Craniosacral Therapy (Julian Cowan Hill, etc.)

Well if you had trigger points causing your T (usually stemming from your SCM muscle in neck) then yes, T could be relieved..so either through massage of the trigger points, injections and or TMJ therapy..though there are different reasons one with TMJ can have T as well.

Look up trigger point therapy by Clair Davies online..add Tinnitus to that as well..I can push on my jaw and make my T loud or appear in left ear...I also have TMJ

 

Hey that's pretty cool! I just began CST myself. At first I was like..uhm..so your just laying hands on my face? o.k then.. lol..but when I stood up, I felt VERY relaxed and a little lightheaded..going in, tbh, I didn't even know what it was really, so it was more then placebo..

 

Can someone tell me ... Is this the same as "neurological chiropractic"?

We have a place just opened in a town about 40 minutes away who say they are neuro chiro's. Same thing?

 

I tried CST 4 times. Whilst I felt relaxed on the table, I cant say that it made an impact either way on the way I perceive the loudness/quality of my t. I have also given acupuncture with a good go, and didn't feel any benefit other than relaxation from that. I have also received 3 tmj intraoral treatments for suspected tmj dysfunction...again, relaxing but no significant impact on the t. currently I am doing hypno...that is the most successful treatment for me so far...the expectation isn't to cure but to desensitize me to the sound...which to me is as good as a cure!

 

I am going in for another session today , if I get this insanse spike again then I am on to something for sure.
I have tried lots of things , never had such a strong correlation , however it was only once and could be a fluke.
Kind of interesting as I have always had a gut feeling that my T was in some way connected to my jaw.

 

Has anyone ever bought Julian Cowan Hill's book? Booked any sessions with him?

Looks accurate in that I believe my tinnitus was initially caused by extreme adrenaline / stress, but would love to hear your thoughts and opinions before booking some sessions with him.

Cheers

 

Ive met the guy ,totally well meaning. he has to lipread as he is very deaf had very bad tinnitus for 15 years.
,,,and how decent he is is this.When i told him i know a lot about chi kung he said dont go to him for his treatments do chi kung for 30 minutes a day. He did treat me twice i think he uses cranial work to ease the adrenaline in the body.

Although I genuinly believe he is well meaning I reckon you will need many treatments and still get nowehere.....but hey.......

 

Thank you carlover for your reply I spoke to him over the phone and seems like a genuine and nice guy. But I'm quite skeptical that the treatments he offers work. Argh if only I had all the money in the world to try every treatment option available !!

 

I had two sessions in the past weeks. The treatments felt like... nothing. The guy was more or less holding my head with very subtle movements in different areas. I am not saying this treatment can't help people, but I was not impressed.

 

Found this latest video from Julian Cowan Hill

Stop telling people there is no cure for tinnitus!

 

Hi Carlover, so why you're no longer going to him?
Is he in London?

 

I tried craniosacral osteopathy two times. It felt useless to me. Waaay too soft manipulation to have any effect imho...

 

I may be fortunate enough to film an interview with Julian Cowan Hill in a couple of weeks on behalf of the tinnitus community. If you have any questions, please post them here. I may include them.

Here is Julian with a note to all Health Care Practitioners re t:

Stop telling people there is no cure for tinnitus!

Interview would be on his work with t and the central nervous system.

 

Hi Lisa

Ive seen quite a few videos of this guy and I really believe that theres a lot of truth to what he says.. Im no TRT expert, but I think some of what he explains has been included in most TRT protocols a long time ago Especially the link between the nervous system and the perception of this sound. @Dr. Nagler probably knows a lot about this

And I do agree that the health community has to take tinnitus seriously. Ive been fortunate though except from ENTs (which is probably one of the first "specialists" one would seek out for tinnitus), and I found that a little sad. I dont think words like "Deal with it", "Just live with it", "Stop complaining", "You are exacerbating, everyone has this" and "Theres nothing we can do" will calm down the nervous system of any tinnitus sufferer. At least it didnt in my case

Regarding craniosacral therapy, Im not really a believer though, and to my knowledge, theres some serious lack of evidence that it will have any impact on the cerebrospinal fluid flow which some therapists claim, but this is just my personal openion though.. Maybe someone had success with it for all I know..

Thanks for sharing btw, and please share the interview

 

Julian also changed his diet, cut out processed foods, containing MSG etc, and ate natural , home cooked meals, as well as having CST.

He does not claim that CST cures tinnitus, but helps to calm the nervous system, which can contribute to easing tinnitus, he said that anything that calms the nervous system can help, like Tai Chi and Yoga.

I think he took a holistic approach and lifestyle changes, getting plenty of sleep, not worrying about things, and somehow his brain seems to have reverted back into a non-tinnitus state. He says he gets it briefly (a few seconds, and hardly noticeable), when he gets a cold. He is not completely deaf. He has some hearing in one ear.

