Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Discussion in 'Treatments' started by Tinnitus Talk, Apr 20, 2019.

    1. Jack Straw
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      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

      Location:
      US
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      1990s
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      Have you had it all your life?
       
    2. spedgas
      Gloomy

      spedgas Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      09/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      They haven’t even stated a price yet. It will certainly be cheaper than flying to South Korea and paying for Shim’s treatment.

      They have said plenty about the product and their goal of release. They are certainly saying more than Shim has about his method. Still waiting for Shim to do a Q&A with this website or release any study data at all.

      I’m glad you got the Shim treatment. We are lucky to have you here to tell us about your experience. We know where your loyalties lie. I don’t see the point of bashing Neuromod. It’s a product you will probably never use anyway.

      Why comment about your assumptions with the price? This is just going to cause a frenzy with people thinking the price has been stated already.
       
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    3. Hayls32

      Hayls32 Member

      Location:
      London
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pulsatle to begin with. Noise exposure later in life
      Nope. I won't even ask how old you think I am :LOL:

      When I think about it, it's actually been 22 years. Started off as pulsatile and I made it worse... now it's just a loud constant roar.
       
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    4. Ger W

      Ger W Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      Jan 2019
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Sinus common cold
      I made contact with a musician who took part in the clinical trial in 2018. He has had a lasting improvement in tinnitus volume or to put it another way his tinnitus has been greatly reduced and almost 12 months on from finishing the trial his tinnitus remains low.

      He's very happy with the outcome. I won't make contact with him again. I don't want to appear like a mad tinnitus stalker!
       
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    5. Hayls32

      Hayls32 Member

      Location:
      London
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pulsatle to begin with. Noise exposure later in life
      That sounds promising.
       
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    6. Shelly75

      Shelly75 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      20/07/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      I rang Neuromod today and asked if they’ve got a release date. They said they haven’t made it public yet but will let people know who have signed up for further information as soon as they do.

      I asked if it was likely to be months away and they said not months, it’s coming out very soon.
       
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    7. Hayls32

      Hayls32 Member

      Location:
      London
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pulsatle to begin with. Noise exposure later in life
      My only concern here is whether they exclude people who have heart conditions or neurological issues. I don't have a pacemaker or anything like that, however, I don't need inadvertently to end up with one :confused:
       
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    8. Tanni
      Heartbroken

      Tanni Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      October 2017
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      ???
      Hope... rising... :borg:
       
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    9. winstona
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      winstona Member

      Location:
      Toronto, Canada
      Tinnitus Since:
      Oct 2017
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud noise exposure and excessive ear irrigation
      Thank you! This is just the good news I needed!
       
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    10. KotaDomowa
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      KotaDomowa Member

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      Poland
      Tinnitus Since:
      Februar 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown
      @Snake do you think that they will sell it for a lower price in our country? I always thought that they would not go below PLN 16,000.

      ***
      A bit of private:
      This technology in theory can make me recover myself. That will make ambitious, hard-working and creative again. That will make me love my field of study and job again...

      I think everyone understands what I mean :)
       
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    11. Paulmanlike

      Paulmanlike Member Hall of Fame

      Tinnitus Since:
      2008
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      I’m just waiting for the price to be disclosed now and hoping I hit the jackpot with getting to see @annV's boobs if it’s less than 2 grand.
       
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    12. jmasterj
      No Mood

      jmasterj Member Benefactor

      Tinnitus Since:
      2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Acoustic?
      All of this sounds like good news. I am very excited. I am waiting for @annV to post about price to keep up with her promise.
       
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    13. Heinrich_S7
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      Heinrich_S7 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Uncertain
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise exposure
      2,300 Euros last I heard. I'll likely have to wait for a Canada/US launch anyway, so I'll be able to see what the first wave of adopters say.

      If it works, I'll gladly pay that and know that every cent will be worth it.
       
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    14. ruud1boy

      ruud1boy Member Podcast Patron Benefactor

      Location:
      Huddersfield, UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      Mild since 2006. Severe since late 2016
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      An enthusiastic youth
      I think you need to be careful in how you phrase things like this. Some people who might not be fully up to speed with this might just take this at face value and think it got rid of tinnitus for 4/5 people. That isn't what happened. From the numbers they've released so far, they've said a percentage saw a 'clinically significant improvement', but their definition of this is 'an improvement of 7 points or more on the THI scale' - which isn't much at all.

      I'm trying to keep a lid on my hopes for this thing, but we need to make sure we don't raise false hope for others as well.
       
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    15. Hayls32

      Hayls32 Member

      Location:
      London
      Tinnitus Since:
      1997
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Pulsatle to begin with. Noise exposure later in life
      Hahaaaa!
       
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    16. TheDanishGirl
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      TheDanishGirl Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Denmark
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      05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
      It is ridiculous to call an improvement of 7+ points on the THI "a significant improvement".

      It's absolutely nothing. Nada!.........totally negligible.
       
