Amazing News for Everyone! Perceived Tinnitus Loudness Is Always Related to Emotional Perception

Discussion in 'Support' started by Adamwynn, Oct 19, 2018.

    1. Adamwynn

      Adamwynn Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure
      So, I’ve just come from Harley Street in London, having just had an appointment with the UK's and probably the world’s leading ENT Doctor.

      And he told me that tinnitus volume as long as there is no current infection is always at 20 dB and the perceived loudness is always related to emotional perception and stress towards it.

      And given the right frame of mind everyone can habituate/return to silence/near silence.
       
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    2. annV
      Fine

      annV Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2005
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown - possibly hereditary
      That's utter bullshit. Ask him for scientific references and he cannot give you any. His medical license should be revoked.
       
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    3. Julien87
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      Julien87 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      France
      Tinnitus Since:
      2006
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure (concert)
      20 dB? Then how do some people hear it permanently even in 70dB-ish environments?
       
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    4. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      April /1996
      Your ENT doctor maybe be an excellent physician and knows all about the anatomy of the Ear, Nose and Throat. Most probably he will be able to treat any underlying medical problems associated with these organs, medically or surgically and I will assume he'll do this quite well.

      However, regarding tinnitus, I have no pleasure in saying this: He hasn't got a clue about this condition and how it affects an individual for we are all different. His diagnoses/advice is based on pure nonsense, mainly because he has never experienced tinnitus and therefore can never understand it.

      Michael
       
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    5. JohnAdams
      Festive

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Vatican
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 1st 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Aspirin Toxicity/Possibly Noise
      I just do not see how that could be true.
       
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    6. brucerob

      brucerob Member

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      06/2008
      As long-time reader, @Adamwynn, you have just done this:

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    7. Jack Straw
      Balanced

      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

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      US
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      1990s
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      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      This is great news guys! Someone call the Guinness Book of World Records because we just found the stupidest doctor in the world! I am so happy for him!
       
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    8. Manny
      Dead

      Manny Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      1/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      central gain << NIHL
      Yup...
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      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
       
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      Adamwynn

      Adamwynn Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/16
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise exposure
      I know you guys are saying this doctor is stupid and I understand your reactions but he is literally the world's leading expert so I wouldn’t be so quick as to dismiss his knowledge.
       
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    10. Bam

      Bam Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neck/stress
      Did he have any other pearls of wisdom?..... ‘nobody kills themselves because of tinnitus, it’s depression.’ Perhaps?!
       
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    11. Kelvin

      Kelvin Member Benefactor

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      UK
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      June 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Dental Work
      Thanks @Adamwynn... that has really made me smile on a dull day and is the funniest thing I have ever read on tinnitus.

      I hope your consultation didn't cost you too much, but wait...! Did you say Harley Street? (y)
      Best of luck with "The Frame Of Mind" cure.

      Guy's a genius and all that education sure did pay off.
       
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    12. Bam

      Bam Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      10/2017
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      Jokes aside this sentence alone I find almost macabre. This condition completely fucks your ‘frame of mind’ in a way most people cannot even comprehend. Most people are out of whack, negative and grumpy after one night with no sleep. Fact.

      The cold lack of empathy exhibited by the ‘it’s your attitude that causes you to suffer’ brigade, is the reason why there is so much genuine despair and hopelessness on this forum, amongst people who are desperately clinging to life and their families, kids etc and would happily give away their own limbs and organs to hear silence again.
       
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    13. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      I feel like saying something really quite rude,
      but by exercising great restraint, I’ll maintain my usual degree of decorum, and tell you that he’s a complete arse’ole !!
      If you wish to speak to a specialist, speak to one of us......x

      The only specialists in Tinnitus are the sufferers!
       
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    14. Michael Leigh

      Michael Leigh Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      April /1996
      @Adamwynn

      I did not call the doctor that you went to see stupid because that would be rather rude and very insulting due to the fact he is a qualified physician. He may indeed be a world leading medical expert in ENT and knows all about the Ear, Nose and Throat and how to medically treat theses organs and for that I applaud him.

      I assure you he is not a leading expert on Tinnitus, so please don't hold him in such high regard on being all knowing about this condition because it isn't true. In fact he knows very little about it and probably only knows about tinnitus from what his patients tell him during a consultation when they arrive at his clinic. Many medical conditions can cause tinnitus and I am confident, if one associated with the ear or elsewhere in the body is found to be causing it, he will be able to treat it medically or surgically. This may reduce or cure the tinnitus.

      In the case of "noise induced" tinnitus, your doctor will not be able to treat it. He will advise a referral to a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist for treatment, once he is sure no underlying medical problem has been found to be causing the tinnitus.

      Michael
       
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    15. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

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      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
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      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      I could believe it. If people understood how the brain hears they would understand how you can tune into a 20db noise... even in loud environment. Ever wonder how you can focus on someone speaking at say 60 dB in a restaurant of 85dB? It’s because we have the ability to sort frequencies and block some level of sound. Actually our ear muscles work in conjunction with our brain to do most of this.
       
