Craniosacral Therapy (Julian Cowan Hill, etc.)

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    1. Tha_b_man

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    2. Tha_b_man

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      Geez, not one comment??? Not only do I have tinnitus, now I feel like a loser as well. :cry: :)
       
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    3. joe

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      I do rate Julian Cowan Hill, and his ability of overcoming his own Tinnitus, I would wish for us all to overcome it including yourself mate. Give it a go if you live in the london Area, and post on here you're experience, thats what I am doing with Mine, with some other treatment..:)
       
    4. Tha_b_man

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      I wasn't really looking at it from a treatment point of view as much as a understanding of where tinnitus originates and festers. Until we have a real understanding of the origin of tinnitus there can't be a cure,, right, maybe? Maybe I should have started this under general discussion, not treatment. My bad. Thanks for commenting though. I feel better now. Ha.
       
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    5. Karl

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      Excerpt from the Julian Cowan Hill webpage:
      "In this state, ears not only pick up external noise, but now, because they are registering more than normal, they start hearing the nervous impulses along the auditory nerve inside your head. In most cases, tinnitus is nothing more than hearing the noises of your nervous system. It results from hypersensitivity listening in to the inner world of the nervous system. You have become so reactive that you have begun to monitor the background nervous impulses that normally are ignored. People with tinnitus often spend months or years in a heightened state of nervous arousal, so that eventually their hearing becomes so sensitive they end up listening to nervous impulses all the time."

      Interesting. This seems to imply that "hearing" is not necessarily from just our ears, but how we interpret signals in our nervous system.

      The onset of my own Tinnitus started after a period of strong emotions/stress. This would support the statement about a "heightened stated of nervous arousal".

      I have never heard of "craniosacral therapy".
       
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    6. joe

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      Ok so describe your Tinnitus, is it a high pitched tone? Is it a buzzing? I believe the body can go into fight / flight mode so yes sensitive hearing could play a major part in Tinnitus
       
    7. carlover
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      I visited him twice a very well meaning guy.He is profoundly deaf and had really bad T for 16 years but its gone now.

      Thing is when he knew I knew a lot about Chi Kung(hadnt done it for years) he very sportingly said instead of spending money with me go away and do your chi kung every day for 30 mins and it will be better for your ears than I can achieve.
      All the best Pete
       
    8. carlover
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      Hi all ,I have met this guy a few times

      How to Let Go of Tinnitus by Julian Cowan Hill


      Hes a cranial osteopath and psychologist ,his hearing is so bad that he has to lip read but his bad tinnitus of 16 years was cured ,so why is the brain now not producing noise to combat his ear loss.????????????
       
    9. erik
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      erik Manager Staff Benefactor

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      04/15/2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      How cured is it? Sometimes I don't hear my T and I think I am cured but then I realize I haven't heard it and it magically appears. Maybe he's figured out the magical way to ignore his T permanently...which works for me.....
       
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    10. carlover
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      Hello Erik ,well he said to me it has completely gone ,now considering the guy Is profoundly deaf not to hear it is well fantastic.Has he trained his mind not to hear it ,I have to say i do not believe he meant it that way.

      Sounds like your doing ,great!! well as i type the TvIs on and also on is the Jet engine In my head.:mad:
       
    11. mick

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      I've checked this guy out before via his web site and other info on the web even though he 's way too far away for me to visit (across the Atlantic), and I was not too impressed with his theory then. However, after hearing him explain it as he does in this video, I must say that his explaination of tinnitus rings ;) true to me. His explaination about the nervous system being in hyper mode to the point that your hearing you're brain working (that's kind of what he said), fits my experience and how I feel to a T ;) (Alright, enough puns).

      I do have a high frequency hearing loss in the range of the frequency of my tinnitus which would support that theory of tinnitus, but I often wonder if it is a true hearing loss or whether its the tinnitus masking the external sound so it appears like a hearing loss in a hearing test. To me the sound I hear - or to be more precise, the sound that my brain senses - has always sounded like I've imagined the flow of electricity to sound. Maybe I make that association because the squealing sound I hear is exactly like I remember a failing vacuum tube in an old TV sounding. Now I'm showing my age. Probably many on this forum are too young to know what a vacuum tube is.

