Head-Mounted Device for Motion Sickness Reduces Tinnitus

Discussion in 'Research News' started by nicole76, Aug 16, 2019.

    1. bmguitar

      bmguitar Member

      Location:
      New Zealand
      Tinnitus Since:
      2008, 2015, 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma x 3
      I have come across with a Korean YouTube channel that sells a medical ultrasonic device (plus TENS and other functionalities, like one of those you find at physiotherapy clinics) and they claim to reverse many health conditions, including tinnitus, with hundreds of testimonials.

      Obviously they are trying to sell the device and you cannot always fully trust these kinds of claims, but the testimonials seemed somewhat genuine and thought it might have actually worked at least for some people if not all, so I ordered a small ultrasonic device online like the one in the link you posted.

      The device I saw on YouTube uses 1.2MHz ultrasound and maximum power of 9W (but they use the device on level 3 out of 10, so maybe 3W-ish?), but the one I bought is 1MHz (with possibly lower wattage) as I couldn't find any device that uses 1.2MHz. I doubt the Otolith's device actually goes up that high as it is a "vibration" device.

      Will update once I receive the device, but I'm not expecting it to work like magic.

      For anyone out there who's willing to try this, you need to constantly move the device and not point at the same spot for too long as it can cause burn or damage. Also use gel.
       
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    2. Piney

      Piney Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      March 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Shingles virus
      Awesome, let us know.
       
    3. dd314

      dd314 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud noise, antibiotics, anxiety/stress
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    4. Vicious99

      Vicious99 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      7 years
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Age related hearing loss
    5. Hammers

      Hammers Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/19
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma: Too close to fireworks with no protection.
      "You will be compensated for your participation" so for time, yes, travel expenses, no.
       
    6. Chriscom

      Chriscom Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Northern Virginia USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Likely infection/ear stress after walking pneumonia
      "You will be compensated for your participation in the study."

      Though I communicated with the company earlier this year, I didn't receive that email. I did click on the form link above and submitted (it's very short) and it said I was a good candidate and would receive an invite. Still not sure I want to participate, hoping to find out a little bit more about it. And yes I live in the DC area.

      The questions, I gather for exclusion, were about things like head trauma, age (I'm close to the upper limit of 65+), and a rare condition whose name I can't recall.
       
    7. Lilah
      Bashful

      Lilah Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
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    8. ChrisBoyMonkey

      ChrisBoyMonkey Member Podcast Patron

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
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    9. Piney

      Piney Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      March 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Shingles virus
      This week I participated in the testing of this device. Unfortunately I didn’t report any change while wearing the device, they did have a software issue when I put the headset on which I emailed them back on. I couldn’t feel the device vibrating or anything so who knows. We’ll see what they come back with. My tinnitus is from hearing loss, I'll keep trying to work on this.
       
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    10. ACG
      Studious

      ACG Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Not Sure
      Thanks for sharing your experience!
       
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    11. ALBERTO BARRIAL

      ALBERTO BARRIAL Member

      Location:
      Miami Florida
      Tinnitus Since:
      2003
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Worked with loud machines for 40 years...
       
    12. Ozwel
      Disappointed

      Ozwel Member

      Location:
      Paris, FR
      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Auditive trauma
      Will be interesting to know if your device was working fine. I’ll stay tuned around here for some time :)
       
    13. Chriscom

      Chriscom Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Northern Virginia USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Likely infection/ear stress after walking pneumonia
      I participated in the current Otolith trial at a Washington, D.C. location today. Headline: It didn't help me, but the guy running the test said it had helped some.

      • Notably, he said the company had attended some local (Northern Virginia) meeting this week, and they tested it on 10 people, two of which said it helped. In one case, the subject said it produced a mild reduction in tinnitus, and my Otolith tester didn't know how weak or strong the result was with the other one.
      • They are still recruiting and very early in their planned run of 100 test subjects. Two people who'd signed up were no-shows today, so if you're interested and I suppose especially if you're local, sign up.
      • We did a tinnitus test with different settings and a longer motion-sickness test. As stated, it didn't affect my tinnitus at all, although we experienced device issues as similarly related by Piney above. With the first tinnitus run, I didn't feel any vibration but heard a kind of high-pitched whine, at different levels. When we did the virtual reality motion sickness, it was a completely different experience--no whine, and I definitely felt vibration at different levels of intensity. When I mentioned this, we decided to do the tinnitus-only test again [the tester had made a calibration after the first tinnitus test when I used the restroom]. Same result though: Didn't make it better, or worse.
      • I am still feeling a little bit nauseous an hour after the visit, though certainly better than immediately afterwards. No feeling of discomfort with tinnitus-only test, but the virtual reality headset definitely had its effect on me, eventually. You can stop it at any time and I was probably trying to tough it out a little bit more than necessary.
      • To be clear, at no time did I feel like I was going to throw up or anything--they really do not want you to feel super uncomfortable, they say stop the virtual reality display as soon as you feel anything other than verrry mildly not perfect. It didn't help in my case that I usually have a snack around that time and constantly drink fluids, neither one of which I was doing at the time.
      • The virtual reality view is sort of a white donut shape and scores of white and blue blocks grouped around it that slowly zoom in and out. The focus wasn't that great but he said this wasn't super important.
      • The test was conducted in a shared workspace office, a brand name many would recognize. The glass-walled cubicle we tested in was tiny and just big enough for two people to sit across each other at a table.
      • When I called to confirm I was arriving, I received a weird answer on the phone that made me unsure I had the right number-"Is this Otolith" - "Yeah." -- that sort of thing. This might have been the shared workspace receptionist; the fellow who ran the test was very kind and conversational. I enjoyed meeting him and he was pleasant to be with.
      • Oh, and I got a $100 Visa debit gift card.
      • Forgot to mention: He was aware of one other subject who wasn't helped who, like me, also had and acquired tinnitus after walking pneumonia, though I don't know if that is significant with a small sample size.

