Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Tinnitus Talk, Apr 20, 2019.

    1. Tinniger

      Tinniger Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Germany
      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Uncertain, now very somatic, started with noise?
      The first review has been published:
      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/lenire-—-user-experiences-and-reviews.35776/

      I find two things remarkable.

      1. Tonality, cause of tinnitus, somatic or non-somatic, one ear or both don't matter.

      2. Redknight wrote: "My tinnitus tends to increase in volume as I introduce noise. As I sat there in a quiet booth, the tinnitus was barely a low hiss, but as the white noise was introduced my tinnitus ramped up, or at least my perception of it."

      My tinnitus reacts to white noise of a noiser of the hearing aid in the same way.
      Sometimes I can forget the tinnitus in a quiet environment, then a quiet! water pipe rushes in the house and it is fully present.

      I am therefore surprised that sufferers with a phenomenon that could be described either as "reactive tinnitus" or as hyperacusis are admitted to a therapy.
       
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    2. Chinmoku

      Chinmoku Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Started with a cold, possibly worsened by medication/noise
      Good point. I'm sensitive to sound on the left ear where the tinnitus is stronger. I find dishes and cutlery sounds annoying. But no pain. I am not sure this qualifies as hyperacusis though.
       
    3. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      Sure seems like hyperacusis to me.
       
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    4. annV
      Fine

      annV Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown - possibly hereditary
      Sounds to me more like misophonia than hyperacusis. Two different beasts.
       
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    5. Redknight

      Redknight Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Lisburn, N.Ireland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      It's not an exclusion criteria, if that's what you mean. I don't know whether it is a factor in how beneficial Lenire might be for you.
       
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    6. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      Not mutually exclusive. For instance, I am sensitive to high-frequency content (which developed immediately when I got tinnitus, I fully remember freaking out over the sound of a bus braking) but I also hate lip-smacking noisy eaters and knuckle-crackers.
       
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    7. spedgas
      Scared

      spedgas Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I have the same situation. In quiet rooms it’s there but at a lower volume. A high pitched tone with some low volume static. As soon as I introduce noise the high pitched tone increases in volume and is louder than the environmental sound. Driving, talking in crowds, and the shower all make it louder. It’s frustrating because masking is nearly impossible. I don’t even know how to refer to this phenomenon. “Reactive” tinnitus is often frowned upon as a label here. I don’t experience any fullness or pain with sound. Is there an accepted term for this type of tinnitus influenced by sound?
       
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    8. Skinjob
      Batty

      Skinjob Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      Early 90s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Bowie, The Chameleons, etc.
      From Neuromod's site:

      "To support commercialisation activities, Neuromod is investing in establishing the appropriate quality, regulatory and supply chain infrastructure to support near term European plans and lay the foundation for the Company’s US strategy."

      My guess is at the earliest, 2021 or 2022.

      I'm looking into cryonic suspension, so if I don't post for a while, I'll be in the freezer waiting for Neuromod or Dr Shore or UMinnesota's mSync device, whichever comes first. Sweet dreams. :cool:
       
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    9. spedgas
      Scared

      spedgas Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I certainly believe these are their goals. I think further releases are going to be as unpredictable as this first one.
       
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    10. Kam75

      Kam75 Member

      Location:
      FRANCE
      Tinnitus Since:
      2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced trauma in 2014 and 2019+ototoxic drug in 2020
      Salut cher compatriote, j'ai voulu t'envoyer un message privé mais je n'y arrive pas. Donc par respect pour les autres je vais répondre en anglais ;)

      So I wish you much courage, I've been having terrible tinnitus and hyperacusis for almost 6 months now because of a music festival. It's not easy at all to live with it, but let's hope that Lenire will work, it is currently our only hope.

      If you want to talk with a Frenchy who has the same condition, don't hesitate to send a message ;)
       
    11. Sevv

      Sevv Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      12.04.2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert
      To those who are part of the Lenire User Experience Group: It would be great if those of you who also have visual snow would tell us whether you had an improvement in visual snow symptoms thanks to Lenire.
       
