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hard to say? a bunch of stuff happened over that time period. I'd be pretty surprised if some amount of my hearing loss didn't happen then, though, if they are really 170db.
The Sound of an Airbag Deploying Is 160 dB. What Can One Do?
- Thread starter Bill Bauer
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- Feb 17, 2017
- 10,399
- Tinnitus Since
- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
My T is spiking now as a result of a fire alarm beeping after the power came back on. My fire alarm is now disabled. I will look into getting a fire alarm for deaf people. If you want to learn from my fail, you know what to do...
So your airbag doesn't deploy, your head smashes against your steering wheel, and you live the rest of your days as a quadriplegic. But your T isn't any worse.
How about...buy a set of Peltor combat arms ear plugs and leave them in your car if you're that worried about an air bag deploying. Seems a lot easier and a lot safer.
And yes, they will provide protection.
How about...buy a set of Peltor combat arms ear plugs and leave them in your car if you're that worried about an air bag deploying. Seems a lot easier and a lot safer.
And yes, they will provide protection.
- Nov 25, 2015
- 1,705
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- 11/2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Large caliber rifles&machine guns, +30 years of loud clubs
Yeah, great, a Peltor and you're fine ! It's what, 30 dB protection ? 40dB maybe ? 160 - 40dB is still a lot to handle, especially if many airbags deploy...
Some people can't get the idea that for some people (in my case at least), death is far less scary than a worsened hearing condition. Because they already are on the edge.
Thought it was a support group but no, some people NEED to be really judgmental.
What do you care if someone wants to do it ? Is it helpful to just judge ?
Some people can't get the idea that for some people (in my case at least), death is far less scary than a worsened hearing condition. Because they already are on the edge.
Thought it was a support group but no, some people NEED to be really judgmental.
What do you care if someone wants to do it ? Is it helpful to just judge ?
My life changed in an instant because of a popped kid's ballon inside a car. This is now this shitty life with hearing loss (60dB), H and T. One more event like this and I'm dead anyway.
Well, that would not change the sound level that much.
I also believe wearing ear defenders would provide high protection against this type of noise. And thus would make the airbag deactivation more risky than the airbag deployment noise.
120 dB is a lot to handle yes, but if it lasts a quarter of second and that the sound does not directly reaches your ears it would be fine for most T sufferers
That part is quite easy to understand (I am sympathetic), but you make it sound like you get to chose one or the other. You could easily end up with another horrible health condition in addition to T, and not be dead. You could even get more T from the physics of your body's motion in a crash that wasn't damped by an air bag. Nobody can predict really, and any belief that you can modify outcomes to your liking are pure illusion, in my opinion.
Good luck!
My car is old and doesnt have airbags, lol
if i get a new one, ill get them without the airbags end of story.
if i get a new one, ill get them without the airbags end of story.
- Feb 17, 2017
- 10,399
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- February, 2017
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Acoustic Trauma
You're completely right and there is no ideal solution. It's all about personal choices we make. That's why I don't understand why some people here are so judgmental.
I respect the one who "needs" his 10 airbags. I respect the one who doesn't even wonder about it. I respect those like me who'd like to be able to deactivate them (with no possibility to do it legally really).
TuneOut
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I was in a fairly bad accident a couple years ago. It was a stormy night and I was lost and stressed out and drove head-on into a wooden light pole. There was a huge crashing sound, the entire front of car caved-in, and the airbag deployed quite forcefully. I remember being dazed and my ears ringing pretty loudly (I already had tinnitus from many years before.) It eventually went down. Although I suspect these traumas build up over time. But the airbag saved my life, for better or worse. 
- Feb 17, 2017
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- February, 2017
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TuneOut
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Bill,
I honestly don't remember. I think that the whole accident was such a shock that it took focus away from the ringing. It was just a relief overall to be walking away. But it didn't do as much damage as I feared something like this would do. It might very well have been a contributor to increases that have occurred since that time. Or maybe not.
I honestly don't remember. I think that the whole accident was such a shock that it took focus away from the ringing. It was just a relief overall to be walking away. But it didn't do as much damage as I feared something like this would do. It might very well have been a contributor to increases that have occurred since that time. Or maybe not.