      If anyone knows of someone who practices Mr. Hill's brand of CST in mid-America, please post info.
       
    12. erik
      Breezy

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      I am skeptical about Julian Cowan Hill and others like him. They have been around for years, he is part of Curetinnitus.org which is a subscription based site and hasn't been updated in over a years so that can't be good. I know he claims to be completely cured of tinnitus and maybe he is that 1 in a million that it happened to but I doubt it was because of his methods. If his method was truly a "cure" or even a successful treatment, this would have made headlines throughout the world and we would all know about it.
       
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    13. Louise

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      I bouthg this book ages ago. Ive read most of it and it makes a lot of sense. Its explaining it in the same was as the Jastreboff Model really. Its about anxiety causing the hearing to become super-sensitive (as happens after hearing loss too). And about how to combat that anxiety.
       
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    14. erik
      Breezy

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      True Louise, this seems to be the best advice for T sufferers in general. Deal with the other issues surrounding your T and it will most likely make your life with T better. If you have extreme anxiety, depression, panic etc --treat it with meds and/or counseling and the T will improve. If you have some type of hearing loss, get some aids and most likely the T will improve. Mix in some "Time" and improvements should come.
       
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    15. Louise

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      Yes. Its saying though (as does Jastreboff) that the anxiety makes the hearing so sensitive that you hear the 'normal activity' the activity that was always there. He does make a lot of good points. I'll write some of what he says up on this post tomorrow.
       
    16. erik
      Breezy

      erik Manager Staff Benefactor

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      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Most likely hearing loss
      Anxiety is probably the worst part of T. It can make tinnitus dramatically worse-- causing heighten senses, pain and other physical symptoms. Maybe that is the diff between the 99% with T who don't have an issue with it and the 1% which do, the 99% don't have anxiety about their T.
       
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    17. Karl

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      I have the same feeling. But he is cured, which is great for him.

      I've always assumed there is an audiological defect that is starting the problem. From there, it becomes neurological.

      When some experts talk in psychological terms, about anxiety and "being too sensitive", it can get confusing for some of us. Fundamentally, tinnitus has got to be an audiological and neurological problem. Psycho-babble can generalize and group together a whole slew of mental conditions, swapping common terminologies that may not apply to tinnitus.

      Tinnitus isn't depression or anxiety, it's more complicated. I find it hard to believe that tinnitus can be caused by such things a guilt trips.
       
    18. erik
      Breezy

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      I agree Karl but I do think depression and anxiety are somehow tied into T in many cases. It seems like most have either one, or OCD issues with depression or anxiety. And I program and compose music....I am doomed!
       
    19. Cassidy
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      http://www.cst.eu.com/help.html

      Has anyone ever bought his book? Booked any sessions with him?

      Looks accurate in that I believe my tinnitus was initially caused by extreme adrenaline / stress, but would love to hear your thoughts and opinions before booking some sessions with him.

      Cheers :)
       
    20. carlover
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      Ive met the guy ,totally well meaning. he has to lipread as he is very deaf had very bad tinnitus for 15 years.
      ,,,and how decent he is is this.When i told him i know a lot about chi kung he said dont go to him for his treatments do chi kung for 30 minutes a day. He did treat me twice i think he uses cranial work to ease the adrenaline in the body.

      Although I genuinly believe he is well meaning I reckon you will need many treatments and still get nowehere.....but hey.......
       
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    21. Cassidy
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      Thank you carlover for your reply :) I spoke to him over the phone and seems like a genuine and nice guy. But I'm quite skeptical that the treatments he offers work. Argh if only I had all the money in the world to try every treatment option available !!:couchpotato:
       
    22. carlover
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    23. ItalianMan
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      Hi Carlover, so why you're no longer went by him?
      Is he in London ?
       
    24. Sound Wave
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      Sound Wave Member Benefactor Team Tech

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      12/2013
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      Probably headphones
      I tried craniosacral osteopathy two times. It felt useless to me. Waaay too soft manipulation to have any effect imho...
       
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    25. Lisa88

      Lisa88 Member

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      I may be fortunate enough to film an interview with Julian Cowan Hill in a couple of weeks on behalf of the tinnitus community. If you have any questions, please post them here. I may include them.