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    12. Sam Bridge

      Sam Bridge Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music/gigs probably
      What's the cut off point in terms of hearing loss to qualify for this?

      Moderate/severe?
       
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    13. spedgas
      Scared

      spedgas Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      @Allan1967 If my math is correct this is your week. Thinking about you this week. I hope this sorts your tinnitus out.
       
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    14. Redknight

      Redknight Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Lisburn, N.Ireland
      Tinnitus Since:
      03/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      There is a very similar device coming to the market, but for visual snow, I agree it will be interesting to see if one or the other helps with the other condition.

      See attached;

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    15. Sevv

      Sevv Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      12.04.2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert
      Great, I wouldn't be mad to at least see normally without having to wait 10-15 years for the real deal... :angelic:
       
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    16. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      It impacted my visual snow.
       
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    17. F-u-T

      F-u-T Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      AZ USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trama
      In a positive way?
       
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    18. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      In what way?!
       
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    19. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
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    20. TheDanishGirl
      Sad

      TheDanishGirl Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Denmark
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
      And floaters also. Please report if Lenire made them better... That is if you have floaters of course.
       
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    21. ajc

      ajc Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
      You do know what floaters are right?

      Physical particles in the vitreous of the eye.

      No way a stimulation device like Lenire can fix them :) Needs surgery.
       
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    22. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      No impact on floaters. To be honest, I focus on mine all the time now. But it’s better than hearing a dental drill in your skull.
       
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    23. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      Significantly diminished. However, this happened in the last few months so it’s possible something else helped.
       
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    24. Harley

      Harley Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown
      It seems that lot of people with tinnitus also get visual snow..this can't be all just some kind of a coincidence.

      One would think, that if Tinnitus and visual snow are somehow related, decrease in tinnitus should also decrease the visual snow (at least in theory).
       
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    25. Alex Matyjasek
      Not amused

      Alex Matyjasek Member

      Location:
      Spain
      Tinnitus Since:
      8 September 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Stress? Who knows...
      I guess you had a very mild form of visual snow? You haven't shared this information till now.
       
    26. TheDanishGirl
      Sad

      TheDanishGirl Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Denmark
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
      Yes, I know, but some think there is a relation between tinnitus and floaters, so I have this small hope that treatment for tinnitus could maybe lower the appearance of them somehow... don't know if it's stupid, but I can't help to have to small hope that it would.
       
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    27. TheDanishGirl
      Sad

      TheDanishGirl Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      Denmark
      Tinnitus Since:
      05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
      Oh no, why? :( Has the device made some changes in the brain that now makes you more aware of them, or what?
       
    28. Bill Bauer
      No Mood

      Bill Bauer Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      February, 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma
      Correct me if I am wrong, but misophonia is when one is afraid of sound for no reason and hyperacusis is the actual discomfort as a result of seemingly minor noise. What he is describing seems to be closer to hyperacusis than to misophonia.
       
    29. annV
      Fine

      annV Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown - possibly hereditary
      Misophonia is characterized by intense emotion like rage or fear in response to highly specific sounds, particularly ordinary sounds that other people make. The cause is unknown.

      Phonophobia is a fear of loud sounds. Phonophobia is also called ligyrophobia. The name “Phonophobia” originates from the Greek words for sound and fear. Phonophobia is not a hearing disorder. Sudden loud and unexpected sound can cause anxiety attacks in a person who suffers from Phonophobia. People with Phonophobia may be fearful of devices that can suddenly emit loud sounds, such as alarms.

      Hyperacusis is a highly debilitating hearing disorder characterized by an increased sensitivity to certain frequencies and volume ranges of sound (a collapsed tolerance to usual environmental sound). A person with severe hyperacusis has difficulty tolerating everyday sounds, which become painful or loud.
       
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    30. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
      Tinnitus Since:
      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      @annV with the straight facts.
       
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