      I apologize for the length, I do go on. Ask any questions and I'll answer as best I can. He said I could share all this with the forum.
       
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    14. Lilah
      Bashful

      Lilah Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I participated in the trial today. No impact on my tinnitus. The device was working fine I believe (I felt the vibrations). Pretty much everything I experienced with the testing is described by @Chriscom above. With the vertigo portion, I stopped when I felt slightly uncomfortable at each run, so I didn't get to the point where I was dizzy.
       
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    15. Chriscom

      Chriscom Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Northern Virginia USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Likely infection/ear stress after walking pneumonia
      Thanks for going & updating us. This may be a good time for me to say I completely recovered from any feeling of slight nausea or dizziness (dizziness is too strong a word for me but I can't think of anything else) later on that evening, and I've faced no further issues since then.
       
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    16. Jacob Meyerkopf

      Jacob Meyerkopf Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Inflamation
      Hey Y'all,

      I've been looking into this device, and have a Phone Interview on Friday with the team developing it at Otolith Labs. I wanted to open it up to the community to see if anyone had questions they wanted answered. This could help guide the team's efforts to create the device with tinnitus sufferers in mind.

      Please, post your questions here, and I will integrate them into my interview. Thanks!
       
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    17. Mathieulh
      No Mood

      Mathieulh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Paris, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/24/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Chronic headphones use and acute noise induced trauma.
      This appears to be yet another palliative, money wasted, BS.

      We all know the only true treatment is to target the cause of tinnitus (some form of hearing loss for most cases), this goes through either:

      - Regeneration of the cochlea and its nerves/synapses (some drugs do exist that do just that, we just can't access any of them, go figure... The fact that we know, though actual studies, that these drugs are safe and yet not made available, despite the lack of existing treatment (and no, I don't count CBT/TRT/Habituation as "treatment"), is borderline criminal in my opinion, we need to wait until 2025+ for something that could be available now because of stupid bureaucracy).

      - Improved cochlear implants (the current ones rely on a late 50s technology that has, to this date, not been improved because the patents have not yet expired so there is no incentive to further research and development, just add some external bluetooth control module, do not change the underlying technology at all, and get an extension on the patent, yeah!).

      - Hearing aids that target high frequencies (that's not even currently a thing for some reason, if I had to guess it'd be profit related, heck high end headphones cost less than hearing aids do and cover the entire human hearing spectrum, is there a technical reason hearing aids should be any different?).

      Everything else is a waste of time and money that could be invested elsewhere (into actual, useful research).
       
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    18. Tybs

      Tybs Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fall from stairs
      I tend to disagree. While I fully support the statement that the focus of research and treatment for tinnitus should be on the possible causes, a (working) device that eliminates tinnitus while wearing it would bring great relief for sufferers in the meantime. Sure, the device is not an actual "cure" in itself, but if it grants someone the choice of having silence for some periods of the day, then it makes the condition less difficult to life with while science is catching up.
       
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    19. Tybs

      Tybs Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fall from stairs
      My question: does it affect all cases of T, or only a subset?
       
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    20. Mathieulh
      No Mood

      Mathieulh Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Paris, France
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/24/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Chronic headphones use and acute noise induced trauma.
      Does it though? Most people seem to report no improvement/change whatsoever.
       
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    21. Tybs

      Tybs Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fall from stairs
      That's with Lenire. To my knowledge, the head device in this topic has not been reviewed by members of Tinnitus Talk.
       
    22. Chriscom

      Chriscom Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Northern Virginia USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Likely infection/ear stress after walking pneumonia
      If you look just a few posts up, you'll find my detailed post about trying the device; it did not ease my tinnitus, and fellow community member Lilah said it didn't help her either.

      The Otolith employee who conducted the test on me said it had helped some; details in my Jan. 23 post. It's only like seven posts up from yours.
       
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    23. Tybs

      Tybs Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Fall from stairs
      Ah, I missed that one. My bad: thx for the heads up :)

      You mention an infection as the primary suspect for your tinnitus. How likely would you consider hearing loss to play a role as well?
       
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    24. Chriscom

      Chriscom Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Northern Virginia USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Likely infection/ear stress after walking pneumonia
      Major likelihood. I had hearing loss and tinnitus basically diagnosed at the same time. This followed my recovery from very severe walking pneumonia. My two ENTs said we'll never know for sure, but it was likely associated with that.
       
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    25. lymebite
      Vegged out

      lymebite Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      United States
      Tinnitus Since:
      2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      For anyone in the Washington, DC area, Sam Owen from Otolith will be the guest speaker at the next ATA patient support group meeting on 19 March 2020.

      More details:

      https://dcareatinnitus.blogspot.com/
       
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