Learn from Others' Mistakes

Discussion in 'Support' started by Bill Bauer, Jun 3, 2018.

    1. Tinker Bell

      Tinker Bell Member Hall of Fame

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      SSHL from virus
      Yes, that’s clear. If he did then he’d realize the poster he selectively quoted and I referenced recently posted a positive story. Or that her posting history even includes a case of her tinnitus changing for really no reason at all.

      When we are busy worrying about sound exposure, we sometimes overlook that tinnitus can change for any reason or no reason at all. Viruses, allergies, even ear wax can play a part.

      You could live the rest of your life in a quiet house avoiding any noise above 60dB and still end up with worse tinnitus.
       
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    2. Chris Holland
      Movie buff

      Chris Holland Member

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      Note that there are 400 million people with some form of T and yet you can quote only 6 anecdotally.
       
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    3. Chris Holland
      Movie buff

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      LMAO :p
       
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    4. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      You keep saying that, and yet now the first post has the following ratings:
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      Most of the posts you had ever made on this forum can be replaced with the post below. Right?
      If I were you, I wouldn't be talking about "garbage threads." I am just saying.
       
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    5. Alvise
      Lurking

      Alvise Member

      Location:
      Mirano (VE)
      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acustic Trauma in childhood with onset after 26 years
      Am I to consider "new"? Have it since 02/20/2017.
      Dunno. I still find hard to go hear some noises, they are clearly able to hurt my ears.
      But I'm learning to live with it. Maybe I am doing a mistake and I should do something to fix this problem.
      I decided to just leave the time pass and concentrate myself on the family. Hope I made right choice.
       
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    6. Tinker Bell

      Tinker Bell Member Hall of Fame

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      02/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      SSHL from virus
      I was told by multiple ear specialists — including one who closely followed and participated in research — that hyperacusis at the onset of tinnitus is typical and usually fades within six months to a year.

      Obviously that is not the case for everyone, the doctors said that was only for typical cases. But for the purposes of our understanding of the role of hyperacusis with spikes, we should consider anyone who has had hyperacusis for longer than a year as not new to it.

      Which is why it would be helpful if Bill would provide data rather than quotes alone.
       
    7. New Guy
      Doh

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      I can't wait for that day to come!
       
    8. Jcb
      No Mood

      Jcb Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      December 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      possible TMJ, came on after severe cold and chest infection,
      So many people in their feelings in this thread..... considering this is meant to be a support forum there is a lot of personal insults and subtle shade towards each other even from the “overly postive gang” :LOL::ROFL:
       
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    9. Jcb
      No Mood

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    10. vermillion
      Whistles

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    11. Jcb
      No Mood

      Jcb Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      December 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      possible TMJ, came on after severe cold and chest infection,
      I second that my friend.
       
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    12. cspc
      Studious

      cspc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      One ear was exposed to more noise that the other (maybe the speakers where to the side of the affected ear, car horns on that side, ambulance sirens, or even firecrackers). I started having T in one ear (right ear) and then got it on the other. Most of the time one ear at a time rings louder than the other due to the nostril breathing cycle. I hope you get better.
       
    13. AUTHOR
      AUTHOR
      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      It is turning out to be a busy summer. So if anyone else wants to collect that data, they are very welcome to do that.
       
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    14. Dem

      Dem Member

      Location:
      PL
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      11/11/17
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Currently - Concert 2012-2016 H - virus
      But remember guys that it can take way longer- my first H vanished after 4-5 years(for T it was about 6 months) but i was wrong thinking that everything was ok with my hearing after that- even when you will be finally cured from T and H, and whole world will sound amazing just remember that your ears are damaged anyway and you can end up with way worse condition if you will expose yourself to loud but safe for most of normal people levels of noise.

      And my first problems weren't caused by acoustic trauma- i don't think it matters what caused damage to your ears, damage done is done.
       
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    15. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      May I ask you to please share what had happened to you?
       
    16. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
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      Acoustic Trauma
      Were you wearing earplugs at the concert where you got your latest acoustic trauma? Have you experienced any fading since you have had that new trauma?
       