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    17. Jack Straw
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      Jack Straw Member Podcast Patron Benefactor Ambassador Hall of Fame Advocate

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      1990s
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      Infection, Acoustic Trauma
      Hahaha.
       
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    18. Heinrich_S7
      Psychedelic

      Heinrich_S7 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Uncertain
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise exposure
      I wholeheartedly agree with caution when it comes to optimism.

      But from what we've heard from people who have tried bimodal stimulation, the results were extremely good. We've heard from 2 people that their tinnitus went from severe to almost inaudible and then from another 2 people that their tinnitus went away entirely. So you can't say it hasn't completely removed the symptom for some, because it most certainly has. I'm just wondering why the paper doesn't match these claims we've heard from people who have tried it. Or why Neuromod's testimonials were so lackluster and quite frankly, garbage. They should have Clara B in those testimonials.

      We know at this point bimodal stimulation is the real deal, we just don't know how much everyone is going to respond. Some people had their tinnitus eliminated, some people had massive reductions, some people had mild reductions, and small portion said it did nothing.

      I think a lot of it boils down to what form of tinnitus you have, and how severe it is
       
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    19. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      You gotta love how guys can't remember to put the toilet seat cover down but when it comes to something like this we have a photographic memory.

      #priorities
       
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    20. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      We now return to our regularly scheduled pessimism.

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    21. Heinrich_S7
      Psychedelic

      Heinrich_S7 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      Uncertain
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      noise exposure
      Funnily enough, everyone on this forum who has tried bimodal stimulation in the clinical trials have said they can barely even hear their tinnitus anymore or that it went away entirely. I call that pretty significant.

      We know it works, I don't understand why everyone is poo pooing it. Yeah it won't work for everyone, but when this gets out investors will go CRAZY and put money into developing more devices for other forms of tinnitus.

      I think now that we're approaching the launch, people are having fears about it not working well or at all for them. To them, I say just calm down and relax. If this works, the tinnitus world is going to explode with investments into alternate forms of treatment. Money talks. And people can make billions off this unmet need that affects people globally.
       
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    22. JohnAdams
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      JohnAdams Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      Vatican
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      May 1st 2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Aspirin Toxicity/Possibly Noise
      Like 5,000 pounds.
       
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    23. TheDanishGirl
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      TheDanishGirl Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      05/2017 (H since 06/2017)
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      long term noise exposure (headphones), maybe some stress.
      We now return to your offense, when somebody dares to even remotely question the effects of this device. Do you work for Neuromod?

      A reduction of 7 points IS negligible. I would like to see you try to explain otherwise.
       
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    24. Lilah
      Bashful

      Lilah Member Benefactor

      Location:
      USA
      Tinnitus Since:
      12/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Unknown, Lupus
      What was the cause of their tinnitus?
       
    25. GlennS

      GlennS Member Podcast Patron

      Tinnitus Since:
      1992
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Loud music
      I'll be glad to. Measuring suffering is inherently subjective and imperfect. PERIOD.

      I don't trust the numbers alone to tell me how much better they feel afterwards. It's going to be their own testimonials.
       
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    26. Shelly75

      Shelly75 Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      20/07/2018
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise induced
      Where did you find this out? I can’t see it on their website?
       
    27. dayma
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      dayma Member Benefactor

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      1/6/2018
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      UNKNOWN
      That didn't take long :(
       
    28. Jazzer

      Jazzer Member Benefactor Hall of Fame

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      UK
      Tinnitus Since:
      1/1995
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Noise
      ‘Boobs’ - did somebody mention real live “BOOBS?”

      You know I was never properly weaned !!
      xx
       
    29. Snake
      Scared

      Snake Member

      Tinnitus Since:
      08/2011
      Cause of Tinnitus:
      Long term playing computer games on headphones.
      They have to if they want clients from here, at least a little bit. Also rumored EUR ~2500 based on MuteButton price is closer to PLN 11.000 than PLN 16.000.

      I have had tinnitus for 8 years and spent the last 5 years locked up in my room at home, running away from everything and everyone. Being socially withdrawn, isolated and alienated. I'm not so optimistic that everything would change after the Neuromod / Lenire treatment, tinnitus will probably still be there, and there is also the possibility of tinnitus worsening too. But at least I want to be able to relax, work from home and meet with people in quiet places like, I don't know, the forest, without the constant fear that some dog will bark there out of nowhere destroying my ears and skyrocketing my tinnitus. I don't want to hear this noise...

      I'm heartbroken and I have tears in my eyes everyday, I'm literally fighting to stay alive even if everyone sees that I'm doing nothing, just lying on my bed. I need help but I don't know if Lenire will be it. I need genuine reviews from people that I know have severe tinnitus. If that happens, well then I'll be aboard the hype train.

      But deep in my heart I don't think that it will work, I just can't after all of the disappointments in the past (and present). I'd like to be proven wrong :(
       
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    30. spedgas
      Gloomy

      spedgas Member Benefactor

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      I think @JohnAdams must have me blocked. He never responds to my criticism of his posts on this thread. Too bad.
       
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