to say what caused the condition when no questions are asked?

      Again, we should be the best ones to introduce reason and logic. Also, when you do a hearing test and the audiogram is revealing a slight hearing loss, then it is far too easy for a medical assessor to say "aha, now that's why you have T!" It's like taking an MRI scan, all of a sudden they find all sorts of stuff that could be the reason for something you are suffering from. I once took an ultrasound on my stomach because I was in pain, they found numerous small kidney stones, that sent the doctor in a totally wrong direction cause he took that as a sure sign I had pain cause of kidney stones. After a while a more experienced doc. came into the picture (literary) and said "wait, these tiny kidney stones are very common, we see them all the time, they will pass naturally trough my system, let's not go down that road" That lead to my recovery cause he was able to leave the fake lead and diagnose me with an infection which caused my stomach problems. Just an example on how things can evolve just because many docs. are "indoctrinated" and think on autopilot.

      I'm very much on the long road to find my own cause(s) and the stress related T track is absolutely interesting. I received an interesting lead on somatic stress vs T from Markku a couple of days ago. Greatly appropriate input on this topic.
       
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    7. Leah

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      I need to find new ENT. Mine has blown me off asneurotic woman who can't handle the noise,.really almost got mad at me for asking questions about the disease.​
       
    8. Relic Hunter
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      I am a firm believer that not only can stress cause an onset of tinnitus but fuels it as much as pouring gasoline on a fire..I have had T for years but it was mostly light and in one ear until a very stressful time in my life in which it started in the other ear and got louder..I have a hearing loss in the high F. range but nothing has changed in the past 20 years.

      I am a vet and visit a VA center where there are about 800 vets with T..They have a complete Tinnitus dept. The doctor there says that in almost 100 percent of cases that the person is also experiencing some kind of PTSD...Usually PTSD is associated with combat but stress is stress and the brain reacts accordingly.

      True or not but I know from personal experience that when I am under stress the T is worse and the T causes the stress level to go up. A vicious cycle.
       
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    9. Leah

      Leah Member Benefactor

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      That being true, I need to find what will help me. Yes a vicious cycle for sure. I am doing acupuncture and anti depressants.
       
    10. Per

      Per Member

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      06/2013
      @Markku,

      Based on the short somatic T article you refereed to I ended after some research at this clinic in Sweden http://www.yts.se/ and I have started to correspond with them, I gave them my T description and life situation prior to T, then I filled out a rather long form that asked numerous questions about my T, how it reacts to facial expressions like opening mouth, pushing the cheek out etc. I was also asked to draw marks a face illustration to emphasis my explanation. I had to sign this manually pen filled form and scan it back to them by email. I'm going to have a first Skype session with one of the therapist 01.11 (yet again the waiting game) but I really wanna follow the somatic route to see if it can lead to some progress. I can relate alot to what is written about this subject and based on what I provided of personal info. to that clinic they agreed. But it's up to me to evaluate this treatment method after I get some experience with it. Just wanted to follow up this thread.

      @Leah,

      This could also be interesting for you to keep a track on.
       
    11. carlover
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      The readers of this thread may like this
      How to Let Go of Tinnitus by Julian Cowan Hill


      I know this guy ,hes a psychotherapist and cranial osteopath,
       
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    12. carlover
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      ...and to follow on from above ,julian has got an E book.

      http://www.cst.eu.com/ebookpage.html

      This would definitely not be a scam. He is a very well meaning individual.He is infact profoundly deaf and baically has to lip read you when you talk.

      Actually after 2 treatments he genuinly and magnaminously said I would better off not paying him for Cranialsacraltherapy but to just do my Chi Kung every day for 2 hours (which I have wrote about on this forum) Trouble is finding the time ,I wish I could clear off down to the seaside for 6 months and do my chi kung all day.



      Wow I was looking for thisarticle from him ,its not on the internet anymore but ive found it on a post I made a long time ago on the RNID forum here it is.

      How to Improve your Tinnitus by Reducing Adrenaline
      By Julian Cowan Hill R.C.S.T



      What is tinnitus?

      Most people get tinnitus if you put them into total silence! Heller and Bergman proved this back in 1953 when they found 93% of people taking part in a test reported hearing noises, even though they were in total silence.