He says it is not just habituation, he says his T has gone and he is now able to tolerate caffeine, alcohol and chocolate etc again. I am wondering if he has somehow managed to reset those excitable auditory neurons with his approach, especially, chemically - i.e. natural diet balancing calcium and sodium and potassium etc and controlling anxiety hormones i.e. cortisol and adrenaline.

We all hope for a medication to do this for us, but I wonder if the body can achieve it itself given the right conditions?

 

@Lisa88
Hi All,
Would be nice to know what he means by his T gone. Is it really gone or is it just habituated for him..and how loud intrusive was his T. and would he be happy to do a freebie on someone form TT as an experiment - I would like to volunteer please as I have no money to go to him. This experiment (with me?) could him bring him big business or much more business and advertising and profit so could be a win win for him. My T is new so I may be a very good candidate for him. Can we ask him that please as well as the other query above re has it gone for real.

But surely if it or he or his method should I say is genuine, he would not be a pure profit from it organisation but would genuinely want to help fellow sufferers as well as make a living so - in the words of @Dr Nagler, there are some practioners who will offer their services free or reduced or on a payment system to those who genuinely do not have the financial means to pay. Would he do this for me please - and he can do it on skype from what I have understood..I would follow to the T (no pun intentional LOL!) all his instructions if i could get rid of this cos it has stopped my life completely.....so change of diet, mentality whatever is needed..
@carlover
How do we find out about CHI KUNG and obviously it did not work then? Or you would not have gone to him..

 

The interviews I did with him are now up. Just go to youtube to learn more. Yes, his severe t has completely gone after 20 years. He hears complete silence. It comes back sometimes momentarily if he has a cold. He has treated many patients like himself. He is so genuine. I would suggest emailing him. He really wants to help, and is so troubled by health practitioners and individuals on forums that give no hope. Please hang in there. You seem very new to t. It does get better. Don't base your suffering on these first few months. The central auditory nervous system and central nervous system are so intertwined. If you work on calming the CNS, things are likely to improve.
p.s. This is not just about craniosacral therapy. He talks of many different ways to help.

 

That's exactly what he achieved, imo. Anybody with intrusive tinnitus has out of whack increased brain rhythms (called thalamocortical dysrhythmia or tcd). If you can get the brain to reset itself back to pre-T brain activity, the tinnitus will be gone or close to gone (depending on how much the nervous system was able to calm down this overactivity -(delta,alpha, beta, gamma, theta waves)
This tcd brain wave theory has been proposed by brain researcher Dr.Llinas, and is one of the leading tinnitus theories today (still a theory just like all).

 

Thank you Dan for the more technical explanation.

 

Thank you so much Lisa for doing the interviews with Julian and posting them on Youtube. I have been checking and hoping regularly for more posts from him on Youtube.

 

Does anyone have the correct YouTube links?

 

Here you go. It's the first five videos
Julian Cowan Hill videos

 

I found a gradual cure without really understanding how tinnitus works. People often find a way of getting better without understanding. But now, having worked with over 600 people with tinnitus over the last 15 years I feel I have started to understand something about this condition. I have had a lot of good results and have a sense of why a lot of people get better. When I got better I vowed to myself to help others. I work very much from the - if I can do it, then others may be able to do it - perspective.

wow - sorry if I gave you the impression of pushing you away.

Body-based practice can be very helpful in letting go of tinnitus. On top of that Craniosacral therapy drops the system into stillness and helps us release and let go far more than we can do alone.

I have noticed that if tinnitus people practice both a body-based therapy and have craniosacral therapy as well they tend to make good progress.

Being with someone who knows this condition can get better is also a great placebo effect to have as square one.

Getting to a place where you are not aware of your tinnitus unless you focus on it is good progress. I often describe this as being able to feel your socks. You haven't noticed them all day but if someone had asked you to feel them you probably could have done. But it doesn't matter.

I find when we spend longer periods of time where we have forgotten about it, this is when the sound of tinnitus tends to back right down. It stops mattering. This makes it easier to ignore. Because it is no longer a threat we stop reacting to it and our system stops latching onto it. A positive loop starts and we find tinnitus backing right off.

I can offer skype sessions if need be. Contact me on julian@cst.eu.com if you are interested.

Also you could look up this link:
https://www.craniosacraltherapy.org/practitioner-referral
for practitioners of CST in N America.

There a loads of people like me who used to have tinnitus. You just don't hear from them because they don't go around saying "Hi. My name is John. I used to have tinnitus." When you get over it, you stop talking about it and move on. I am not one in a million. There are probably millions like me. Tinnitus is frequently a stress-based symptom. When stress backs off people get better.

Craniosacral therapy, psychotherapy, mediation, and diet all played an important part in my getting better. After 20 years of symtoms this was very welcome!

