Notched Music Therapy (DIY, AudioNotch, etc.)

[Fabrikat]

The research does say that the sounds were most effective when around the tinnitus tone so if you have a pure tone tinnitus the best sound will not have any energy to be able to take a notch out of.

Does that mean modulating sounds would be ineffective with pure tone tinnitus or does that mean one would need to boost the volume surrounding the tinnitus frequency?

 

[Steve]

Does that mean modulating sounds would ineffective with pure tone tinnitus or does that mean one would need to boost the volume surrounding the tinnitus frequency?

If you have tonal tinnitus you will get the most benefit from amplitude modulation with a tone matching your tinnitus. If you want to notch you need a tone that has good representation across the frequency spectrum. You can still use the amplitude modulation on a broadband sound with a notch. It will be interesting to see the effect but there isn't any current research to support it.

There is research which is from a PhD that I talked to recently, with success from amplitude modulated broadband noise. I'll ask her about it, see if I can publish any data or a comment.

 

[Fabrikat]

Thanks @Steve! So rather than avoiding the frequency tone, we now focus on it, but modulate it. Broadband modulation sounds like it would benefit the many people who do not have tonal tinnitus, if I've understood rightly. I'd love to see the PhD's results. Sounds very encouraging!

 

[Steve]

Thanks @Steve! So rather than avoiding the frequency tone, we now focus on it, but modulate it. Broadband modulation sounds like it would benefit the many people who do not have tonal tinnitus, if I've understood rightly. I'd love to see the PhD's results. Sounds very encouraging!

Yes I think that's right, when you can't identify a tone try broadband noises for these sorts of techniques. Although that is just my opinion.

I wouldn't say that there is a change in technique. Some audio therapy uses the tinnitus tone, some uses sound around it and avoids the tone. It's likely that you have to try a few ideas out and see which one works best for you.

I've asked the question on the results but she is very near to handing the thesis in so may take a little time to respond.

 

[GregCA]

Keep in mind that there could be dangers related to prolonged exposure to a single frequency sound (i.e. a tone, albeit amplitude modulated). I remember reading a long time ago (waaaay before my T) that these types of sounds were to avoid because all of their energy was focused on a single frequency, which means that all the mechanical energy ended up focused on one very small part of the cochlea, which could potentially have damaging effects.
It's a bit like a laser: it's so focused that even a small amount of power can do quite some damage.
I do not have any scientific paper to back it up: as I said this is what I remember from decades ago, but I'd be cautious about very focused signals for long periods of time. I know I'm shying away from them, especially because the "T" area could easily map the part of the cochlea that is already hurt.

 

[Fabrikat]

Keep in mind that there could be dangers related to prolonged exposure to a single frequency sound (i.e. a tone, albeit amplitude modulated).

Then you have things like the Levo system, which apparently focuses on the tinnitus frequency, I believe. Yet notching theory says not to do that. ACRN doesn't do it either. It's a bit confusing. To frequency focus or not to frequency focus, that is the question it seems, when it comes to home based sound therapies.

 

[GregCA]

Then you have things like the Levo system, which apparently focuses on the tinnitus frequency, I believe.

I'm not sure they just focus on that. It's not clear what the main program is, but their FDA filing specifies "amplitude modulated tinnitus pitch matched tones, narrow-band noise centered at the tinnitus frequency, and broad-band noise."

 

[Fabrikat]

I'm not sure they just focus on that. It's not clear what the main program is, but their FDA filing specifies "amplitude modulated tinnitus pitch matched tones, narrow-band noise centered at the tinnitus frequency, and broad-band noise."

From that description, it sounds like they are similar in aspects to the study using amplitude modulated sounds. There's not a lot of talk on TT about Levo or its rate of success. I'm presuming it's low, otherwise our community would be shouting its praises from the rooftops.

 

[Samir]

amplitude modulated tinnitus pitch matched tones, narrow-band noise centered at the tinnitus frequency, and broad-band noise

Could someone translate this to English please?

Narrow... yet broad...

 

[Samir]

This is how I picture the Levo thing to work, given the description above.



It doesn't look too complicated when you look at it this way. Of course, a picture does say more than words. But I have no clue if this is what is really going on with the Levo system.

 

[GregCA]

This is how I picture the Levo thing to work, given the description above.

Yeah except you've got your domains mixed: you are in the frequency domain for your broad band and narrow band spectral distributions, but you are in the time domain for your amplitude modulated signal. You can't mix data from both sides of the "FFT mirror" on the same graph. Well, you can but... it doesn't make much sense.

 

[GregCA]

Could someone translate this to English please?