      Ears work all the time and only relax as long as they have latched onto a harmless background noise. So if you put people in silence, their ears will listen out harder and harder until they find something else to pick up. If there is nothing there, ie silence, most people’s sense of hearing will intensify until it becomes so sensitive, it starts picking up internal nervous information. That’s what tinnitus is- hypersensitive listening that detects the noises of the brain. Your ears have become too sensitive.

      If you have tinnitus, the first message is to AVOID SILENCE. It activates a stress response in your system, and increases your internal auditory sensitivity.

      So why are you listening constantly to your tinnitus when most of the population is blissfully unaware of it? Why has your hearing become too sensitive and latched onto the noises of your brain?

      The answer is because, behind the scenes, your central nervous system is idling in a constant state of red-alert. For some reason your whole system has locked itself into a state of emergency, as if it senses that there is some threat or danger there all the time, even though you know mentally that things are OK. Adrenaline* is the hormone that keeps your system locked into this state. (NB I use the term adrenaline to refer to a group of hormones released by the adrenal glands, eg cortisol, adrenaline, noradrenaline, etc.)

      Below I will explain how your system gets into this state in the first place and how to recognise this pattern in yourself. The key to understanding tinnitus is adrenaline. If you have high levels of adrenaline coursing through your body, this prepares you for emergency. Your heart beats faster, your oxygen intake goes up, your senses become alert and specifically for tinnitus, your sense of hearing becomes acute.

      On adrenaline you become much more reactive to the world around you and are constantly ready for action. The adrenal/stress response is purely and simply a survival mechanism that has evolved into our nervous system. When danger appears, we don’t have to think about it, we just automatically go into emergency mode, or the “fight or flight” response as it is called. To get out of danger we need to see, smell, feel and hear the slightest thing at lightening speed because it can save our lives. When the lion appears, if we notice it in time we can run away!

      Tinnitus is bound up with this response. This is why most people start complaining about noises in the head after periods of high levels of adrenaline. (More later) Too much adrenaline over a long period of time gives you tinnitus.

      Listening sensitivity can be heightened by other things too. If you are hard of hearing or deaf, every time you strain to hear you are heightening your sensitivity. As you can no longer get enough information from the external world, your brain tries harder to increase its receptivity by turning up the inner recording volume. This is why many people with hearing loss often experience tinnitus.

      Tinnitus reminds me of an old fashioned tape-recorder when you set the recording volume too high. As a result, you not only hear the intended noise, but you also pick up masses of buzzing and humming coming from the machine itself. Tinnitus is where you hear the noises of the brain on top of sounds coming in from the outside world.

      For those of you who are deaf, don’t strain to hear. This only makes your listening even more sensitive and prone to tinnitus. Get the appropriate hearing apparatus so your internal hearing sensitivity can relax and calm down.

      You can also make your ears sensitive by sticking things down them. Because they are one of the most delicate parts of the body, just thinking about a doctor sticking a cold, metal implement down there can make you wince. If you have experienced syringing, you don’t need me to tell you how hyper-aware your ears become as you monitor every tiny movement and feeling. Even though you trust the doctor, a part of you becomes very wary. You feel every movement, and hear the tiniest noise. This intense focus is ideal for generating tinnitus sensitivity. So avoid physical contact with the ear canal as much as possible.


      How to get tinnitus!

      I was the perfect candidate for developing very severe tinnitus. My childhood was full of stress, ear-infections, grommets, antibiotics and hearing loss. By adulthood I was moderately deaf, straining to hear as a result. Further stress and the onset of candidiasis (from the antibiotics) made things worse. I had my ears syringed a couple of times and used to use cotton buds to clean them. (NB Earwax is the very antiseptic substance needed to protect your ears from infections!) On top of that I drank stimulants like coffee and alcohol that sent my adrenaline levels into orbit, thus heightening my sensitivity. Every one of these factors contributed to developing tinnitus. There are many other factors that contribute, not mentioned here.

      I converted my own tinnitus from a devastating, sleep-disturbing level to almost imperceptible and irrelevant one by reducing all the factors that have led to hypersensitivity. I have reduced stimulants, and a couple of years of craniosacral therapy have helped stabilise my adrenaline levels. If you can reduce your adrenaline levels you will be well on your way to mastering your own tinnitus.