- Nov 25, 2015
- 1,705
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- 11/2015
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- Large caliber rifles&machine guns, +30 years of loud clubs
This is the kind of driving people do in cars with airbags - speeding because the bags give a sense of protection . There was another similar "bags saved my life " story from a person in these forums where speeding under bad driving condition was the cause of the crash .I was in a fairly bad accident a couple years ago. It was a stormy night and I was lost and stressed out and drove head-on into a wooden light pole. There was a huge crashing sound, the entire front of car caved-in, and the airbag deployed quite forcefully. I remember being dazed and my ears ringing pretty loudly (I already had tinnitus from many years before.) It eventually went down. Although I suspect these traumas build up over time. But the airbag saved my life, for better or worse.
A crash alone is 140db
My car has no bags so I drive accordingly
Hardly judgmental. I just don't want anyone else to think its a good idea to disable a life saving device that deploys in a car accident so they don't risk hearing damage. That makes little sense to me. There are many conditions that are worse than T, like serious head injuries.
And this is a support group. But "support" does not mean not calling out a monumentally bad idea just to spare someone's feelings.
Agree. Also, this is like avoiding flying because some planes crash, crossing streets because some people get run over, not going outdoor because a lightning can strike you. S#it happens. Airbags can make a s#itty situation less s#hitty. If you don't have plans on getting an engineering degree and joining the auto industry, better to leave it be.
Newer Mercedes Benz cars will play pink noise at 80db through the car stereo if the sensors detect an imminent collision.
"When presented with a high-intensity sound stimulus, the stapedius and tensor tympani muscles of the ossicles contract.[1] The stapedius stiffens the ossicular chain by pulling the stapes (stirrup) of the middle ear away from the oval window of the cochlea and the tensor tympani muscle stiffens the ossicular chain by loading the tympanic membrane when it pulls the malleus (hammer) in toward the middle ear. The reflex decreases the transmission of vibrational energy to the cochlea, where it is converted into electrical impulses to be processed by the brain." -Wiki
"When presented with a high-intensity sound stimulus, the stapedius and tensor tympani muscles of the ossicles contract.[1] The stapedius stiffens the ossicular chain by pulling the stapes (stirrup) of the middle ear away from the oval window of the cochlea and the tensor tympani muscle stiffens the ossicular chain by loading the tympanic membrane when it pulls the malleus (hammer) in toward the middle ear. The reflex decreases the transmission of vibrational energy to the cochlea, where it is converted into electrical impulses to be processed by the brain." -Wiki
- Aug 21, 2016
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- 2005
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- Noise / T worsened with antiobiotics
This is great stuff but it would be even greater if they would make airbags that don't blow up at 160 db.
That said, a lot of stuff MB has come up with over the years ends up being standard on lots of other cars so it's nice to see that car makers are addressing this issue.
This has all been discussed before. It would be monumentality hard, if not improbable, to have a bag inflate quick enough without explosives being involved. The sound of the collision alone is going to be loud, and there's going to be trauma of some kind regardless. I think part of the healing process is letting go, and not letting T and H dictate to you in this way.
It's never easy, but life is full of much bigger dangers than airbags. Whether it be a threat to our ears or our lives, there are things we should pay attention to, and other things we just need to let be. We ultimately can't control everything that's in our destiny, and the day we stop trying, the stronger we can become both mentally and emotionally.
However, if people want to do this then so be it. It's a free world. Just don't offer anyone a lift, or advise others to do so. Like someone else said above: the more logical approach would be to stop driving if it's a huge concern.
I refuse to bend over backwards to accommodate this affliction in everything I do. Compromises have to be made, but sometimes I think people go too far.
- Feb 17, 2017
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- February, 2017
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- Acoustic Trauma
You can ignore reality, but you might not be able to ignore the consequences of not ignoring reality...
Unfortunately this is negative thinking which is a sure way of allowing tinnitus to control your life. @Ed209 is one hundred percent right.
Michael
- Feb 17, 2017
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It Should control my life. Whether we like it, or not, it is a life-changing condition. Even if it ever fades, if one Doesn't change everything one does in one's day to day life, it will likely come back. If one doesn't change one's lifestyle while living with chronic tinnitus, its volume will be more likely to increase.
