Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by joe, Jan 18, 2012.

    1. ManyLeavesLeft

      ManyLeavesLeft Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/09/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acute Acoustic Trauma
      Here in NYC there is a private HBOT company which just requires a chest x-ray as clearance. Different countries have very different availability and pricing of HBOT services.
       
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    2. Bartoli

      Bartoli Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      2009,worsened 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      4 days after my acoustic trauma I had 10 sessions of HBOT at 1.5ATM pressure (15m dive). There were 2 sessions a day with a duration of 2 hours per session. Each session consisted of four 20 minute intervals where I would breathe 100% Oxygen through a mask. In between the intervals we had to take off the mask so we would breathe oxygen mixture at outside levels. Add the time to pressurize and depressurize and that made it 2 hours. Didn't work for me unfortunately, but it gave me some peace of mind to have tried. Some people with sudden single sided hearing loss had some recovery. It's hard to say if it was down to the sessions or spontaneous recovery.

      The therapy was combined with oral steroids (short course at 64 mg for 3 days, then 32 mg for 3 days and eventually 16 mg for 3 days).

      I could tell methylprednisolone is a potent drug because of the side effects. I'm an avid runner and during the course my muscles would get incredibly sore even before a workout. Harder workouts were nearly impossible. I just couldn't get the intensity in. It also seems to raise your transpiration level and makes you dehydrated a lot faster.

      It seems the evidence for steroids and HBOT is rather weak.
       
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    3. ManyLeavesLeft

      ManyLeavesLeft Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/09/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acute Acoustic Trauma
      Evidence for HBOT doing something beneficial seems quite strong, however the evidence suggests it doesn't work for everyone, and is best in the first few days.
       
    4. ManyLeavesLeft

      ManyLeavesLeft Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/09/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acute Acoustic Trauma
      I have now finished 8 90 minute HBOT treatments, and I am going to stop at this number. I am stopping because I feel based on the data I have probably gleaned most of the possible benefit from the treatment, and I have also experienced a minor side effect of having my left ear difficult to clear. Because of this, I would like to rest it and let it not be stressed by the pressurization/depressurization cycles.

      All in all, my tinnitus has improved over the last 11 days since I started treatment. It is difficult to say whether this improvement is due to the HBOT, augmented by the HBOT, or simply normal recovery from a recent (3 weeks as of today) acoustic trauma.

      My own reading of the empirical data available on HBOT leads to me conclude that it works (as in has some positive effect) for the majority of patients within a week or so of trauma, and a significant minority thereafter, up until and perhaps beyond a couple months.

      I would recommend anyone who has experienced an acoustic trauma attempt to get HBOT any time after the first 6 hours, up until a couple weeks or so. Thereafter, the cost/benefit ratio really depends on individuals' financial situations. I highly recommend using NAC and other antioxidant supplements adjunct to the HBOT. HBOT increases free radicals.

      I will end up paying something like $3,000 for 8 sessions, which most likely will provide only a modest benefit. However, I do feel it was worth it. My ENT believes my tinnitus is likely to go away after a few months, regardless of HBOT - but we all know how ENTs tend to speak in optimistic generalities about tinnitus. It has improved, become more consistent, less reactive, and less annoying/severe, over the past couple weeks. I will likely post once more on this thread if and when the tinnitus goes away or reaches some kind of plateau.
       
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    5. Jefferson Nunn

      Jefferson Nunn Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      3/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      There really are two different tinnitus. I have a mild tinnitus that would come and go maximum one hour and was high frequency. I call that regular tinnitus.

      This constant tinnitus came after my Toxic Mold Exposure where I also got Neuropathy. This is not fun stuff. One thing that I had along with this was fullness of the ears. It wasn't until I saw the ENT that he recommended PatulEND nose drops to flush out the ear tubes. I puked out some nasty black, brown, grey and other stuff after that. The fullness ended at least.

      I also had vertigo and dizziness caused by crap in my ears during the peak mold exposures. I was really getting worse every day there for a while. After leaving that environment (the back bedroom where I had an office and it was next to a bathroom that in the walls had tons of mold). I've been getting better every day. At one point, the crap in my ears touched nerve cells directly and I had an electrical sensation for 20-30 seconds followed by my right eye moving on its own downward causing double vision. The Neurologist and ENT both said that it was crystals in the ear touching the nerves.

      So there was definitely some mold crap in that area of my ears that caused the tinnitus. I still have the low frequency constant (24x7) tinnitus. It seems that there are three frequencies but right around 320 hertz.

      I am now going to get (next month) some HBOT treatments for the mold. I guess I'll let you guys know if it does anything for mold related tinnitus.

      So far... I don't see anything that can really help for this :(

      I'll keep you guys posted.

      J
       
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    6. ChrisBoyMonkey

      ChrisBoyMonkey Member Podcast Patron

      Location:
      CA
      Tinnitus Since:
      04/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      U.S. Army/Field Artillery Veteran
      Jesus Christ I'm sorry to hear that happened, but at least they have been able to help! Let us know how HBOT goes. Personally it doesn't seem to be very effective compared to placebo / natural healing but if one has the money and can weight the risks, it might be worth a try. If anything you can check out the Neuromod Lenire threads, that seems much more promising and we have a two hour interview with the CEO to be posted this month.
       