Narrow... yet broad...

It's confusing indeed. Maybe these are 3 different "modes of operation" that don't play simultaneously.

 

[Samir]

It's confusing indeed. Maybe these are 3 different "modes of operation" that don't play simultaneously.

Yeah, that could be. I wish we knew more about it so we could try something like this home made. It should not be too difficult to recreate.

 

[sharonr]

Hi, i am considering trying notched music therapy. At the moment i am doing sound therapy international and want to continue with it.

My question is can i do them both at the same time.

I do sound therapy in the morning and would do notch music therapy at night.

Thank you.

 

[Pleasure_Paulie]

Hi, i am considering trying notched music therapy. At the moment i am doing sound therapy international and want to continue with it.

My question is can i do them both at the same time.

I do sound therapy in the morning and would do notch music therapy at night.

Thank you.

My understanding is the more you do the better the end result so why not do sound therapy intentional in the morning and the night? Evaluate it after a few months and see if it's helping? if not, try notch.

 

[sharonr]

My understanding is the more you do the better the end result so why not do sound therapy intentional in the morning and the night? Evaluate it after a few months and see if it's helping? if not, try notch.

Thank you so much for your help. It puts my mind at ease by doing them both together.
Thanks
Sharon.

 

[Pleasure_Paulie]

Thank you so much for your help. It puts my mind at ease by doing them both together.

My suggestion was to give 100% to one method and evaluate over a few months.

 

[sharonr]

My suggestion was to give 100% to one method and evaluate over a few months.

Sorry i read it wrong.
Thank you
Sharon.

 

[Ike J]

Can anyone comment on how to implement James White's approach to notching all output from a MAC using the latest version of GarageBand (or similar approaches). I can't seem to find the AUparametric equalizer plug-in described in the original post

 

[bellafjelle]

Hello,

My tinnitus is around 12400 Hz.

I'm playing around with Notched White Noise Therapy and have a question. My Notch is between 8794 Hz and 17588 Hz, but I have some age-related hearing loss beyond 14000 Hz so will this technique still work?

 

[meeb]

I really want to do this but it jsut looks like stress trying to figure out how to do it. Shame.

 

[MBH]

Has anyone heard of signal notch therapy? I heard they had success. Just wondering about it?

 

[GregCA]

Has anyone heard of signal notch therapy? I heard they had success. Just wondering about it?

What is the "signal notch therapy" you are mentioning? The only hit I get on google is this page.

 

[MBH]

My ear person mention it to me, it based on finding your tone and hearing your tone in your ear. It is by leanne powers. I'm going to read more about it but I'm not as hip as this site is about treatment. It might be a possibility.

 

[GregCA]

My ear person mention it to me, it based on finding your tone and hearing your tone in your ear. It is by leanne powers. I'm going to read more about it but I'm not as hip as this site is about treatment. It might be a possibility.

I think you may be confused with Signia Tinnitus Therapy. It's a habituation process, which is somewhat unrelated to Notched Music Therapy.

 

[MBH]

Ok thanks for looking into it.

 

[morgothaod]

Can someone notch an hour long music file for me? When I use audacity and enter the Nyquist Prompt section, I get "Not responding" after entering the (vector (notch2 (aref s 0) 13000 1) (notch2 (aref s 1) 13000 1) ) command. My trial for Cool Edit expired and I can't save the file (When I reinstall Cool Edit it still says my trial expired). SIGH

I think my tinnitus is at 13000

My low and high numbers are
9219
18439

 

[morgothaod]

Thanks, I also found an app called "Tinnitus Therapy Tunes." It notches all my songs on my phone and lets me listen for 20 minutes/day. If I pay $9.99 I get unlimited use. Do you guys have any tips for finding your tinnitus frequency? I have a bit of trouble telling if my tinnitus is an "eeeeeeeeeee" (Like 9000) or an "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" (11000+) if that makes any sense!

 

[Ambassador]

I have found it's very difficult to find my frequency, I think I'm close but not sure. It's not like you can ask for a second opinion. I find the range between 8K and 11K works well for me.

 

[bellafjelle]

Hello,

I have a question about the notch that applies to notched music therapy/notched white noise therapy.

A person has a tinnitus frequency at 13000 hz. He makes a notch between 12000 and 14000 hz. However, this person has an age-related hearing loss at frequencies above 14000 hz. Probably around 10-15 dB.

Do this person have to be able to hear the frequencies at the end of the notch for the therapy to work?

(Moderators: is there any way possible you can let this post stay in the normal support forum? It seems like the notched thread is kinda dead since noone really responds to questions)