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    16. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
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    17. Greg Sacramento

      Greg Sacramento Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      April 2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      syringing and now somatic T dental work
      @Adamwynn I wish you the best. Tinnitus recovery from hearing loss depends on the amount of damage as well as the cause.

      For those with physical tinnitus such as injury - whiplash it's takes a lot of hard work for success as the jaw and neck often have a combined association. For this, a thin flexible mouth guard and stretching the neck upwards should be considered. Sometimes there's other treatment methods depending on the physical cause.

      I really feel for those with severe tinnitus as a few post here or had posted here.
       
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    18. brownbear

      brownbear Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      July 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sudden sensorineural hearing loss ? cochlear hydrops
      Hang on a minute, I thought I was the world's leading ENT doctor. I'm confused.
       
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    19. Snake
      Scared

      Snake Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Long term playing computer games on headphones.
      I can only say that you have a lot to learn, and i advise to always check every advise twice and compare it to experience of other sufferers and every scientific paper you can find. Learn from other mistakes and don't take opinions from one source as truth, that what research is about.

      My mistake was listening to ENT 7 years ago that I shouldn't go to a hospital after acquiring tinnitus because of headphones (well, she said that as 13 year old back then I can't have tinnitus and that I simulate it. She said that I'm too young to have it. It makes my angry even now.), and just wait for it to tune out itself. Well it was the first hour of tinnitus so if I would get steroids at hospital back then, today I could be tinnitus and hyperacusis free. It also got worse because I didn't know that you have to protect your ears especially if your tinnitus is from noise exposure, every ENT also told me not worry about it and live as usual. I developed hyperacusis after more and more loud situations and trusting others.

      From now on I trust only myself and my own research based on what trusted researchers says, what other sufferers says and what we will learn in the future but biggest factor is my own experience to not make things worse (it at least delays it as much as I can...)

      I would happily trust some ENT or neurologist or someone, it's not that I don't like doctors. I have some serious diseases and good doctors to keep their progression in check, but they don't have a clue about tinnitus and they don't lie to me that they have. That makes me trust them more because they just aren't lying. They trust me with my tinnitus and what makes mine worse, and I trust them that based on my experience they will try to not make me any harm with meds etc.

      Personally I would never listen to that ENT of yours again after he said something like this. Literally every experienced sufferer and every experienced researcher / doctor IN TINNITUS FIELD would laugh after hearing this.

      Permanent spikes, has he heard about those? It's not something that is tied to emotional perception...

      It's up to you what you will do, but take care and please check every advice twice with as many trusted sources as you can. You can learn from my own mistakes above.
       
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    20. Bam

      Bam Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      10/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Neck/stress
      Maybe it was you?
       
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    21. Nanny chocolate

      Nanny chocolate Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Devon
      Tinnitus Since:
      1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unbelievable caused by audiologist!
      What a load of ......... really!!!!!!
      If it’s that easy then we are a load of wimps when we are devastated by our very tinnitus.

      Was Mr Clever instructive in how to find this nirvana.

      I’m sure you hoped for help at your appointment and I’m not sure how you experienced his views.

      Oops
      @Adamwynn
       
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    22. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
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    23. Sam Bridge

      Sam Bridge Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2012
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music/gigs probably
      He is laughing all the way to the bank with your money!
       
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    24. Wolfears

      Wolfears Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
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      Cause of Tinnitus:
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      That ass clown should be stripped of his medical license.
       
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    25. advocate21

      advocate21 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      06/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      unknown
      @Adamwynn can you please share the doctor's name.
       
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    26. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Location:
      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      Look @Adamwynn - you may not feel like sharing the doctor’s name - and I don’t blame you.
      (So why not just whisper it to me.....er.....surreptitious.
      I’ll keep it quiet:
      - ‘cub’s honour’
      - ‘scout’s pledge’
      - ‘honest injun’)
       
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    27. JohnAdams
      Festive

      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Vatican
      Tinnitus Since:
      May 1st 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Aspirin Toxicity/Possibly Noise
      How can you actually even say tinnitus is a certain constant decibel level? Decibels are measures of air pressure in waves, this cannot be directly correlated to abberant nerve impulses in the brain. Can it?
       
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    28. kelpiemsp
      Swamped

      kelpiemsp Member Benefactor Hall of Fame Advocate

      Tinnitus Since:
      birth/ recent spike 2/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Born with ETD, several acoustic traumas, most recently ETD
      dBV... that’s as close as you will get.
       
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    29. PolishSoldier87
      Moonlighting

      PolishSoldier87 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      acustic trauma, neuro-lyme/rx co-op toxins
      World's leading fabulist.

      Nice theory.

      PS.
      Habituation is not returning to silence.
       
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    30. Bam

      Bam Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      10/2017
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      I would have frogmarched this joker to the nearest main road and point blank asked him to explain why I can still clearly hear my tinnitus over 85dB.......And then I would have asked for my money back and expenses for wasting my f***ing time. 20dB?!! That’s quieter than the average bedroom at night. This forum wouldn’t even exist.
       
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