      Rather than wait for a magic pill to arrive, (I wish the researchers every success), I have got on with letting go of the tinnitus pattern with a great deal of success. I have learnt, after 20 years of personal experience, how to undo this pattern. This is why I want to share this with you. I know what it is like to be bugged all the time by noise.


      Why is adrenaline so important to undoing tinnitus?

      Adrenaline helps us survive in dangerous situations. As I mentioned above, a heightened sense of hearing will very often save our lives. Think of a shooting scene in an action film. The villain is just out of sight. He’s got a gun. The hero is bracing himself for attack. All the loud music has suddenly gone quiet. All we can hear is breathing. Everyone in the cinema is listening to the tiniest sound. A crunch of gravel under foot, a sudden gasp just out of sight. The film direction is imitating exactly what happens to our own perception under stress. Our focus intensifies and locks onto the slightest piece of information.

      Suddenly the villain knocks into something. Everyone in the cinema jumps out of their skin. The hero in a split second, on the strength of this tiny piece of auditory information, will either attack or run for his life. His ears will literally determine whether he lives or dies. This is the classic fight or flight response of the nervous system that is hardwired into each one of us. It has survived millions of years of dangerous situations to create the body you are alive in right now. It is this survival response that causes to you to start tensing up with suspense as you watch the film. The adrenaline makes your ears hyper-vigilant.

      The best way to make a film less scary is to turn off the sound. Your ears play an enormous part in the stress response. Stress plays an enormous role in the way you hearing. This explains how you can fall asleep in the middle of a noisy party one day, and yet be woken up by a feint tap at the window in the middle of the night.

      Research shows that acute stress and adrenaline can literally divert blood flow from the cochlea and make you deaf! At a minute level, the expression “too much sex makes you deaf” is certainly true if you indulge in highly exciting, adrenal charged interactions!

      Adrenaline causes you to become sensitive to nervous impulses that you normally would not pick up. This is the inescapable fact that everyone with tinnitus needs to understand. I have yet to meet someone with tinnitus who is not running on high adrenaline levels.

      If your adrenaline levels drop, your sensory perception will become less acute, and your tinnitus will ease.

      What Tinnitus People Have in Common

      Analysing the case histories of over 200 people, tinnitus is closely linked to an “adrenal” lifestyle, and emerges shortly after dangerous, challenging or overstimulating events. I have written a list below of the common situations in life where tinnitus tends to emerge.

      Think about your life. When did you first notice tinnitus? Which of the following situations was the trigger for your tinnitus?

      ? Physical trauma, e.g. car crash, broken bones
      ? ‘Upheaval’ in your personal life, e.g. splitting up, divorce
      ? Spending time abroad in unfamiliar surroundings
      ? War, fighting, struggle or combat of any kind- court cases
      ? Surgical procedures and/or anaesthetics
      ? Major dental intervention
      ? Frequent/persistent – recreational or medical
      (particularly aspirin, amiltryptaline and
      commonly prescribed benzodiazepines)
      ? Hearing loss, ear infections or syringing
      ? A severe impact to the head or jaw problems
      ? Chronic worrying
      ? Motherhood stress- listening out for a baby crying for months on end
      ? Overwork, tiredness, exhaustion
      ? Extreme physical exertion, too much exercise etc.
      ? Too much excitement or stimulation

      Consider that symptoms may appear months after the challenging situation…

      Tinnitus is a symptom that your nervous system is overexerted. The alarm bells are ringing for a reason. Take away the reasons and your alarm bells will stop ringing. If you get a pill which switches off the alarm bells, this is as useful as putting a muffler over a burglar alarm. Its great for not hearing the alarm, but what about the problems in the first place that are causing the alarm to ring? Tinnitus often won’t let go of you until you let go of some major patterns in your life. I can help you discover how you are holding onto patterns of imbalance and help you let go of them. However if you continue to drive your life in the adrenal lane then you will have to continue to live with your tinnitus for the time being!


      How adrenal are you?


      The best way to start helping yourself is by recognising all the tell-tale signs that things are not happy or comfortable behind the scenes with your central nervous system. Clients are not usually aware of how hyped-up they are. Becoming aware of this is very important.