Things like your salary, whether or not you are blind, etc., should all determine what you do in your life. What you do in your life can't be divorced from the constraints that you have to work with.
"I've had a lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened." (Usually credited to Mark Twain).
You are free to live your life anyway you want. I'm of the belief that if you aren't affecting others, then we all have free will. That doesn't mean we all have to agree with each other on the subject of disabling airbags. As long as there's no passengers at any point then it's a free choice, but in my opinion it's a bizarre one considering the other possible consequences. T and H can worsen anyway, even if you live by a code of life limiting rules.
With all due respect. You are trying to be clever by using words to justify your negativity. I advise you to take heed of what @Ed209 is saying and the many other positive people who are at tinnitus talk. Just because one has tinnitus doesn't mean their life is destined to be one of doom and gloom. I was medically retired from my job many years ago because of tinnitus. I didn't give up and say I can't go on. When I asked my consultant in 2010 to be candid about my condition as I felt it wasn't improving anymore after 2 years of TRT for the second time in 11 years. She said and I quote: "You are the second worst patient that I have treated with this condition".
I wanted the floor to open there and then and swallow me whole. Then she said: " I will never give up on treating you". It took 4 years for me to habituate to tinnitus for the 2nd time. It now fluctuates from: Silent, mild, moderate, and severe. Yesterday I took my clonazepam and haven't taken it for months. However, the tinnitus was very intrusive so had little choice. Life is problematic, but that doesn't mean we should all give up and say I can't go on.
Michael
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- Jun 20, 2021
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- 03/2021
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- Idiopathic Cochleopathy or Maybe Loud Music
Jesus Christ, what am I reading? Of course you were not improving after two years of TRT, because TRT is like trying to treat heart disease with "positive thoughts." LOL.
If you took the time to read all of my post instead of quoting just a small section of it, then you might not have such a flippant attitude to TRT and CBT. When these treatments are administered correctly, and the patient is willing to work with the therapist, they can help a person affected by tinnitus. I didn't tell my ENT consultant that I hadn't noticed any improvement having had TRT for the second time. The results were quite different to the first time I had TRT: from 1996 to 1998.
My second noise trauma resulted in me developing what I call "variable tinnitus". This is an entirely different kettle of fish from ordinary noise-induced tinnitus. Please read my thread: Can I Habituate to Variable Tinnitus? I did eventually habituate, but it took a total of four years.
Tinnitus can be a very serious condition and when hyperacusis is present more so. I see nothing to "laugh out loud" about. I have counselled and corresponded with many people who have noise-induced tinnitus with or without hyperacusis. With respect, I doubt that your tinnitus is debilitating enough to the point where you need to seek professional help from an audiologist, or to be under the care of an ENT doctor who might need to prescribe you strong medication to help lower the tinnitus. Many people in this forum, including myself, are in this predicament.
Instead of laughing about tinnitus, I suggest you read some of my articles on tinnitus threads, then hopefully you will learn something. If I receive another childish response from you, then I will place you on ignore. Tinnitus Talk is a place where people come for help and for others to give advice. It is not a place for people to play the fool.
Good day.
Michael
DimLeb
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- Jun 20, 2021
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- Idiopathic Cochleopathy or Maybe Loud Music
Exactly. Tinnitus is a very serious condition, and I find it laughable that charlatans try to sell so-called treatments for over a thousand dollars. These often amount to nothing more than sound samples you could find on YouTube for free, combined with a few "learn to live with it" tips—advice that even ChatGPT can offer nowadays—to people who are desperate. Lenire is included in that group.
There is no proven medication that lowers tinnitus on its own, except possibly Trobalt, though we will likely never know for sure. Personally, even though my tinnitus varies from mild to moderate, I also experience a range of other symptoms periodically: tonic tensor tympani syndrome (TTTS), middle ear myoclonus (MEM), hyperacusis, sudden brief unilateral tinnitus (SBUTTs), dizziness, aural fullness, and sound distortions, among others. I have to seek help from ENT specialists, emergency rooms, or neuro-otologists at least once every two months. I have seen at least ten different professionals, and not one has been able to offer any real help.
The science simply is not there yet to provide us with effective treatment, and those who preach toxic positivity only serve to hold back progress.
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