Experimental Nootropic: Fasoracetam

Discussion in 'Alternative Treatments and Research' started by linearb, Apr 1, 2015.

    1. linearb
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      So, this one is kind of interesting:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasoracetam
      http://nootriment.com/fasoracetam/
      GABAb is strongly implicated as a tinnitus vector in a couple studies.
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15570498
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3360237/

      The (completely unavailable) l-isomer of baclofen in isolation from the d-isomer that's included with it in all commercial baclofen products, had a strong effect on tinnitus:
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3297816/

      So, then the question is "if a lack of GABAb initiated inhibition is involved in tinnitus signal propagation, and if Fasoracetam can specifically upregulate GABAb receptors, will consumption of fascoracetam decrease tinnitus signal strength?"

      I think it is an interesting question, enough so that I acquired samples of fasoracetam from a couple different vendors. Unfortunately, this stuff doesn't even have "supplement" status, meaning that any you are likely to acquire will be made by a chinese lab and come in a mailer that says "RESEARCH SAMPLE. NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION".

      My days of willingly consuming such things are probably a little bit behind me. But, it is out there! I will be keeping my eyes open for a USP grade source of this material.
       
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    2. Carm

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      Please if you find a quality source for this, can you give a link.
       
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      linearb
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      There are no "quality" sources. Centropic and TeamLTR both sell it as a research product, shipped in envelopes that clearly say "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION". Powdercity.com appears to sell it with a slightly less stringent disclaimer, "This nootropic is not considered a dietary supplement and as such should only be taken under the guidance of a doctor or in a research setting."

      I obtained 1-gram samples of material from both Centropic and TeamLTR, but haven't had time to send them off for GC/MS analysis yet. Even if both samples pass mass spec analysis as 99.999x% pure, I am not extremely enthusiastic about ingesting chemicals with very, very, very limited human consumption data behind them... I mean, I haven't even been willing to subject myself to Trobalt mostly for that reason, and we know a hell of a lot more about Trobalt than we do about this stuff.

      It is interesting, though.
       
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      After getting a half-assed GC/MS analysis done I have been experimenting with this, first with 20mg and now up to about 50mg 2x/day.

      It does seem to have some slight impact on T at these doses; it's also pretty clearly a psychoactive compound, notably more so than piracetam.

      I will probably max out at about 150mg/day, for no more than a few days, and then shelve it for some period of time. The mechanism of action is intriguing and the effects are not unpleasant, but the scant human data is a little worrying from the perspective of anything further than very limited use.
       
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    5. Krolo

      Krolo Member Benefactor

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      Dusting of some more of your threads here. How did this one turn out for you in the end? And do you have any other interesting compunds you tried during the years ? :)
       
    6. mrbrightside614

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      Acoustic trauma
      Just want to mention that my tinnitus usually spikes to some degree after exercising, whether due to increased sympathetic activity or loud noise exposure in the form of douches slamming weights because they’re not strong enough to appropriately control them/want to put on a show.

      Well my tinnitus was comically loud after shoulders and triceps so I figured I’d reach into my nootropic stash to see if something had an effect on it. Now, at this point spikes are hardly any more distressing than the chronic condition in itself, because regardless of its severity/volume, my tinnitus is chronically intrusive. I tried some Fasoracetam sublingually which is a GABA B antagonist and glutamate disposal agent. Dropped my 7 to a 4.5 relatively immediately. The stuff is too expensive to warrant habitual use, but if you’re freaked out about permanent spikes, maybe keeping some on hand would be a decent solution to your future worries.
       

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