      Tick how many of the following adrenal symptoms apply to you:

      ? Wake up early feeling groggy and not refreshed
      ? Wake up frequently during the night
      ? Burn brightly outwardly, but you are constantly tired inside
      ? Easily activated, irritable, reactive, oversensitive
      ? Impatient
      ? Easily distracted
      ? Cerebral and analytical
      ? Prone to anxiety
      ? Controlling
      ? Driven, over-ambitious, always do too much, action orientated
      ? Tend to bite off more than you can chew
      ? Short-tempered
      ? Sensitive digestive system, bowel movements from one extreme to another
      ? Crave sugar, or need sugar boosts throughout the day
      ? Sensitive or Dependent on stimulants like coffee, alcohol, chocolate
      ? Run at high speed - deadlines dominate
      ? Always on the go - get bored easily - can’t bear ‘nothing to do’
      ? Never satisfied: “grass is greener”
      ? Doing too much for no apparent reason – hate being “left out”
      ? Never have enough time
      ? Poor circulation in extremities
      ? Stiff neck and shoulders - tingling hands and wrists
      ? Low energy and tired – crave mindless distraction
      ? Keep on going, collapse in a heap, out like a light
      ? Poor sleeper – should have had a sleep during in the day


      Does this sound like you? If some of these resonate with you, then you are likely to be highly adrenal, and will need help to let go with cranial work. At first it is much easier to let go with someone else’s help.


      How do you reduce your adrenaline level?

      Most people with tinnitus have a system in overwhelm. By that I mean, at some stage along the line, their life experiences have been too much for their nervous system to cope with. This experience doesn’t just vanish into thin air. It gets stored up in the nervous system as “shock”. Unresolved shock and trauma from overwhelming past experience is the most common cause of high adrenaline levels/tinnitus in all my patients.

      In any overwhelming situation the central nervous system invests a lot of energy in managing ‘traumatic history’. It could be something that happened in childhood, it could be a car crash five years ago. You won’t be aware of this because patterns of shock and trauma are managed at a subconscious level. The way you feel will be normal to you.

      In fact most people feel more or less OK. Our nervous systems do a very good job of managing unprocessed trauma in the background. You may have an easy life, and yet still have adrenal symptoms outlined in the list above. You may just have moderate to low energy or the odd nightmare, or some inoffensive symptom, but there is still a sense of not being quite right.

      Cranial contact can help develop your sensitivity and put you in touch with what is going on behind the scenes. A common symptom of trauma is that people will not be able to feel certain parts of their body. They may develop hot and cold areas, numbness, tingling, or a sense of expanding and contracting. Sometimes they can feel very disconnected or shaky.

      The moment you slow down, and start paying attention to how your body feels, this is where transformation can take place.

      It is vital for you to get in touch with the felt sense of your body. You need to stop spending so much time in your thoughts, analysing everything, and start learning to feel. Most tinnitus people are out of touch with their bodies which is the only place where stress etc. can be discharged from.

      At first it can be a challenge to slow down sufficiently to feel what is really going on inside. To let go of your tinnitus start focussing more closely on how you feel. Cranial work is excellent at putting people back in touch with how they feel.

      When you release a pattern of trauma this can relieve the need to be pumping so much adrenaline into your system. In turn this can lead ultimately to switching the alarm bells off!

      Cranial work is one of the best ways of getting in touch with how you really are. You can build up the sense of internal security and comfort in your nervous system. As each pattern is digested and processed freely by the nervous system, you become more able to just be who you are without needing to process so much in the background.

      Your alarm bells are ringing. Your body is trying to get you to listen to it. You can’t let go of what you don’t know about!



      Advice on how to manage your tinnitus


      ? Reduce stimulants like coffee, chocolate, tea & alcohol. These all raise you adrenaline levels – and therefore make you more sensitive to tinnitus!

      ? Use craniosacral therapy as a means of monitoring your own process and getting in touch with what you need to let go of.

      ? Start becoming aware of physical sensations and emotions in your body by learning yoga, meditation, tai chi etc. Try and get out of the thinking part of your brain, and connect with the information your body is giving you, ie the feeling part of your brain. Tinnitus people tend to be very out of touch with this.

      ? Bring in as much peace, comfort and physical relaxation into your life. Put your central nervous system first for a change. If your tinnitus is bad, do something to relax yourself, and take your focus away from it.

      ? Take responsibility for your own symptoms. Start being honest and use your tinnitus as a “healthometer”. It will soon tell you if you are doing the right thing because it will calm down.