The reason this cure is not making headlines around the world is because it is not a quick fix, or a pill to pop. Craniosacral therapy like most therapies helps people gradually come out of a state of overwhelm and settle. This is a gradual cure that takes time, effort and commitment to benefit from. Most people are quite avoidant when it comes to working on themselves.

Last year my statistics were:
In 2013 Julian took on 21 new clients with tinnitus.
2 clients reported that the tinnitus stopped after one session.
8 clients experienced tinnitus becoming significantly quieter during some of their sessions.
4 clients said their tinnitus became significantly quieter in EVERY cranial session.
14 clients said that their tinnitus was overall significantly better after a course of craniosacral therapy.
4 clients reported no improvement with tinnitus, but found the sessions relaxing and beneficial in other ways.
The average number of sessions attended by this group was 5.

Is this enough to make the headlines?

Important progress tends to happen gradually over a period of months.

Curetinnitus.org and I fell out of touch for various reasons years ago. I still work full-time as a therapist. Dainis who set it up was very well-meaning and we put a lot of videos out there to help people get helpful information in a sea of negativity.

and craniosacral therapy can tune directly into the tissues that are literally buzzing with activation and help them settle...

When I walked in front of a loud speaker at the Notting Hill Carneval I damaged my right ear and became severely deaf. Having cured my tinnitus for a decade or so it came back moderately again. However 6 weeks later it was gone. So I have had stress induced tinnitus and noise induced tinnitus.
Working with the central nervous system directly causes things to change. Using models like the flight or fight response can be ways of helping people understand quite specific processes.
The vast majority of my 600 plus clients had stress induced tinnitus. Loud noise is a very common cause too. But it is the central nervous system that manages what happens to tinnitus later. Whether we like it or not our beliefs and the way we manage our central nervous system have a huge impact on what happens to tinnitus.
In my mind the hardest thing to change in a typical tinnitus person is their fixed ways of thinking. Everything is plastic and changeable underneath.

The Psychobabble that people tell themselves in their own heads is very influential.

In 2013 Julian took on 21 new clients with tinnitus.

2 clients reported that the tinnitus stopped after one session.

8 clients experienced tinnitus becoming significantly quieter during some of their sessions.

4 clients said their tinnitus became significantly quieter in EVERY cranial session.

14 clients said that their tinnitus was overall significantly better after a course of craniosacral therapy.

4 clients reported no improvement with tinnitus, but found the sessions relaxing and beneficial in other ways.


The average number of sessions attended by this group was 5.

Why don't you learn a body-based practice like tai chi or yoga. That is cheap and can help long-term.

I also have experienced my tinnitus backing off with craniosacral therapy during the session. The first time I tried it, my tinnitus of 20 years changed like the practitioner was tuning my head like a transistor radio. This rocked my world! When I work with clients as a craniosacral therapist this sometimes happens too. Craniosacral therapy helped me more than anything else.

My nervous system is calm these days. I was a bit of an oversensitive nervous fearful wreck for the first 30 years of my life! Therapy has definitely been the main helper for this.

While we are all waiting for the magic pill to pop, good therapy work helps a lot over time.

My tinnitus has gone. It comes back a bit when I get a cold. I do offer concessionary rates for those struggling.

 

This seems a very important theory in the world of tinnitus, and one that is well connected to the central nervous system and overfiring neurons. My delta waves definitely seem to be lacking since my t onset. Brainwave entrainment and the like might be one of the ways forward.

 

Had it, tried it, waste of time, makes him and others a good living though. I used to fall asleep having mine done. Save your cash. If you want to try something even more bizarre waste your cash on the Bowen technique, now that is funny, how I did not laugh myself to a cure was unreal.

 

My T is nothing like this. My T is constant and does not change if I clench/push/whatever, I think it was brought on by Epstein-Barr virus. I don't believe I have any hearing loss either. Hopefully the virus symptoms pass and so does the tinnitus...

 

I did find a quick session quite relaxing but it seemed to have suddenly provoked tinnitus in my left ear where it was just silent or not very noticeable.

Anyone ever have that happen where it has gotten worse after a treatment?

 

I reckon if you're going to try these therapies you can't expect instant results need many sessions

Me? weekly sacral therapy for 6 months, 2 x 6 month goes with two different cranial osteopaths, don't ask how much this all cost on top of everything else tinnitus has cost me probably 5 figures........

Still on the tinnitus forum...

 

Yeah ...I found the "benefit" was just taking time out and relaxing a bit .
This cranial stuff is pretty much a ripoff , I was expecting my head to be massaged or something but it was just ..mumbo jumbo - almost touching my head - overlaying of hands .

Of course I fooled myself into believing it was doing "something" for a while.

 

The issue I have is it proved a negative effect as soon as I did it, not sure what exactly it did but I now have much worse T than I used to and after 48 hours not too much has changed.

I could stand it when it wasn't ringing even with music or stuff on but this just made it worse.