Anyone Looking at Investing Aspects of Tinnitus Companies?

Discussion in 'Awareness & Fundraising' started by Zimichael, Oct 10, 2014.

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    1. Zimichael

      Zimichael Member Benefactor

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      (1956) > 1980 > 2006 > 2012 > (2015)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ac. Trauma & Ac.Trauma + Meds.
      Not sure where this post belongs really, but I guess it could fall under "financial support" so at least I have one foot in the correct Forum locational door!

      In short, my question is based on the fact that if anyone out there knows which "Tinnitus cure" companies are going to have the biggest impact in the future, it is us, right here. We are the tip of the spear when it comes to slicing and dicing the realities of effectiveness.
      Also, many of us (most of us???) are suffering, or have suffered, from this "beast" and I see no reason why we should not have an opportunity to partake in some of the huge financial gain that will follow any major "cure" in the future. After all, we are the fodder for that future cash cow. I sincerely doubt that the companies involved in the research are going to give away 'whatever-it-is' that works, out of their charitable hearts to the teeming T millions.

      With that in mind, and "some gain for our pain", I have been snooping around the potential investment options in this field. Now in NO WAY am I into the big leagues here. I am talking small potatoes $$$ (not "Angel Investor" status), but do know that bio-tech start-ups can explode (or crash and burn) fast...Really fast! If something is super good, it is worth being in on board before it goes orbital.

      Currently, it seems like most to the players are "private" (like Knopp Biosciences that @111 posted about today). However, Auris is "public" with ticker EARS, and Otonomy is with ticker OTIC. Have not found any others yet, and have not looked at all in the "sound generator" field (Like TinAway's somewhat shaky 'donation' deal, etc.).

      Hence I am wondering if anyone else is watching this area in the Tinnitus spectrum? If so maybe we can share ideas, info., cautions and experience. In private messages if so desired.

      Best, Zimichael
       
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    2. Rube
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      Rube Member Benefactor

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      i was thinking about this exact subject a few days ago. i would invest in autifony but its not public yet or maybe have to invest through GSK?
       
    3. 111

      111 Member

      You can invest in Autifony in a round about way, they are part the below listed company and they trade shares. It might be a good time to buy, they are down as of Friday. I suppose the only risk is you are also investing with other companies as well within Imperial innovations.
      If you have a look at the share price it actually went up when phase 2 testing was announced ( in June ), so Autifony can have a bearing on the share price, so I am sure if the next phase shows good results then another jump should occur.

      link to the companies share price last 6 months http://www.imperialinnovations.co.uk/investor-relations/share-price/

      link to the main site showing other invested companies as well
      http://www.imperialinnovations.co.uk/ventures/portfolio/

      At 440 a share at present it might be worth a dabble on the market, seeing as the phase 2 testing is only 4 weeks in length it should only mean a wait of a few months to see the investment go up, upon good results
       
    4. Valentin

      Valentin Member

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      17/08/2013
    5. Zimichael

      Zimichael Member Benefactor

      Location:
      N. California
      Tinnitus Since:
      (1956) > 1980 > 2006 > 2012 > (2015)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ac. Trauma & Ac.Trauma + Meds.
      Yeah, I had looked into "Imperial" but had some reservations due to it being on the UK exchange (v. USA), so a bit less convenient; low volume; and primarily 26 darn companies in their portfolio other than Autifony. God knows if all the rest are any good, etc. So it did not get my rather limited resources for this kind of venture too greased. Now if I was "Maserati man" maybe I would take a shot at it (though still prefer the girl) :)

      With GSK same "dilution" deal for my key interest, which is T specific...and if buying their shares get all the nice corruption and Big Pharma ethical karma crap going along with it. Less of that with "dedicated" (genuine of course) small companies with high insider ownership.

      And yes, ATEOS has posted some stuff on companies involved in the field...Seeing as he made it public on this forum, I am hoping/presuming he does not mind if I attach it here again.

      Best, Zimichael
      * I see we have been moved to a new section of the TT site, which is fine. I was not too sure where to land this thread so now I know.
       

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    6. attheedgeofscience
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      attheedgeofscience Member Hall of Fame

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      Childhood
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      Head Injury
      As it happens, I provided a good bit of financial investment info (= lenghty posts) in this thread a couple of months ago:

      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/auris-medical-ipo.5574/

      Attached are all the companies currently pursuing otology therapies.

      Besides Otonomy (OTIC) and Auris Medical (EARS), you can also invest directly in GenVec (GNVC). Autifony Therapeutics needs to be invested in via one of its three main investors ie. you cannot invest in it directly.

      The short summary of my lengthy posts is that I would, myself, not be particularly interested in investing in otology therapy companies (risk profile is not good). I recently sold my Novartis shares with a 32% ROI in just one year. How about that for a non-start up company...!

      So why invest in a high risk company when you can get good ROI with low risk companies?

      But... I fully understand your line of thinking (ie. hitting the jackpot with a new start-up). But they are hard to predict ie. who could have anticipated that Tekmira Pharmaceuticals producing the TKM-Ebola drug would surge all of a sudden because of the two American doctors who were treated with another experimental Ebola drug? The experimental treatment was not announced... suddenly it just happened. Such is the nature of investments.
       

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    7. Zimichael

      Zimichael Member Benefactor

      Location:
      N. California
      Tinnitus Since:
      (1956) > 1980 > 2006 > 2012 > (2015)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ac. Trauma & Ac.Trauma + Meds.
      As usual @attheedgeofscience outstanding information! I had missed that thread on the Auris IPO... https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/auris-medical-ipo.5574/ which covers a wealth more detail than just Auris. Anyone following this investing aspect should read it!

      Plus I have to agree, that the risk profiles are pretty darn high with these companies and have first hand experience of how bio-techs have a horrible habit of suddenly needing gobs more money and announcing they are offering more shares at some way lower price. The open market price then takes the appropriate dive overnight. Very common! And not at all comforting! *[I bought one such stem cell whiz company at 70 cents when it was already down 75%, then it did some of these "dilutions" and eventually was down 97%! Even so, my position...very small fortunately, is now down 90%. I'm just sitting on it and waiting for years as it laboriously goes through (successfully) it's Phases of trials].

      At present I am not putting any $$$ into any of the companies listed so far, but am watching. If Autifony were an isolated company on it's own, and it was not looking like it was going to go broke on it's capital burn rate real soon, then I would indeed have a position there. But with that huge Imperial portfolio, I'm not interested.

      I still like the idea though of "some gain for our pain"...Sigh!

      Zimichael
       
    8. attheedgeofscience
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      attheedgeofscience Member Hall of Fame

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      Head Injury
    9. attheedgeofscience
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      attheedgeofscience Member Hall of Fame

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      Childhood
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Head Injury
    10. 111

      111 Member

    11. Zimichael

      Zimichael Member Benefactor

      Location:
      N. California
      Tinnitus Since:
      (1956) > 1980 > 2006 > 2012 > (2015)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Ac. Trauma & Ac.Trauma + Meds.
      Not sure if anyone is watching this area, but Genvec (GNVC) popped up like a rocket last week, and is now diving back to see if it can refurbish it's booster.
      Autonomy has flattened out again (OTIC).
      And Auris (EARS) is still near the bottom of the long slide.

      Zimichael
       

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