    7. PolarSun

      PolarSun Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Music
      I don't know in regards to ototoxic medication but it is supposed to work independently of steroids if you do it soon after the trauma.

      I did want to ask you what MRI did you use that cause you the acoustic trauma. I'm going to have to get an MRI and I'm in the same boat / age you are after a concert. I just don't want to suffer acoustic shock again.
       
    8. MRItechssuck

      MRItechssuck Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      2002-2015, 10/17/2019-?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise, MRI
      Ok so I’m in the middle of reading about HBO and have some facilities nearby.

      I was going to call them and see the expense of the HBO. I’ve called about TRT at some places but they talk about their download and website, etc... no real therapy places. And of course, I’ve tried 5 ENTs but no one has “urgent” appointment times... they all seem like car salesmen... no offense.

      I am also reading the Lenire study thread and it is hopeful. But I’m afraid the ending won’t be that good since I see some prevalent posters still posting.

      By the way, I apologize I’ve posted so much... this is mental therapy for me.

      In general with the supplements (I’ve started 6 bottles now) versus HBO.

      I’m in the USA so to do Lenire it is possible eventually someday, but would the HBO be worth a try?

      A fool and their money... and so forth... I’m the fool.

      Thanks.
       
    9. ajc

      ajc Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music - noise damage
      It's worth a try if you have the money for it.

      Usually it only works if you start it within 24 hours of acoustic shock but sometimes it works later too. TRY IT!
       
    10. Jan64

      Jan64 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Utrecht, the Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      1983
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise
      According to research I read, it is of course best to start as soon as possible...
      But also within the first 14 days, first 6 weeks, and within the first 3 month (partially) recovery is possible... I uploaded a review study.
       

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    11. MRItechssuck

      MRItechssuck Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      2002-2015, 10/17/2019-?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise, MRI
      I am concerned a bit about the dangers of a crackling noise as a side effect.

      Exploding lungs and clicking in the ear... scary side effects... I didn’t have any luck with a everyday MRI, so I don’t know if I should press my luck.

      Thank you again for the replies... the success rates seem a little sketchy.. .but not sure what I’ll do.
       
    12. MRItechssuck

      MRItechssuck Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      2002-2015, 10/17/2019-?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise, MRI
      I have decided not to do HBOT... solely because of the side effects. I went in for a routine MRI procedure and it was messed up... I’d hate to come out of a HBOT with a burst ear, lung, or blurry vision.

      I better not press my luck.

      Bummer.
       
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    13. Jefferson Nunn

      Jefferson Nunn Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      3/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      Relating to mold, I had to do HBOT. About two weeks ago, I measured it. It was at 320 Hz. I've done 4 hours of HBOT. It's down to 280 Hz today. Not sure if it is related or whatever. The frequency is lower. The intensity is the same.
       
    14. Jan64

      Jan64 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Utrecht, the Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      1983
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise
      According to several papers side effects of HBOT are relatively / very small.

      When you can clear your ears (and most of the people can) and the procedure is carefully done, actually no problem can occur. The problem with blurry sight is only when you do al lot (40-80) of HBOT treatments according to my hyperbaric doctor.

      In my past I have done 3 treatment series (10 (in 1999), 10 (in 2000), 20 (in 2017) and am now in the middle of the fourth. I go in and out relaxed and energised... During those sessions actually never happened something with my co-patients or with myself.
       
    15. MRItechssuck

      MRItechssuck Member

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      2002-2015, 10/17/2019-?
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise, MRI
      All true. But not a risk I personally was willing to take. I got a routine MRI that messed my ears up... I’m looking at “low risk” procedures with a whole new frame of reference.

      It depends on the person. My employment requires having a vision test every 6 months, so if your occupation is not reliant on a medical standard, by all means go, for it.
       
    16. Jan64

      Jan64 Member Benefactor

      Location:
      Utrecht, the Netherlands
      Tinnitus Since:
      1983
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise
      Okay, because a lot of people who read this thread: I 've asked the hyperbaric doctor: the problem with the eyes is only temporary; after the serie of treatments the excess of oxygen in the lens of the eye disappears again...
       
    17. Jefferson Nunn

      Jefferson Nunn Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      3/2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      I just completed 10 sessions of HBOT at 1.75 atmospheres over the time period of about 18 days. I couldn't do 10 consecutive days due to weather (lightning) and other factors. Here is what I have noticed:

      1. The frequency of the tinnitus has decreased quite dramatically. Now, at night it is much fainter and lower frequency.

      2. The blurry eyes is there. It has been 5 days since my last HBOT but this is decreasing now.

      3. The mold symptoms (pain) are dramatically less as well. Perhaps 50% less severe than it used to be.

      4. I really wish that I could get better TV or something inside that chamber. It is a really boring hour.
       

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