New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing

Discussion in 'Research News' started by Hudson, Jun 20, 2013.

    1. jay777

      jay777 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2017
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      benzo/ headphones
      I will second that.
       
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    2. alex01

      alex01 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      ear wax removal
      Do you think that the device will be worn in the same way by participants in the next trial? Or it depends how the patient can modulate his tinnitus?
       
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    3. canyonero

      canyonero Member

      Location:
      Eastern US
      Tinnitus Since:
      7/2014
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic Trauma?
      Sticking your jaw out was the most common way to change your tinnitus. It's most noticeable when my T is low.

      https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...-louder-when-you-move-your-jaw-forward.23317/
       
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    4. Samir
      Obedient

      Samir Manager Staff Benefactor

      Location:
      Sweden
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Accoustic trauma
      Yeah I do recall being able to change it by pushing my jaw forward, or side to side. The change is hardly noticeable these days, but there is definitely some somatic connection. But I was able to influence it more and notice the change more when this all started.

      I'm not sure how you qualify or quantify these things, in regards to the trial. Like I said, most people with tinnitus do have some somatic component to it. Even Susan Shore said something in one of the videos that up to 2/3 of tinnitus patients are able to modify their tinnitus in different ways, be it by moving your jaw, neck or pressing on some part of your face and so on.

      I feel like this should not be the deciding factor for whether or not you get into the trial or not. But I can understand why they would be interested primarily in people that can modify their tinnitus. They want to make sure that they target a very specific group of people in the initial stage of the trial, so that they can get unambiguous outcome measures and ensure commercial success. This reminds me of the way Spinraza is currently being administered to patients in Europe. Spinraza is a new medication for spinal muscular atrophy that's hyped up in media as this new revolutionary medicine with very high success rate, well over 80% as I recall. But patients that have breathing deficiencies from birth are not allowed to take part, because it has not been studied in these patients, even though there is scientific evidence that suggests that Spinraza would be effective in these patients as well. But in the next phase of the trial they may decide to include these patients as well. Sometimes, the commercial success of a new medication is more important than helping as many people as possible. If anything, desperate parents may be able to get the medication off label once it gets approved.
       
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    5. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      The reason is because they theorize if it is somatic in nature, part of the T runs through the DCN. The DCN is what this therapy influences. It would negatively bias the results to measure a therapy against something it is not intended to work for.
       
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    6. Annika1884

      Annika1884 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Dec
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Music
      Is there a chance that we could have this as a treatment option in 2020
       
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    7. threefirefour
      Peeping tom

      threefirefour Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      California
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      5/15/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      140dB B R U H moment
      Well Susan Shore has been saying "a couple of years" all year, and said in a livestream that 2020 is a reasonable date, so yeah.
       
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    8. housemzk

      housemzk Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 18, 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      concussions, wisdom teeth removal, neck, jaw, stress, noise?
      Received this earlier this afternoon from University of Michigan:
      Thank-you for your interest in our tinnitus device and upcoming clinical trial. The response to our publication in January 2018 was overwhelming. Thousands of tinnitus sufferers have taken the time to reach out, share your stories, and request information about our upcoming clinical trial.

      We are so grateful for your interest – you are the reason we're committed to developing clinically validated tools to treat tinnitus. Unfortunately, not everyone will be able to participate in our next clinical trial, but we want to stay in touch with you and keep you updated on our work.

      Our next clinical trial will be based in Ann Arbor, MI and will require participants to attend weekly appointments in SE Michigan for 4-6 months. If you live near Michigan or would be willing to travel here weekly for the period of the trial, please click here to share your contact information so that we can reach out to you when we begin recruiting patients in early fall 2018.

      If you are not located near Michigan or able to travel, we still want to keep in touch so we can update you on the team's progress and let you know if a device becomes commercially available. You can sign up for our newsletter at ArborTinnitus.com.

      Kind Regards,
      The Shore Lab
      University of Michigan
       
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    9. Ambassador
      Cool

      Ambassador Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      June 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      High frequency hearing loss and lifetime noise exposure
      I received the same email and responded and asked to be considered for the trial but I suspect they will be overwhelmed by volunteers. I think it's going to be a little like winning the lottery if you are selected to participate.
       
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    10. housemzk

      housemzk Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 18, 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      concussions, wisdom teeth removal, neck, jaw, stress, noise?
      Agreed. I'm ruling myself out, sadly, as there's no way I can fly back and forth to Michigan for 4 to 6 months.
       
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    11. Hania
      Hurting

      Hania Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      Got the same mail too. Won't participate because I live in Belgium..

      But guys I have a small question: won't this machine induce hyperacusis? It's roughly the same frequency and volume as your tinnitus they said.

      If it works, then I couldn't be more happy. The first treatment in human history to actually reduce tinnitus loudness.
       
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    12. Pero1234

      Pero1234 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      02/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      home theatre system + high pressure washer
      Also from Belgium @Hania and also rooting for this device.
       
