Ototech

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by RODRIGO, Dec 31, 2018.

    1. RODRIGO

      RODRIGO Member

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      A Spanish clinic, treatment by radio frequency...
      62% success rate. Between 2000- 3000 euros.

      What do you think?

      https://www.ototech.es

      This person is a famous presenter and artist in Spain who says he was treated at this tinnitus clinic, and that it works and he recommends it on Twitter to another famous Spanish film director who suffers from tinnitus.

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    2. Adam0309

      Adam0309 Member

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      I couldn’t understand the website. What treatment do they offer exactly?
       
    3. Helheim
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      Helheim Member

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      Uh... this is in Spanish?
       
    4. Don Tinny

      Don Tinny Member

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      Argentina
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      2017 (worsening)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud concert with ear plugs
      "Ototech therapy consists of applying a low intensity electric current to the mastoid area (posterior area of the auditory pinna). By means of this current an increase of the temperature of the zone that produces a metabolic stimulus and a regenerative effect of the affected tissues is achieved."

      "The effectiveness of this treatment lies in the stimulation of inner ear cells that are damaged. Through the application of different algorithms (electric waves) the metabolism of these cells is activated, achieving their regeneration, recovery of the original morphology and the healing or improvement of the symptomatology."


      If this works, then Frequency Therapeutics is wasting time. It seems the typical "miraculous" clinic that is usually seen on TV.
       
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    5. JohnAdams
      Festive

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      that guy does seem to look like he is really happy.

      I wish our so called "tinnitus associations" would get off their asses and investigate this sort of stuff.
       
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    6. Don Tinny

      Don Tinny Member

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      Argentina
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      2017 (worsening)
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      It sounds excellent, but why are not they super famous?

      Cochlear Transmastoid Electrostimulation has been shown to be an effective therapy for the diminution or disappearance of the perception of tinnitus, by means of an improvement in the physiology of the organ of Corti that leads to an increase in hearing thresholds.

      There are multiple causes that can be responsible for the appearance of tinnitus. The first treatment to apply depends on these causes. However, only in 5% or 10% of cases is the responsible pathology known, and in most of them there is more than one *.

      Until the appearance of the Transmastoid Cochlear Electrostimulation there was no treatment for this 95% or 90% remaining that would mean a total cure or a significant improvement of the tinnitus.

      The effectiveness of this treatment lies in the stimulation of inner ear cells that are damaged. Through the application of different algorithms (electric waves) the metabolism of these cells is activated, achieving their regeneration, recovery of the original morphology and the healing or improvement of the symptomatology.

      Therefore, it is considered a pioneering therapy that through its advanced radiofrequency technique has been able to achieve the therapeutic recovery of a pathology, until today, considered practically incurable.
       
    7. Adam0309

      Adam0309 Member

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      The science doesn’t sound very convincing in that it is well established that inner ear cells cannot regenerate (outside of Gene Therapy or Stem Cell based methods, which this is not). If this works then it is through serendipity and the writers do not understand the science. On the balance of probabilities it seems more likely that this does not work than it does. Nevertheless, best wishes and best of luck to anyone who does try this.
       
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    8. JohnAdams
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      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      because the ATA or BTA hasn't looked into this and either given an endorsement or a non endorsement.
       
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    9. JohnAdams
      Festive

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      well first off you left out pathway signaling, and how do we know that cellular pathway signaling can't be accomplished with resonant EMF? Instead of us sitting around squabbling about it why aren't people that have the means investigating this for us?
       
    10. drivera2592
      Nerdy

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    11. drivera2592
      Nerdy

      drivera2592 Member

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      How long ago was this picture tweeted?
       
    12. AUTHOR
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      RODRIGO

      RODRIGO Member

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      The picture is from September 2018.
       
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      RODRIGO

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      I have spoken with the clinic. The treatment consists of 15 stimulations, the optimal is twice a week. The price is 120 euros per session one ear, and 180 euros per session, in both ears (15 minutes per ear) - I have sent twit the presenter and the film director, to inform me, even without answer. It is rare that nobody has investigated it, but it is true that they have many videos with supposed patients.
       
    14. PDodge
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      All they need to do is sell 2 or 3 hearing aids and a willing person to go
       
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    15. JohnAdams
      Festive

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Radio waves can in fact be used to trigger cellular signaling pathways.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2267311/

      this is amazing and terrifying.

      If we could isolate the resonant frequency of WNT and notch1 then maybe we could use that to trigger regeneration of our haircells without drugs.
       
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      RODRIGO

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      I´m thinking about it, waiting for more information. :)
       
    17. Stakovic

      Stakovic Member

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      No difference between this and the London Tinnitus Clinic, both bullshit.
       
    18. drivera2592
      Nerdy

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      Rodrigo,

      You are in Valencia. I think you should go ! :)
       
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    19. GregCA
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      There are worse places on earth to have to spend 8 weeks at.
       
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      RODRIGO

      RODRIGO Member

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      Yeah, it´s not an awful place...;)
       
    21. GregCA
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      I would love to see a clinical study that reproduces their treatment in the context of a scientific process (double blinding, control group, etc...) - because they do claim their legitimacy from a host of existing studies that are a bit tangential to what they are doing.

      I couldn't see anything in pubmed that matched the keywords they provided. The links they provide to studies end up in a "404 Not found" status too, which isn't super reassuring.

      It's certainly nice to see original ideas being executed though.

      This video can shed some light:
      European Congress ORL-HNS Dr....
       
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    22. GregCA
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      It does remind me a bit of the "electromagnetic headphones" that @Michael Leigh uses (and claims some amount of success with).
       
    23. Don Tinny

      Don Tinny Member

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      2017 (worsening)
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      Well ... at least I could talk to the doctors in my mother language. Lol

      If it really works, it should spread throughout the world. Like the hair recovery clinics. But I doubt
       
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      RODRIGO

      RODRIGO Member

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      He also states that after the treatment there is an average increase in auditory capacity of 10 dB ... will it be possible?
       
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    25. GregCA
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      Again, without a properly conducted study, it's only his word you have to trust or not trust.
      10 dB is nice, but it's close to the margin of error on hearing tests, which is why you need lots of samples to ensure that it is statistically significant: a true 10 dB improvement would be very good.

      Also, your messages include quotes translated in Spanish, but without the proper syntax to appear correctly. It seems the translation messes up the markdown.
       
    26. AUTHOR
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      RODRIGO

      RODRIGO Member

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      Here is the exgobernator of Cordoba (Argentina), saying that this technique cured his tinnitus...

       
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    27. JohnAdams
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      How do you know that?
       
    28. drivera2592
      Nerdy

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      Ok now Im starting to believe this treatment. Two high profile individuals that have claimed they've been "cured".

      Do you think they may been paid to make these bold claims?
       
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    29. drivera2592
      Nerdy

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    30. Stakovic

      Stakovic Member

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      Where are the results of this trial?
       

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