      Here is Julian with a note to all Health Care Practitioners re t:

      Stop telling people there is no cure for tinnitus!
       
    26. Lisa88

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      Interview would be on his work with t and the central nervous system.
       
    27. Mr. Cartman
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      Hi Lisa :)

      Ive seen quite a few videos of this guy and I really believe that theres a lot of truth to what he says.. Im no TRT expert, but I think some of what he explains has been included in most TRT protocols a long time ago :) Especially the link between the nervous system and the perception of this sound. @Dr. Nagler probably knows a lot about this :)

      And I do agree that the health community has to take tinnitus seriously. Ive been fortunate though except from ENTs (which is probably one of the first "specialists" one would seek out for tinnitus), and I found that a little sad. I dont think words like "Deal with it", "Just live with it", "Stop complaining", "You are exacerbating, everyone has this" and "Theres nothing we can do" will calm down the nervous system of any tinnitus sufferer. At least it didnt in my case :p

      Regarding craniosacral therapy, Im not really a believer though, and to my knowledge, theres some serious lack of evidence that it will have any impact on the cerebrospinal fluid flow which some therapists claim, but this is just my personal openion though.. Maybe someone had success with it for all I know.. :)

      Thanks for sharing btw, and please share the interview :)
       
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    28. Katkin

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      July 2013
      Julian also changed his diet, cut out processed foods, containing MSG etc, and ate natural , home cooked meals, as well as having CST. He does not claim that CST cures tinnitus, but helps to calm the nervous system, which can contribute to easing tinnitus, he said that anything that calms the nervous system can help, like Tai Chi and Yoga. I think he took a holistic approach and lifestyle changes, getting plenty of sleep, not worrying about things, and somehow his brain seems to have reverted back into a non-tinnitus state. He says he gets it briefly (a few seconds, and hardly noticeable), when he gets a cold. He is not completely deaf. He has some hearing in one ear. He says it is not just habituation, he says his T has gone and he is now able to tolerate caffeine, alcohol and chocolate etc again. I am wondering if he has somehow managed to reset those excitable auditory neurons with his approach, especially, chemically - i.e. natural diet balancing calcium and sodium and potassium etc and controlling anxiety hormones i.e. cortisol and adrenaline. We all hope for a medication to do this for us, but I wonder if the body can achieve it itself given the right conditions?
       
    29. amandine

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      @Lisa88
      Hi All,
      Would be nice to know what he means by his T gone. Is it really gone or is it just habituated for him..and how loud intrusive was his T. and would he be happy to do a freebie on someone form TT as an experiment - I would like to volunteer please as I have no money to go to him. This experiment (with me?) could him bring him big business or much more business and advertising and profit so could be a win win for him. My T is new so I may be a very good candidate for him. Can we ask him that please as well as the other query above re has it gone for real.

      But surely if it or he or his method should I say is genuine, he would not be a pure profit from it organisation but would genuinely want to help fellow sufferers as well as make a living so - in the words of @Dr Nagler, there are some practioners who will offer their services free or reduced or on a payment system to those who genuinely do not have the financial means to pay. Would he do this for me please - and he can do it on skype from what I have understood..I would follow to the T (no pun intentional LOL!) all his instructions if i could get rid of this cos it has stopped my life completely.....so change of diet, mentality whatever is needed..
      @carlover
      How do we find out about CHI KUNG and obviously it did not work then? Or you would not have gone to him..
       
    30. Lisa88

      Lisa88 Member

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      The interviews I did with him are now up. Just go to youtube to learn more. Yes, his severe t has completely gone after 20 years. He hears complete silence. It comes back sometimes momentarily if he has a cold. He has treated many patients like himself. He is so genuine. I would suggest emailing him. He really wants to help, and is so troubled by health practitioners and individuals on forums that give no hope. Please hang in there. You seem very new to t. It does get better. Don't base your suffering on these first few months. The central auditory nervous system and central nervous system are so intertwined. If you work on calming the CNS, things are likely to improve.
      p.s. This is not just about craniosacral therapy. He talks of many different ways to help.
       
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