      ? Take a long-term view. Don’t expect to change the way you are overnight.

      ? Avoid silence or anything that makes you focus on your hearing in a negative way. Listen to pleasant sounds.

      ? Start becoming aware of your adrenaline levels. Learn to lower it and you will be well on your way to improving your health overall, as well as your tinnitus.

      ? Be wary of complaining about tinnitus with others. Grumbling only strengthens the emotional grip tinnitus has over you and can heighten your sensitivity to it. Whenever you catch yourself grumbling, replace it with a constructive relaxation exercise.
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      Tuesday, December 14, 2010 10:05:37 PM
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      Given my limited experience of t but extensive knowledge of anxiety!!!! I would wholeheartedly agree with the theme of this article. Of course it will not work for everyone especially if there is severe damage to the ear or nerves but keeping calm and not focussing on the condition is key (certainly for me at the moment).
       
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    13. Amelia
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      @carlover - thank you for posting that. So much of it resonates and makes sense to me. I believe that stress and anxiety played a big part in the onset of my T.
      I'm now working in reducing my stress and replacing any negative T thoughts with positive ones (ie - yes I can hear it but I'm thankful to be able to hear my children etc - I guess like Cognitive therapy a bit)
       
    14. Per

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      Julians engagement in T is very authentic and real. I don't know if he's a lip reader tough cause I've spoken to him on the phone, so he at least hear okay enough to both speak clearly and listen on the phone. Anyhow I feel that he is nailing the issues and his somatic approach is more than loose theories. Whenever I read something he has authored I always feel I can relate and it's based on first hand experience. In my case the T could be BOTH somatic and physical inner ear damage, so I'm very frustrated, that's why I need to approach my problem step by step. I'm very interested in learning more about lowering my adrenaline levels and I'm trying to incorporate some steps in the right direction every day. I pick my fights much more carefully now, I'm trying to help others more (can I help you with that bag miss?), not focusing too much on stuff in the society that makes me pissed (like grumbling about stuff I see on the news), trying to think less perfected and/or lowering the demands I put on myself. I've also picked up a better eating habit etc. What Julian says about adrenaline, cortisol and its effect on the central nervous system is dead right - it's kinda hard to change a lifestyle but I'm personally quite convinced stress has caused a lot of physical problems for me. It's extremely difficult to turn this around, it's been going on for too long but I have hope. Above all it's no doubt that a more relaxed life could benefit my T levels. Sometimes the feeling of despair can really deflate me, like listening to the loud T and think "man, this has been going on non-stop since the 17th of June now. Will it really NEVER end?" Stuff like that is tuff.

      He also says that it's important not to complain about the T as well, so sometimes I think "hm, should I be writing about my bad T days on this forum?" - but sometimes I find comfort just in the way I can write it down and share with someone that understands. I must admite I'm not the best at looking at negative stuff in a positive way. I'm more of a "damn, why me?!" type of person. Perhaps because I think I've experienced enough setbacks in my life, but trying to lower the stress hormones doesn't suit a worried mind. So I guess its important to retrain the worried mind as well. When I got T I had been fighting a very painful adhesive capsulities (aka "frozen shoulder") for 6 months and the surgeons told me that it could stay on for everything from 2 to 8 years, so to wake up with loud T on top of that AND later on discovering that the same shoulder condition had started in the other shoulder as well... well... that took the last wish to live from me almost. It's typical of me to sit here and write this with my arms tucked together and let my wrists do the typing motion. I should learn to relax more obviously.
       
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    15. carlover
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      Hello Per ,your right I have also spoken to him on the phone,however on meeting him twice he concentrates very hard on your voice and has told me he uses lip reading so make of that what you will.

      Tell you what has downed me recently I have sleight to moderate high freq heaing loss and in the medicine world that = Tinnitus.Now julian is profoundly deaf and many hard of hearing (I am not hard of hearing) people DO NOT have Tinnitus.This has always give me hope ie central nervous system etc is the problem.

      On googling, the people that have Tinnitus have an audiology reading that loses hearing in and called a "ski slope way" the graph looks like a ski slope.I do remeber my ENT on looking at my results saying "ah the ski slope" ...I could be doomed.
       