    17. Dem

      Dem Member

      Location:
      PL
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      11/11/17
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Currently - Concert 2012-2016 H - virus
      I see that you have found my previous post with explanation of my case.
      Sadly i was on this concert without any protection.
      After first three months my ears "stabilised", driving two hours stopped making my T spike, disacusis changed from "overdrive" sound to "high pitches are amplified 10x". Ears are still getting full after moderate noise exposition, and i fell presence of ETD, ears are cracking and felling like there is some glue in eustachian tubes. T level is same, but it's least bothering thing at this moment- just low, easy to mask white noise sound, i will probably stay at this level, im just afraid of making it worse.

      Only improvement i see today is H on left side getting better- now i'm able to drive without plug in that ear and even with music on.
      I'm not sure if case of it is that i was wearing plug in that ear as infrequently as possible, because ear canal was strongly irritated by plug or because that ear was somehow less damaged(T is mostly in right ear, just like in 2012).


      Ouh, and i'm experiencing fleeting tinnitus less frequently than before.
       
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    18. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      Is it the case that concerts/recitals are as loud as a street in a sleepy town or as the inside of a car?
       
    19. Tinker Bell

      Tinker Bell Member Hall of Fame

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      It depends on the concert, recital, town and car. I have been to several quiet recitals, and I have ridden in several very loud cars.

      Have you ever been to a concert or dance recital?

      Honestly, the symphony performance I saw a few months ago was quieter than my last flight.
       
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    20. Tinker Bell

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      Then what was the point of the quotes? I thought we were supposed to learn from them? Without knowing the individual circumstances, all we can do is make assumptions.
       
    21. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      February, 2017
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      Acoustic Trauma
      I don't have any memories talking about dance recitals. I remember advising people against attending concerts (even with earplugs). I think any orchestra has a lot of potential to play loud music.
       
    22. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      Acoustic Trauma
      The quotes are as useful as reading the posts on this forum. What having those quotes did was to place a number of related posts conveniently into one place.
       
    23. Tinker Bell

      Tinker Bell Member Hall of Fame

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      02/2017
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      SSHL from virus
      Yes, that’s why the doctors said typically. Your hyperacusis is not typical if you unfortunately still have it.
       
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    24. Tinker Bell

      Tinker Bell Member Hall of Fame

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      02/2017
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      SSHL from virus
      There was a member who wanted to attend a dance recital. @AZeurotuner mentioned your interactions with the poster.

      You also said concert/recital above. In my experience, there is a significant difference between concerts and recitals. Recitals can be dance or instruments, concerts can cover a wide range too.

      You make a lot of assumptions about environments you have never been in. I recall your comments recommending a member not attend a wedding, yet you have never been to one. If you had, you would have a better idea of how they can vary. You used quotes on that thread, too. Only to have the quoted members chime in and say they were okay.

      We should learn from others, but I prefer to learn directly from the source rather than second hand assumptions.
       
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    25. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
      No Mood

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      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      I was responding to AZ's post that mentioned "a recital."
       
    26. Tinker Bell

      Tinker Bell Member Hall of Fame

      Location:
      U.S.
      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      SSHL from virus
      It was a dance recital.
       
    27. AZeurotuner

      AZeurotuner Member Benefactor

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      Tucson, AZ
      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      A quote from said thread where you wish the kid would have a permanent increase. For being a Marijuana "junkie" (remember when you called me that?), I have quite a good memory.
       
    28. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
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      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      I stand by my comment. The context of all of those messages is that for many months he would mention taking risks and getting spikes as a result. Then he posted the following (he was the one who bolded some of the text below)
      Since I was/am convinced that being exposed to 90 dB for over an hour is a big risk for a T sufferer, I wanted to convey this to him in a way that would get his attention. I also Sincerely mean/meant it: "Risk-takers" WOULD be better off in the long run if they were to have a constant reminder that would help them to not be tempted to do dumb stuff. Without such a reminder, they might keep taking risks and then they might end up with a much Louder constant reminder.
       
    29. Ed209

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      90db, with plugs, is far from what I’d consider a big risk. It’s about as risky as watching TV without plugs.
       
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    30. AUTHOR
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      Bill Bauer
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      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
       
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