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    13. Ambassador
      Cool

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      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      June 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      High frequency hearing loss and lifetime noise exposure
      I think this test will hopefully produce the results we all want but that remains to be seen. I'm an 8 hour drive away but would consider making the drive if that's what it takes but as I mentioned, the response has to be in the tens of thousands of people and the selected group is most likely going to be from their local area.
       
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    14. Anthonyr
      Wtf

      Anthonyr Member

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      This device will make them billions if they can pull it off. Keeping my fingers crossed.
       
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    15. Charbee
      Sunshine

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      Tinnitus Since:
      10/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Not 100% sure
      Fingers crossed :)
       
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    16. NoBigDeal

      NoBigDeal Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2010
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      loud music
      Where did you read that ?
      I asked on this forum some weeks ago which kind of sound was used in susan shore's therapy, and nobody had the response.
       
    17. Ambassador
      Cool

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      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      June 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      High frequency hearing loss and lifetime noise exposure
      It's more than just sound. Sound treatments, masking, notched, nature sounds and white noise have been around forever. They aren't a cure but help. There's some stimulation in addition to sound with the Shore device, I want to say Vagus nerve??
      The down side of this it that their research and this technique have been around for years and I can't imagine what miracle has happened to make this round of students different than previous years.
      I'm afraid this is just a teaching project that's destined for nowhere but having expressed all these negative thoughts I will remain optimistic and be part of it if they will have me.
       
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    18. Hania
      Hurting

      Hania Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic trauma
      LOL that being said in 2013
       
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    19. brummygirl
      Cheerful

      brummygirl Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      clenching jaw while weightlifting
      I received the email too. We are in the U.K. and so won't be volunteering to go at this stage.
      Clicked through, though, and I see that to date 75 people have volunteered. I am a little surprised the number is so low but it is early days yet, I guess.
       
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    20. threefirefour
      Peeping tom

      threefirefour Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      California
      Tinnitus Since:
      5/15/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      140dB B R U H moment
      Well this device is moderately low-key in the medical world and the requirements are extremely specific. Have to live around there or commute once a week, 6 months. I'm not surprised at all it's low.
       
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    21. ee9892

      ee9892 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Life
      Signed up for the trial with their new link. Im 40 minutes away from them so fingers crossed. Ill keep you all updated.

      Id imagine they start selecting people soon if they are kicking this off in August.
       
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    22. WaqasVic
      Artistic

      WaqasVic Member

      Location:
      Pakistan
      Tinnitus Since:
      01/2013
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      My T is way different than all of you , ask me how
      hey guys not to go out off topic but I got this mail... like 4 days ago:

      the-shore-lab@umich.edu
      12 May (5 days ago)
      to me

      Hello,

      We are reaching out because our previous email was not clear on how tos ubmit your information for interest in our study.

      For those of you who are able to come to Ann Arbor once a week for 6 months,please click here to set up a profile and register. Once your information has been received, and you qualify for further evaluation, you will be contacted by a study team member.

      Please note this a different link than the one provided in the previous email.
       
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    23. threefirefour
      Peeping tom

      threefirefour Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      California
      Tinnitus Since:
      5/15/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      140dB B R U H moment
      It's an email they sent us. Not off topic at all.

      Btw, who here plans on participating in the trials?
       
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    24. Ambassador
      Cool

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      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      June 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      High frequency hearing loss and lifetime noise exposure
      It's not up to show wants to do it, they will be selecting candidates and from the sound of it, they will be drawing from the people who are in their immediate area.
       
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    25. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      At this point it kind of is. There are not 1000s of people signing up to do these studies. If they are recruiting they are not getting the numbers they need. And it sounds like they are still a little short. Plus there is a high drop out rate. When you go in, and read the consent form, and they tell you there is a chance your T will be made permanently louder, it can sure scare you.

      Edit: for clarification I am in a similar trial based off the same research.
       
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    26. threefirefour
      Peeping tom

      threefirefour Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      California
      Tinnitus Since:
      5/15/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      140dB B R U H moment
      I know that but the more people on here who sign up with the intent to participate, the higher chances one of us has getting on the trial.
       
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    27. Ambassador
      Cool

      Ambassador Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      June 2015
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      High frequency hearing loss and lifetime noise exposure
      Well if they need people, I'm ready, I emailed the study and then emailed as many individuals as I could find their email addresses. I told them I am retired with plenty of time to devote to whatever they need but so far no takers.
       
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    28. threefirefour
      Peeping tom

      threefirefour Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      California
      Tinnitus Since:
      5/15/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      140dB B R U H moment
      You probably did, but did you try making a umich account and signing up for the study?
       
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    29. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      Awesome! I don't know your age, but there is preference for people under 65 and with a shorter onset of T. But awesome either way!
       
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    30. threefirefour
      Peeping tom

      threefirefour Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      California
      Tinnitus Since:
      5/15/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      140dB B R U H moment
      Shorter onset? Like have had it less? According to their paper the two people who didn't have a significant reduction in TFI had tinnitus for less than a year. Granted two people is an extremely tiny sample size, but with our limited information it seems people who have had it longer benefit more.
       
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