    16. Per

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      06/2013
      If you tell an ENT or an Audiologist you have T and they find a slight hearing loss, then the hearing loss gets the blame for the T. It's because they have read that most T sufferers have hearing loss. That's why they write nonsense like "90% av of all T victims have a hearing loss." It's just wild suggestions and loose theories cause acoustic shock generates T - it also however generates a brain disorder. So, there we are stuck with a dilemma. What came first? The disorder or the hearing loss? I do agree that T and hearing loss do connect to some extent and in several cases but so does numerous of other combinations! The brain however is the generator, not the ear. It's the auditory cortex of the brain that distributes frequencies and command the physical parts in the ear what to listen for and what to hear. Every scientist in the field of neurology agree on this, they need to educate ENT's and Audiologist on this as well or else they will keep on banging the TV to get a clearer picture. Why they are so over occupied with the hearing loss part of it beats me, but its most likely the medical personnel are flock animals and they love to walk in the same footsteps. I guess its safe for them.

      When I did my hearing test it came out quite alright. It wasn't perfect but who's is? Every human being loose hearing, it's just a matter of time. No audiogram looks the same when your 19 and when your 43. Also, inner hair cells are lost naturally by time. So when an ENT "expert" shouts about hair cells being destroyed etc. he or she should know that it doesn't have to mean a great deal in any context. The thing about our condition is that it's all theories and assumptions. They can't retrieve a visual reference to the inner ear so they are left guessing. I'm having my hearing checked once again late October with an Audiologist. If that test shows a slight defect on any frequency that doesn't prove anything in regards to my T. It's going to be interesting to see what that Audiologist will say because on the phone they told me "we are not looking for T causes here" - in other words they are doing the test so they can start treating my H and then after that measure my T frequencies. If they start to ramble about T in context of my audiogram then they have proved to me that they can't be trusted, cause they told me they didn't chase causes. So many of them are talking on autopilot.

      I don't know if I will ever really know the cause of my T&H, as I have mentioned in earlier post it could be BOTH hearing problems and/or physical inner ear related damages, somatic causes, medicine usage etc. Could very well be a mix of all these for what I know. However, I do know that I never experienced any acute acoustic trauma, I did however become acutely struck with loud T. Just like that, from one day to the other life became noisy.

      If I start by focusing on my central nervous system and walking the somatic road with this, I will sooner or later find out if it helps. And if it helps I could be on a good road. If my adrenaline levels decrease as the T volume decreases then I'm onto something good. The first ENT I went to with this told me to prepare myself for a lifetime of T, I guess he would be rather disappointed if it never happened as people like him hate to be wrong.
       
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    17. Bruce Australia

      Bruce Australia Member

      Location:
      Victoria, Australia
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2012
      Hi. I'm new. I think my T came from a 5 year job hunt, a very unsatisfying job, being anxious all my life, a couple binges, bad diet, a couple overuses of an ipod, not knowing how to relax, etc., etc. I think I have to re-train my brain to be less negative. I WILL finally sign up for yoga! Etc.
       
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    18. Per

      Per Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2013
      @Bruce Australia,

      Job hunting, tell me about it. I'm still at it and I don't even know if I'm capable of working in this condition. Very stressful having to deal with rejections all the time and still put up a brave face. Are you sure you mean yoga and not meditation? I'm interested in that as well, but I think yoga is more physical and meditation more orientated towards relaxation of the mind, to give inner piece. I guess both ways aim to relax the system.
       
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    19. Cher69
      Fine

      Cher69 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      York, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      20/5/2013
      I have loved reading this thread and find it ticks so many boxes for me I really found this very motivating ty guys for these great posts !
       
    20. Ed209

      Ed209 Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      07/2015
      No wonder he had tinnitus! Listen to the racket the poor guy has to suffer in the last 2 minutes of the video ;)
       
    21. Ricardo1991
      Fine

      Ricardo1991 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Signs seem to point to head/ neck injury!
      I have heard of this. Also, the day before this happened (aside from hair bleach) I was so angry at my job and a student (I work for financial aid) and my heart was racing and I was probably the most angry I've ever been at my job and the next day tinnitus.
      Also, my mom's friend said that she got into a huge argument with her daughter and she had tinnitus for 4 months and it went away.
      My husband said the same thing about a friend of a friend and my sister just recently got into a huge argument with one of our brothers and stressful new job and now she has tinnitus (except, she's dealing with it way better than I am lol).
       

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